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Posted by Sigismund on July 25, 2009, at 1:13:39
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Phil, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 1:05:53
There's nothing odd about wanting to experiment with OTC drugs.
It just suggests an attractive naivity that one might think it worth while, like you went to sleep some time before 1965, and woke up and, horrified by the outcome, decided you wanted to feel different.Quite frankly I would like to experiment with some non-OTC drugs as we speak, but, knowing the outcome, I will refrain, not for long but at least for now.
Posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 1:15:13
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Phil, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 1:05:53
You're awesome deneb.
Phil
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 2:32:31
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Deneb, posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 1:15:13
I've decided not to experiment with the OTC drugs. Most people have had bad experiences on them.
It is not a good idea to mix DXM with SSRIs. You can get serotonin syndrome.
You can get hallucinations with Benadryl, but I just don't know what the interactions would be like with my meds. It is uncharted territory. I better not risk it.
Same with the Gravol.
I also don't have enough alone time to experiment on these drugs. I wouldn't want to start freaking out in front of my parents.
My Dad doesn't go to bed until about 4am and the last person to leave the house is at about 2pm. My Mom comes home at about 7:30 pm. That is not enough time to go tripping.
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 7:44:53
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Deneb, posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 1:15:13
> You're awesome deneb.
I agree.
- Scott
Posted by Tabitha on July 25, 2009, at 11:36:39
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Phil, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 1:05:53
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> It's OK, I'm not upset. I don't mean to make others concerned about me. I just thought I was asking a question. Maybe I just don't understand. I don't want to harm myself. That is why I ask the question.
>Hi Deneb, I've had the same reaction as Phil at times. Maybe I can help explain this a bit. I have had a hard time figuring out if it's something we could discuss without someone getting a PBC, so I haven't said anything. But, so far so good, so I'll try to add my thoughts.
I've been confused by your intent with these topics, too. Do you really not understand the risks of mixing alcohol & drugs with meds, and of using alcohol & drugs when you already tend to have suicidal impulses? It's almost difficult to believe you'd need someone to explain that to you, given the amount of time you spend on psych med support groups and the amount of reading you do. You've read the archives about the suicides here, and I think you'll notice they involved people struggling with meds & substance abuse.
So when I see you say "I think I'll take up drinking", or "I think I'll use some MJ", etc, it's hard to believe you are not aware of the reaction you'll get from folks. The reaction is naturally "Oh, no! That's so dangerous! I have to convince her not to do that!" And several people jump in with that type of reply.
Now there's nothing wrong with that, in fact that's what the board is here for. But when it's repeated over and over, it starts to feel like it's, well, a game or something? I'll answer one, then come back, all worried, to see what you've decided to do. Then you always answer with "it's ok everyone, I won't do it". A bit later, it's another variant of the same. So I feel sort of suckered by the whole thing, like I got hooked in to reacting with worry & caring for something that wasn't really real.
Now I understand from your perspective, maybe you think you're just asking an innocent question. But it doesn't feel that way from my side. And I'd think from the reactions you get, you'd start to understand that these questions are provoking a pretty strong reaction in folks, and they can be perceived as manipulations or threats.
I would guess that the underlying motivation here isn't really to scare & upset people. I assume it's just your way of getting attention. It works, and you always get quite a few replies. The problem is, over time people get burnt out on having their panic buttons pushed.
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 12:20:37
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Deneb, posted by Tabitha on July 25, 2009, at 11:36:39
Hi.
Tabitha, you did a nice job here. I don't see a PBC in your immediate future (I hope).
Deneb, one of the things that I like most about you is your ability to keep an open mind and make adjustments along the way. You learn fast. I suspect you will understand what Tabitha and Phil have said, and will consider these things seriously and in the spirit of goodwill that they were offered.
Sometimes, I think that you are just thinking out loud, and not necessarily crying out for attention or approval. Other times, I am not so sure. You do seem to know the answers to most of your own issues and questions, though.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20090714/msgs/908445.html
Perhaps it would be useful to describe to your counselor your interactions with people on Psycho-Babble. I think you would want to include the concerns that have been voiced by people who are concerned about your welfare. You could even print out and bring with you some of the posts that you feel are important.
Keep being Deneb. You are worth caring about.
- Scott
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> Hi Deneb, I've had the same reaction as Phil at times. Maybe I can help explain this a bit. I have had a hard time figuring out if it's something we could discuss without someone getting a PBC, so I haven't said anything. But, so far so good, so I'll try to add my thoughts.
>
> I've been confused by your intent with these topics, too. Do you really not understand the risks of mixing alcohol & drugs with meds, and of using alcohol & drugs when you already tend to have suicidal impulses? It's almost difficult to believe you'd need someone to explain that to you, given the amount of time you spend on psych med support groups and the amount of reading you do. You've read the archives about the suicides here, and I think you'll notice they involved people struggling with meds & substance abuse.
>
> So when I see you say "I think I'll take up drinking", or "I think I'll use some MJ", etc, it's hard to believe you are not aware of the reaction you'll get from folks. The reaction is naturally "Oh, no! That's so dangerous! I have to convince her not to do that!" And several people jump in with that type of reply.
>
> Now there's nothing wrong with that, in fact that's what the board is here for. But when it's repeated over and over, it starts to feel like it's, well, a game or something? I'll answer one, then come back, all worried, to see what you've decided to do. Then you always answer with "it's ok everyone, I won't do it". A bit later, it's another variant of the same. So I feel sort of suckered by the whole thing, like I got hooked in to reacting with worry & caring for something that wasn't really real.
>
> Now I understand from your perspective, maybe you think you're just asking an innocent question. But it doesn't feel that way from my side. And I'd think from the reactions you get, you'd start to understand that these questions are provoking a pretty strong reaction in folks, and they can be perceived as manipulations or threats.
>
> I would guess that the underlying motivation here isn't really to scare & upset people. I assume it's just your way of getting attention. It works, and you always get quite a few replies. The problem is, over time people get burnt out on having their panic buttons pushed.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 12:22:03
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Deneb, posted by Tabitha on July 25, 2009, at 11:36:39
> I've been confused by your intent with these topics, too. Do you really not understand the risks of mixing alcohol & drugs with meds, and of using alcohol & drugs when you already tend to have suicidal impulses? It's almost difficult to believe you'd need someone to explain that to you, given the amount of time you spend on psych med support groups and the amount of reading you do. You've read the archives about the suicides here, and I think you'll notice they involved people struggling with meds & substance abuse.
No, I didn't think there was anything to risk really with alcohol. I just needed to be careful not to drink too much or else I might get addicted or something. I never thought about it being dangerous because of suicide. I'm not suicidal so I am fine. Those people who committed suicide were probably out of control with drugs. I'm not. I only ever drink a max of 2 drinks a day.
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> So when I see you say "I think I'll take up drinking", or "I think I'll use some MJ", etc, it's hard to believe you are not aware of the reaction you'll get from folks. The reaction is naturally "Oh, no! That's so dangerous! I have to convince her not to do that!" And several people jump in with that type of reply.Well I am drinking now, but it is responsible. I'm only drinking at night and at
most 2 drinks a night. Practically everyone drinks, even Dr. Bob. It's safe as long as you're responsible about it. I also believe MJ is a safe drug. I've read that no one has died from smoking pot. Besides, I don't even have access to MJ, just legal herbs to vaporize. The legal herbs are 100% legal. No one needs to convince me not to do anything.>
> Now there's nothing wrong with that, in fact that's what the board is here for. But when it's repeated over and over, it starts to feel like it's, well, a game or something? I'll answer one, then come back, all worried, to see what you've decided to do. Then you always answer with "it's ok everyone, I won't do it". A bit later, it's another variant of the same. So I feel sort of suckered by the whole thing, like I got hooked in to reacting with worry & caring for something that wasn't really real.Sorry it feels that way. I don't intend to do this. :-(
>
> Now I understand from your perspective, maybe you think you're just asking an innocent question. But it doesn't feel that way from my side. And I'd think from the reactions you get, you'd start to understand that these questions are provoking a pretty strong reaction in folks, and they can be perceived as manipulations or threats.
>
> I would guess that the underlying motivation here isn't really to scare & upset people. I assume it's just your way of getting attention. It works, and you always get quite a few replies. The problem is, over time people get burnt out on having their panic buttons pushed.I just like sharing my life with the world. It is nice when people read my posts. I don't mean to upset people. There is no need to panic.
I'm sorry. I thought I was really doing well. I wasn't mentioning wanting to die or anything. Maybe I just really don't get it.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 12:34:37
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Tabitha, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 12:22:03
I'm thinking about this and although I don't think I would post provocative posts to get attention, but might be what I am doing nonetheless.
I think I post a variety of post. On social right now I have some light-hearted posts. One talking about my tickling experience, thanking babblers and one talking about something cute Dr. Bob did. However none of these posts got any replies.
I think maybe people may be inadvertently reinforcing certain posts from me. I think I do like attention. I like when people respond to my posts. I don't want to upset people though, but maybe I subconsciously learn to post in a way that attracts the most attention.
Now that I am aware my drug posts are hurting people, I will make an effort to stop them.
Sorry if I upset people.
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 12:51:07
In reply to Wanting attention, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 12:34:37
Hi Deneb.
> Now that I am aware my drug posts are hurting people, I will make an effort to stop them.
>
> Sorry if I upset people.Speaking for myself, I am not upset by your drug posts. I just get concerned that you might hurt yourself by accident. I am not judgmental, though.
Why are you interested in self-medicating?
- Scott
Posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 12:54:12
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Tabitha, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 12:22:03
Frankly deneb you aren't getting it. Meds and alcohol should never be mixed. Alcohol even two drinks is a cns depressant.
Whether Dr Bob drinks or why is really not something to base your lifestyle on. Dr Bob could be a blazing alcoholic for all you know.
Doctors have some of the highest substance abuse rates.When I was a kid my friends and I were always walking through pastures and such. There was always one that would yell SNAKE. We would all jump around, etc. He would do it several times.
We told him one day you're going to yell snake and we'll blow it off. But there really is a snake and one of us gets bit and spends months in the hospital.
If you keep yelling snake and 2 minutes later say I'm OK now, people sooner or later will get tired of it.
When you yell snake again and there really is a snake, you'll be blown off. What are you going to do then?
Frankly, I will no longer post to you. Like I said, I'm no professional. You need a sharp therapist now and not September.
I like you, I want the best for you and everyone on this forum. I do not mean to hurt your feelings or make you sad but you're a grown woman and you must take control of your destiny.
Take care
Posted by hyperfocus on July 25, 2009, at 14:10:31
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 2:32:31
I understand what has been said here and it's not my intention to invalidate or challenge what you guys are saying. But I think somebody should mention that we're all in the same boat here. Deneb has issues - she'd be the first one to tell you that. I got issues too - much worse than hers. I daresay everybody on PB has issues, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
So to me telling somebody that they're manipulative or that you won't post to them until they get therapy, is hurtful and unfair. I know you guys are trying to help but I wouldn't want somebody to say that me on PB. I get enough negativity in real life. To me being on PB means being sharing and supportive and sometimes that means just accepting people as they are, issues and all, even if they might upset you sometimes. I know I upset a lot of people with my behaviour in RL but I really can't help it. We all gotta help each other out to get to that place we all want to be.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:00:14
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Deneb, posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 12:54:12
I feel really bad.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:21:40
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:00:14
Help, I feel like doing bad things. I am very close to doing it. I started the process, need to stop.
Don't worry, I promise I won't die.
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 16:27:52
In reply to Re: We're all in the same boat, posted by hyperfocus on July 25, 2009, at 14:10:31
You are right.
- Scott
> I understand what has been said here and it's not my intention to invalidate or challenge what you guys are saying. But I think somebody should mention that we're all in the same boat here. Deneb has issues - she'd be the first one to tell you that. I got issues too - much worse than hers. I daresay everybody on PB has issues, otherwise we wouldn't be here.
>
> So to me telling somebody that they're manipulative or that you won't post to them until they get therapy, is hurtful and unfair. I know you guys are trying to help but I wouldn't want somebody to say that me on PB. I get enough negativity in real life. To me being on PB means being sharing and supportive and sometimes that means just accepting people as they are, issues and all, even if they might upset you sometimes. I know I upset a lot of people with my behaviour in RL but I really can't help it. We all gotta help each other out to get to that place we all want to be.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:29:59
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:21:40
I think I'm going to be OK, but it comes and goes. I just took one.
Posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 16:36:01
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:00:14
> I feel really bad.
I apologize if I contributed to your feeling bad. That was not my intention. I am pretty sure that everyone here likes you and wants only the best for you. I know I do. It is sometimes very difficult to want to help, but not know the best way to go about it.
I hope you can settle down and allow your mood to stabilize. I know you can do it. You might still feel bad, but at least you will be able to process things more clearly.
- Scott
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:38:13
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:29:59
I'm sorry, I did it again. I shouldn't have written about it. I hate myself.
Posted by Sigismund on July 25, 2009, at 17:06:21
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 16:38:13
So your desire for attention has come to grief on the shoals of our need to maintain the hypocrisies?
I'd just pretend it's not happening. It's very nearly not real; maybe not at all.
Certainly nothing for anyone to worry about.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 17:45:48
In reply to Re: We're all in the same boat, posted by hyperfocus on July 25, 2009, at 14:10:31
Thanks for you post HF. It really means a lot.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 17:49:29
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » Deneb, posted by SLS on July 25, 2009, at 16:36:01
You don't need to apologize Scott. You didn't upset me. I think it was the feeling of rejection that did it. I am very sensitive to rejection. It really triggers me. The feeling of rejection, exclusion and being ignored are my big triggers.
Posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 17:57:56
In reply to Re: One provocative question after another » SLS, posted by Deneb on July 25, 2009, at 17:49:29
I'm all better now. The 40 mg propranolol, extra 0.50 mg Risperdal and support from Babblers helped me get out of my "episode".
I can't imagine wanting to harm myself now. Now I just wish I could stop the impulse to post bad thoughts in the beginning.
Posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 18:25:17
In reply to Re: We're all in the same boat, posted by hyperfocus on July 25, 2009, at 14:10:31
No, no, no, no, no!! What I said was please put therapy as a very high priority, and, I'm not posting to you anymore.
Do you think it's helpful for the masses here to hear one person threaten suicide on a regular basis? Thus, my snake story. She's hurting herself.
I just truly attempted suicide and spent 4 days in a psych ward. Do I get a say in this?
No matter your hardships or dx, babble ain't your daddy. Sooner or later you have to step up to the plate, get help, and stop this nonsense.
I think, not sure, that deneb has been warned before on those posts. But she just starts again.
I've been gone for a bit but I needed babbles help again so I'm back.
I said I just attempted suicide, didn't mention my brother has terminal cancer or that I may very well lose my job for time missed due to psych issues. But I got great support which is what babble was designed to do and it was appreciated.
Frankly, deneb breaks a fingernail and here come the troops to fill every wish and go there, there it's OK. THAT hasn't helped one bit. I know sometimes when I'm making excuses and keep repeating harmful behaviors I won't till someone confronts me and says STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who's your friend, the enabler or the one that's willing to put your friendship on the line to help.I'll be leaving soon. The double standards on this board are still here and it's one of the worst moderated boards I've ever seen.
Just like dozens of other really good folks over the years, they just couldn't take it anymore.
Not because of deneb, but the unfair treatment and blocks because you were in Bob's radar.F*ck it.
As I said before I'm not writing to hurt denebs feelings but if you can't try to talk sense to someone without them pulling the S card everytime
then my help is gone. I refuse to be manipulated when I'm having the hardest time of my life.Phil be gone
Posted by gobbledygook on July 25, 2009, at 20:07:05
In reply to Re: We're all in the same boat » hyperfocus, posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 18:25:17
> Phil be gone
Phil be here...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfC6CCtZjxk
Posted by HyperFocus on July 25, 2009, at 20:52:37
In reply to Re: We're all in the same boat » hyperfocus, posted by Phil on July 25, 2009, at 18:25:17
Sorry if I said anything to make you upset Phil. I know you're having a real hard time and I hope you stay. This was the only place I could turn to when I was suicidal. It's got a lot of flaws but it's still a great place.
All of us can post stuff that may unintentionally upset somebody else going through bad times. I've also experienced being triggered by something I read and I did feel upset and angry and probably would have got kicked out of here if I'd hit the Submit button.
Seems like we're all having a hard time - you, me, Deneb, everybody.
I would send you a hug but guys don't hug so...how about an Obama fist-bump ;)
Posted by Phil on July 26, 2009, at 6:49:32
In reply to Re: We're all in the same boat » Phil, posted by HyperFocus on July 25, 2009, at 20:52:37
hyper, Nothing you did. I'm getting off Pristiq today. It's made me way aggressive, mixed states, etc.
I'm unwell. lol
I sent out an email to 3 long time friends and my two brothers blathering on about this disease.
I woke up this morning thinking, please tell me I didn't do that. Maybe I ought to blog about it. I dunno.
I may have been a little heavy handed with deneb but I think I restrained myself pretty well considering my own circumstances.
Fist bump
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