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Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:27
Just venting here!!!
I am so tired of hearing all of this crap about the end of times being 2012. I don't want to hear what the Aztecians, Mayans, Nostrodamus or other psychics have predicted.
I have enough issues trying to live on a daily basis without worrying about whether or not we are going to exist in 3 years.
It's hard enough seeing what the people in the world are doing to each other knowing that these events are part of their predictions.My dark place is dark enough. "Hoping" that I will pull out of this condition is hard enough. I want to live a to see my children grow, I want to be able to go back to work and be productive, I want to be able to travel again and not be afraid to go to the grocery store, I want my hubby and I to plan out our future and grow old together without one more dark cloud looming over my fate.
I am a very spiritual (not religious) person. I am in fact an "ordained minister". Religious studies have been one of my hobbies for years. My dream was to open a spiritual center of healing. I can't believe how much this condition (severe gad and agoraphobia) has also stolen my ability to cope and be excited with whatever my future may hold. Why am I trying so hard to fight this disease if we are all going to destroy each other in a few years anyways.
Wonder what would happen if I just stopped all my meds. Gave my body time to cleanse and heal on its own and see where I'm at. How do I know that all of these ssri's and other meds that I have taken have not made my condition worse? Totally screwed up the chemicals in my brain maybe instead of making them better.
And no, I don't sit and watch all of these shows on the "History" channel, but I see the advertisement. And before, in my normal days, even if I read or heard something like that, I would just blow it off. Now I have become so super sensitive to the subjects of death and dying and haven't been able to funtion outside of my house for over a year now. I'm so tired of it. I feel so useless and unmotivated.
This is so not who I was. I HATE IT, HATE IT, HATE IT!!!! I want to live, and I mean really live, so whats the use if we are going to start destroying each other.
I'm sure that some of you have heard this one. "That we are not human beings trying to be spiritual, but that we are spiritual beings trying to be human."
I try not to watch the news to much, but because I have a Jewish side of the family, I have been keeping up with what is going on between Israel and Haamas. Where did our hearts go, where did our compassion go? Why is it so much easier for people to feel hate and destruction?
Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Bin Laden, why do these people feel the need to wipe each other out instead of just accepting people for who they are and what their personal beliefs are?
This world is so out of balance. Mother earth does not need us to survive. She existed long before the human race ever did, and will exist long afterwards. I am beginnng to feel like she is fixing to cleanse this earth and start over.
Don't know why I am feeling overly sensitive today. I haven't taken any lexapro for two weeks and I was only on the trazodone for 5 days and have been off since Jan. 12th. I have just been depressed and crying all day. Can't seem to get a grip.
My husband and son play in a band and because not only do I love to watch them play, but I try very hard to appear as normal and as stable as possible when I am around my children. It was ridiculous that I had to take several zanax's just to get out of the house, because I didn't want to let my son down. I was sitting there watching them play, but all I could think about was getting back home.
I am just so done with this!!! No, not suicidal, just tired of all of this. What's even more aggravating is that I am not sure what triggered this GAD. Just please G-d, help me make this go away. I am of the belief that the events in our lives happen to us for a reason, that these are our own personal test that we or G-d placed upon ourselves before we ever came to this earthly plane to learn life lessons.
Although I am still trying to figure out why I placed this particular test on myself, I am sure that once I figure it out, I'll come out of this a stronger person and will be able to help others going through the same issues. (I understand that we all have our own personal beliefs and these are just mine). I am sincerely not trying to offend anybody. I just wonder sometimes that maybe some of us with these conditions are more in touch with the spiritual side of the universe and that is why we feel and react the way we do to things.
Take it for what it is worth, but I had a psychic (a very reputable one here in Atlanta) tell me that my soul had been here so many times, that it had become very sensitive to all of the imbalance here. She also told me that I've learned all that I need to from here and that this would be the last time I would come back. Thank G-d!!! 'Cause I'm tired. I'd rather be someones spiritual guide on the other side than come back here again. LOL!!!
I know that this may sound like bull to alot of you and please know that I do not take what psychics say as gospel, but it was interesting to hear.
I apologize, but I have been on a rollercoaster all day. Have been trying to find a way to cleanse all of these meds out of my body quicker as I am tired of the brain zaps and the feeling of electrical currents going down my arms and hands. Seems like anxieties are worse today and I am still trying to figure out a way to get myself to the grocery store.
Also, please keep in mind that I am just ranting right now and mean or negative responses are not needed. Normally I would not be like this.
Thanks for listening though.
Namaste'
Courtney
Posted by linkadge on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:27
In reply to 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 17, 2009, at 15:08:03
I also don't think we have much time left, but I kind of cycle from being more or less concerned.
Its only a matter of time IMHO, till neuclear technology gets into the wrong hands.
I don't plan on bringing children into this world for this very reason.Aynhow, I just try to live each day to its fullest and hope that somobody smart will find the solutions we need.
Linkadge
Posted by fleeting flutterby on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:27
In reply to 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 17, 2009, at 15:08:03
> Just venting here!!!
>
> I am so tired of hearing all of this crap about the end of times being 2012. I don't want to hear what the Aztecians, Mayans, Nostrodamus or other psychics have predicted.<<<
----Ummm... NO NO NO (not yelling at you personally-- just makes me upset how the Christian community has taken an insightful thing from the Mayan's and made it bad.-- argh!) I was at Chichen-itza last summer and talked with a native there-- He said the Mayan's proclaimed 2012 would be the end of the current cycle,(there are 5 and we are in the third now) and that a new cycle would begin-- for all things. No where does it say that it is the end of the world. The Christians that decided to read it their own way, decided to make it "the end of the world"-- because for some reason-- Christians can't be content enough with this wonderful planet-- they have to always be looking for "the end". What is it with religions and the obession with death? with the end of the world?? seems to me humans should embrace this most wonderful place and just be thankful daily that they are here.(IMO) I so treasure the earth and don't concern myself with the "end"-- if it comes there probably won't be anything to do about it anyway.
> My dark place is dark enough. "Hoping" that I will pull out of this condition is hard enough. I want to live a to see my children grow,<<-----If it's only up to the world not ending-- I'm most certain you will see them grow.
>> My dream was to open a spiritual center of healing.<<---- Oh that sounds like a lovely dream--one that could be very possible.
>>I can't believe how much this condition (severe gad and agoraphobia) has also stolen my ability to cope and be excited with whatever my future may hold.<<---- Oh, I'm so sorry you are having a rough go of it. :o(
>> Wonder what would happen if I just stopped all my meds. Gave my body time to cleanse and heal on its own and see where I'm at. How do I know that all of these ssri's and other meds that I have taken have not made my condition worse? Totally screwed up the chemicals in my brain maybe instead of making them better.<<----- well, that could be possible. Have you ever looked at those young men that have gone on shooting rampages.... they only became overly violent AFTER having taken medication(NOT before they ever took meds)..... sure makes many people wonder (said she-- who happens to be on Lexapro)
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> I'm sure that some of you have heard this one. "That we are not human beings trying to be spiritual, but that we are spiritual beings trying to be human."<<-----I've not heard that-- it does sound applicable-- as long as it doesn't cause us to be unappreciative, disrespectful and arrogant in regards to all other creatures that we share the earth with.
> I try not to watch the news to much, but because I have a Jewish side of the family, I have been keeping up with what is going on between Israel and Haamas.<<---- I also don't watch the news much-- too depressing and also slanted. I hope your family will be safe.
>>Where did our hearts go, where did our compassion go? Why is it so much easier for people to feel hate and destruction?<<
---- I think there has always been some kind of fighting all through history-- compassion didn't just recently go.(IMO)... it's still around in small amounts-- all over, in every country. It's easier to hate and destroy because it takes less thought-- aggression is a very immature emotion.... we as humankind overall-- are quite immature.(sadly so)
> This world is so out of balance.<<
--- Yes, I agree. Humans Have so disrespected the earth and it's creatures-- it would serve us right if we were "kicked" off.
> Don't know why I am feeling overly sensitive today. I haven't taken any lexapro for two weeks and I was only on the trazodone for 5 days and have been off since Jan. 12th. I have just been depressed and crying all day. Can't seem to get a grip.<<----- oh a Lexapro sister! ;o) your body could be going through a detoxification process. I think it could help if you exercise every day, and do one thing each day that you feel good about-- maybe reading, baking, drawing-- heck, sometimes I even color in coloring books-- it can be very relaxing and gives me a sense of control.
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> My husband and son play in a band and because not only do I love to watch them play, but I try very hard to appear as normal and as stable as possible when I am around my children. It was ridiculous that I had to take several zanax's just to get out of the house, because I didn't want to let my son down.<<---- Hey, I don't think that's ridiculous-- what ever works. You sound like a very wonderful mother.
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> Take it for what it is worth, but I had a psychic (a very reputable one here in Atlanta) tell me that my soul had been here so many times, that it had become very sensitive to all of the imbalance here. She also told me that I've learned all that I need to from here and that this would be the last time I would come back. Thank G-d!!! 'Cause I'm tired. I'd rather be someones spiritual guide on the other side than come back here again. LOL!!!----- that all sounds Cool!
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> I apologize, but I have been on a rollercoaster all day. Have been trying to find a way to cleanse all of these meds out of my body quicker as I am tired of the brain zaps and the feeling of electrical currents going down my arms and hands. Seems like anxieties are worse today and I am still trying to figure out a way to get myself to the grocery store.<<------ one day at a time.... sorry things can't improve quicker. Inner peace takes time and much effort to achieve.
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> Also, please keep in mind that I am just ranting right now and mean or negative responses are not needed. Normally I would not be like this.
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> Thanks for listening though.
>
-------- ranting is quite all right.... I think it's like getting all the mud off! ;o)
You are welcome.flutterby-mandy
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:28
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World??? » Cseagraves, posted by fleeting flutterby on January 17, 2009, at 17:02:12
Dearest Flutterfly,
Thank you so much for your response. Tears poured down my face (in a good way)when I read your post. I've been through withdrawals enough, so I should be used to this, but it was nice to see someone else who gets it. Lexapro sis? Yes, I guess we are. :-)
And now that I have been through every ssri, and having to go through all of the side effects going on and withdrawals coming off, I'm just tired. My next med will be parnate in a couple of weeks, so as I'm sure you know, I have to be clean of meds for two weeks before taking it. THIS SHOULD BE FUN! YEAH!!!!
My poor hubby doesn't know if he should try to hug me or if he should leave me alone. He feels kind of helpless. Unfortunately, I'm not sure what would be better either.
Very interesting about speaking with the Mayan. Just out of curiosity, what are our 4th and 5th cycles supposed to be and how long is a cycle? I am wondering what each cycle is supposed to represent? Wonder what happens at the end of the 5th? Might be something interesting for me to read up on.
Although I am Buddist, (and since we can agree on how the christian faith misinterprets scriptures)in the Jewish concept of a messiah it was never actually about a person who was suppose to rise and bring forth worldly peace. Jesus, who never, ever denounced his faith and was considered to be a great rabbi and prophet, was speaking out for the rights of his people.
His concern was that the Jewish High Priests in the Temples were "getting slack" so to say, when it came to Jewish law and tradition. Jesus was actually trying to get the Jewish people back in line with the old ways. He was never trying to creat a new religion. (Please before anyone starts fussing at me about this, look it up, it's fact. i.e. The Dead Sea Scrolls) That's why the Christian hierarchy won't even acknowledge them. It would shake the very foundations of Christianity to it's core and that belief system would fall apart.
Anywoo, where I was going with that was that the concept of a "messiah" was not that it is an actual person (although some Jews do believe it is), but that it is something within us all, in our hearts, as humans. We are all the "Messiah" and it is up to us to learn how to bring peace.
My opinion is that our greatest test here on earth is that we all learn to love regardless of our differences and accept each other as we are. If we could find a way to do that, then wouldn't it make since that we would live in a peaceful world, which is what the purpose of the "messiah" is? Unfortunately, our world is failing this test.
-----I've not heard that-- it does sound applicable-- as long as it doesn't cause us to be unappreciative, disrespectful and arrogant in regards to all other creatures that we share the earth with.
Maybe if we could see that we all are spiritual beings and that life and earth have to be in balance to work, then we would understand better how to appreciate and respect nature and all that it stands for. (Starting to sound like a flower child huh?)
---- Oh, I'm so sorry you are having a rough go of it. :o(
Thank you - like I said, today is just a bad day. I am normally not like this, so I know its the meds. Tomorrow will be better. I think that I am more mentally worn out this time rather than physically.---- I also don't watch the news much-- too depressing and also slanted. I hope your family will be safe.
I just happen to catch a report on CNN about the children who are caught on both sides of this war and suffering miserably. My heart just broke for them and all of this because of peoples different religious beliefs.
---- I think there has always been some kind of fighting all through history-- compassion didn't just recently go.(IMO)... it's still around in small amounts-- all over, in every country. It's easier to hate and destroy because it takes less thought-- aggression is a very immature emotion.... we as humankind overall-- are quite immature.(sadly so)
You would think that after the thousands and thousands of years at war, mankind would get it. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that it is us and only us who can bring the peace.
You can search all through history and no where can you find that the Jews have ever started a war. They just happen to be very good at finishing them.
----- oh a Lexapro sister! ;o) your body could be going through a detoxification process. I think it could help if you exercise every day, and do one thing each day that you feel good about-- maybe reading, baking, drawing-- heck, sometimes I even color in coloring books-- it can be very relaxing and gives me a sense of control.
You are so great!!! I thought I was the only one who still liked to color in coloring books to make myself feel better. LOL!!! (We should start a club) HEE HEE
My hubby says that I have major control issues when it comes to this GAD and that THAT is part of my problem. Thank you for reminding me that its one day at a time and hopefully "inner peace" will find its way back soon.
I think most of the mud is gone now and I'm sure, I pray, that tomorrow will be better. I just lit up about 15 candles all over my living room and I think I'll start a fire in the fire place. (And go get my coloring book and pencils) ;-)
You are a good person.
Namaste'
Courtney
Posted by Phillipa on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:28
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World??? » Cseagraves, posted by fleeting flutterby on January 17, 2009, at 17:02:12
I do take you seriously and understand you're in a lot of pain right now. And did you stop all the meds cold turkey? That often leads to severe withdrawal. Doing under doctor's supervision is what I'd recommend and maybe then trying to let a good doc see what your're baseline is? It's a thought anyway. Didn't know about the world ending in 2012 and that's something I'm not going to worry about as I'm also an fellow anxiety sufferer. And I also don't watch the news was acturally told not to by a doctor. I'm also spiritual in nature. Question all things which to me is healthy. Best of luck. Please don't suffer in silence. Love Phillipa
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:28
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by linkadge on January 17, 2009, at 16:14:04
Hi Link,
Aynhow, I just try to live each day to its fullest and hope that somobody smart will find the solutions we need.
Yes, I think we should always live our lives to it's fullest. I just need to get over this agoraphobia so that I can get my *ss back out there and do it.
I think that WE are already smart enough to find the solutions. WE just need to find someone who is open enough to listen. WE already know how we should be treating each others as human beings. WE are not born with the instinct to kill. That is a learned trait. We ARE all born with the ability to love unconditionally, until someone else teaches us differently.
Hopefully, one day we will all get there. ;-) !!
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:28
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Phillipa on January 17, 2009, at 20:30:19
Hey Phillipa,
I weened myself very slowly off the Lexapro, but the trazodone made me so sick that the pdoc said to quit taking them immediately. Stopped it on the 12th. I thought I had prepared myself enough, but today just seemed unexpectantly worse.
I promise that I will never suffer in silence as long as I have my friends here!!! ;-).
Think I'm gonna go light some candles and color for awhile.
Thanks for the love,
CS
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:28
In reply to 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 17, 2009, at 15:08:03
I like the R.E.M. lyric:
"It's the end of the world as we know it."
This happens each second.
Incredibly optimistic.
- Scott
Posted by yxibow on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:28
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by SLS on January 17, 2009, at 21:49:43
> I like the R.E.M. lyric:
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> "It's the end of the world as we know it."
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> This happens each second.
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> Incredibly optimistic.
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> - Scott
Or World Leader Pretend. Curious, REM was one of the first groups I listened to besides U2.On a more somber level, I think that Everybody Hurts is a song to encourage people to believe that despite what you think, not everyone is actually always happy even if they seem all smiles and without affliction, and not to let go of the world.
2012 -- Well lets see, London will be having the Olympics. Obama sweeps a second term and Palin buys Russia on Ebay with the budget of Alaska. Plugin electric cars are just beginning to come into fashion. The worldwide recession has started to thaw. Iran's nuclear reactors are secretly destroyed. The UN monitoring mission to Iraq starts to begin. Yes, storms, freezing temperatures, and hot spots are seen around the world.
I mean anything is a scenario.
But why create scenarios if they are just going to hurt you? Its like poking yourself with a bobby pin to see if you're alive. Jan's comment about the news is something that I've encountered in therapy. Okay, we turn on the news, or these days read our local paper online, but is it necessary to read every horrible thing and make what we perceive as our misery worse?
My head is always full of scenarios, self-created disasters -- global warming, but at some point.. I'm not Atlas, I don't hold up the world. I have to focus on my life and my recovery, to the best of my ability, yes, with my passion for the environment but remembering that I can't save the world all the time, I have to save myself first to be strong enough to.
And there's good news too. I'm surprised nobody that I know in NY or anyone has ever mentioned the "Miracle on the Hudson" yet. The skilled pilot who made what is basically considered almost impossible in aeronautics, a dead stick glide of a jet plane on water.Let us toast to those things.
-- Jay
Posted by ihatedrugs on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era » SLS, posted by yxibow on January 18, 2009, at 0:27:43
Human kind has always had a deep preocupation with the end of times. But catastrophes are not inherent of this milenium. All centuries have been plagued with all sorts of misery, plagues, hunger, wars, natural disasters, ruthless dictators and so much more. WE do not belong to a special club of misery to come just because we happen to live in this particular generation. The end of the world has always been around. In fact, my great grandmother was so certain that the world would more than likely end before a man could set foot on the moon because she actually never believe it would happen and she died before 1969.
I guess my point is that we need to focus on the centuries of example of the resilience of the human spirit. Embrace the good with the bad and focus on the positive. A beautiful child's smile, or a faithful dog following his loving owner/friend. The blooming of flowers, and the sound of the rain. These miraculous events happen every day and we tend to overlook them while we focus on events no one knows about or has the answers. We are going to be ok. And you will get through this rough patch just fine. And will be able to enjoy your family without having to put up a face or faking contentment. Your and all of our brains are actually wired to feel happiness we may have some malfunctions but with the right treatment life will feel once again promising.
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era » SLS, posted by yxibow on January 18, 2009, at 0:27:43
> 2012 -- Well lets see, London will be having the Olympics. Obama sweeps a second term and Palin buys Russia on Ebay with the budget of Alaska. Plugin electric cars are just beginning to come into fashion. The worldwide recession has started to thaw. Iran's nuclear reactors are secretly destroyed. The UN monitoring mission to Iraq starts to begin. Yes, storms, freezing temperatures, and hot spots are seen around the world.
LOL
Jay, you really got me!
> And there's good news too...
> Let us toast to those things.Here, here!
- Scott
Posted by desolationrower on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by linkadge on January 17, 2009, at 16:14:04
The particle accelerator in switzerland may have already created a black hole. once it gets enough mass it will swallow the earth.
-d/r
Posted by SLS on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by desolationrower on January 18, 2009, at 4:38:31
> The particle accelerator in switzerland may have already created a black hole. once it gets enough mass it will swallow the earth.
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> -d/rThen we travel back in time and do it all over again?
- Scott
Posted by linkadge on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:29
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 17, 2009, at 20:32:11
>WE already know how we should be treating each >others as human beings.
Some of us do.
>WE are not born with the instinct to kill.
I believe some of us are.
>That is a learned trait. We ARE all born with >the ability to love unconditionally, until >someone else teaches us differently.
Thats one way to look at it. Children will exhibit selfish and agressive behavior at times even when it is never exhibited by a parent.
Linkadge
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 8:32:41
> >WE already know how we should be treating each >others as human beings.
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> Some of us do.
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> >WE are not born with the instinct to kill.
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> I believe some of us are.
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> >That is a learned trait. We ARE all born with >the ability to love unconditionally, until >someone else teaches us differently.
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> Thats one way to look at it. Children will exhibit selfish and agressive behavior at times even when it is never exhibited by a parent.
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> Linkadge
>There is evidence from studying baboons and chimps that some may have a killer gene. Some of them wage war and also murder those within their ranks. We share a signifcant similar gene pool with them so maybe some of us also have a gene for violence.
Posted by linkadge on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by ihatedrugs on January 18, 2009, at 3:11:18
>Human kind has always had a deep preocupation >with the end of times.
Yes, but it is only now that the capacity to exercise destruction on a mass scale is technologically feasabile.
100 years ago, the powers of madmen were restricted. They needed to gather armies and persuade millions to follow them.
Technology, is unfortuately growing at an unprecediented rate. Computer technology which once filled a room can be held in your hand.
So too, will neuclear technology enivitably become understood by and available to madmen. Thats when you start loosing entire cities and countries to terrorism.
Don't worry if you're past middle age. You will probably mostly be able to live out the rest of your natural life. Its only us young folks who will probably have to live through some sort of appocolypse.
Linkadge
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 8:44:41
> >Human kind has always had a deep preocupation >with the end of times.
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> Yes, but it is only now that the capacity to exercise destruction on a mass scale is technologically feasabile.
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> 100 years ago, the powers of madmen were restricted. They needed to gather armies and persuade millions to follow them.
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> Technology, is unfortuately growing at an unprecediented rate. Computer technology which once filled a room can be held in your hand.
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> So too, will neuclear technology enivitably become understood by and available to madmen. Thats when you start loosing entire cities and countries to terrorism.
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> Don't worry if you're past middle age. You will probably mostly be able to live out the rest of your natural life. Its only us young folks who will probably have to live through some sort of appocolypse.
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> Linkadge
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>Yes and those who follow the messiah will join him in eternal life and bliss.
Posted by linkadge on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by bulldog2 on January 18, 2009, at 9:08:23
>Yes and those who follow the messiah will join >him in eternal life and bliss.
I wish I knew that were true, but I have no way of reaching that conclusion for 100%.
Linkadge
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:30
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era » SLS, posted by yxibow on January 18, 2009, at 0:27:43
Good follow-up Jay.
I don't normally watch the news (was also told not to do that by pdoc). I didn't know for several days that the attacks had started between Israel and Haamas until my aunt called me voicing her concern about some of our relatives.
I should have known better. I got sucked right back into it.
I did also watch the footage of the pilot gliding his plane down onto the Hudson in total awe and amazement. And I am even more impressed with the humbleness he has displayed.
CS
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by ihatedrugs on January 18, 2009, at 3:11:18
HI IHD,
Thank you so much for such a beautiful response!
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by desolationrower on January 18, 2009, at 4:38:31
DS,
Well that just put everything into perspective, didn't it. Don't understand now why I was so worried about all this other stuff!! LOL!!!
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by bulldog2 on January 18, 2009, at 8:40:38
Bulldog,
Then maybe our pdocs should put these apes and chimps on meds huh, instead of experimenting on all of us. Just a thought! LOL!!!
Courtney
Posted by Cseagraves on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 10:26:21
Link,
Since there is no one who can say that anything is 100% on this subject, what you can believe is the goodness within yourself and hopefully the goodness within others.
I wouldn't worry. You will be in a good place no matter where you are.
Courtney
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The End Of The World???, posted by Cseagraves on January 18, 2009, at 11:24:13
> Bulldog,
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> Then maybe our pdocs should put these apes and chimps on meds huh, instead of experimenting on all of us. Just a thought! LOL!!!
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> CourtneyWell we give them much more realistic results..Think of taking meds as a noble experiment for mankind
Posted by bulldog2 on January 19, 2009, at 3:31:31
In reply to Re: 2012 - The beginning of a New Era, posted by linkadge on January 18, 2009, at 10:26:21
> >Yes and those who follow the messiah will join >him in eternal life and bliss.
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> I wish I knew that were true, but I have no way of reaching that conclusion for 100%.
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> LinkadgeIt just has become evident to me that there is something much greater than what we perceive with our five senses and filter thru our minds. There's no way this was an accident as the complexity of the universe shows intelligent design.
When we are experiencing depression or anxiety we are looking inward and that makes it hard to experience the infinite. Practice on quieting your mind and you will begin to experience the infinite. I think some do not understand Christ's message. He meant that we are part of god and god is in everything. Heaven is on earth and everywhere.
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