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Posted by 64bowtie on November 19, 2004, at 23:06:18
What's the difference between cravings and addictions?
Rod
Posted by Susan47 on November 19, 2004, at 23:32:41
In reply to Attractive destruction, posted by 64bowtie on November 19, 2004, at 23:06:18
IMHO a *craving* has a positive connotation attached, and *addiction* has negative one. Like, sometimes I crave Babble and sometimes I addicted to it. I'm addicted when I've been on and can't get off. I crave it before I ever get on. So, crave is the unfulfilled version of addicted.
Should start my own Devil's Dictionary ...
Posted by Susan47 on November 19, 2004, at 23:33:35
In reply to Re: Attractive destruction, posted by Susan47 on November 19, 2004, at 23:32:41
Sorry, 64, just being a total flake. It's an interesting question.
Posted by 64bowtie on November 19, 2004, at 23:44:35
In reply to Re: Attractive destruction, posted by Susan47 on November 19, 2004, at 23:33:35
Posted by justyourlaugh on November 20, 2004, at 0:10:50
In reply to You're my kinda flake I guess (nm) » Susan47, posted by 64bowtie on November 19, 2004, at 23:44:35
dr ,,,
why wouldnt you talk to me in open?
Posted by 64bowtie on November 20, 2004, at 1:24:32
In reply to Re: You're my kinda flake I guess » 64bowtie, posted by justyourlaugh on November 20, 2004, at 0:10:50
Open is a chat room I think, anyway. ...jus that everytime I go there there's no there there! Its 11:25 California time. And I'm signed in!!!
Rod
Posted by jujube on November 20, 2004, at 8:10:15
In reply to Attractive destruction, posted by 64bowtie on November 19, 2004, at 23:06:18
> What's the difference between cravings and addictions?
>
> RodA craving is a fleeting and satisfiable need. An addiction is a persistent and an unsatisfiable need. (e.g., I am "craving" chocolate, so I eat a piece of chocolate, and don't want or need chocolate for days or weeks. On the other hand, I am "addicted" to chocolate, so I eat a piece of chocolate, then another, then another and can't stop.)
Tamara
Posted by Susan47 on November 20, 2004, at 13:04:41
In reply to Re: Attractive destruction » 64bowtie, posted by jujube on November 20, 2004, at 8:10:15
Sounds like we're all in line, so far ... What you thinkin' 64?
Posted by 64bowtie on November 20, 2004, at 15:58:00
In reply to Re: Attractive destruction, posted by Susan47 on November 20, 2004, at 13:04:41
What is different for an addictive consumption is perceived expectation and/or obligation to the person, place, thing, or idea being craved. We set in an image of the results, and we are satisfied momentarily. From AA, one sip is toooo much and awhole bottle's never enough. From OA, one cookie is toooo much and the whole bag of cookies is never enough.
Rod
Posted by Angela2 on November 20, 2004, at 23:14:50
In reply to Attractive destruction, posted by 64bowtie on November 19, 2004, at 23:06:18
When I think of addiction I think of of mentally and physically needing a drug or something. Craving does not destroy you (you don't go through the terrible withdrawal), and you can deal without what ever you are craving.
Posted by Susan47 on November 21, 2004, at 0:56:59
In reply to Re: Attractive destruction, posted by Angela2 on November 20, 2004, at 23:14:50
slower if I were to understand.
Posted by sunny10 on November 22, 2004, at 12:31:38
In reply to Rod I didn't understand that you'd have to go, posted by Susan47 on November 21, 2004, at 0:56:59
you can have a craving for the things that you are addicted to- IF you have an addiction at all.
I think that's what Rod was saying. One person's "too much" is another's "too little", so to speak. I have a craving (a hankering) for a nice glass of Shiraz. I have my glass, have a second- then I've had too much for ME. I am not addicted to alcohol, so the two glasses of wine just gives me a headache. For others, their craving for a single glass of wine eases past two glasses into their addiction, which seems to never be fulfilled. Usually they pass out before they feel "finished" with the drinking.
Did I get it, Rod?
Posted by 64bowtie on November 22, 2004, at 23:46:38
In reply to Re: Rod I didn't understand that you'd have to go, posted by sunny10 on November 22, 2004, at 12:31:38
It's important for you to notice that a single person can have this dichotymous relationship with booze, or gambling, or rock cocain, or (as in my case) cheese cake.
One fork full of cheese cake is always toooo much for me, while at the same time, the whole cheese cake is never enough for me. It may sound wierd unless you grew up around alcoholics. It does relate to the concept of boundaries and my confusion as to where the line could/should be drawn. I've been doing very well with my boundaries now for the past 15 years.
Rod
Posted by Susan47 on November 23, 2004, at 0:53:23
In reply to Same person, conflicted desires » sunny10, posted by 64bowtie on November 22, 2004, at 23:46:38
Rod, good for you for doing well with your boundaries. Someday, I hope I can say that about my boundaries around sex. I don't think I have that same addiction/craving relationship with sex, though, actually, it's more physical contact with a desirable person of the opposite sex. Okay, I have addiction/craving with that, yes. Mm, gotta think about this some more, but what you both are saying is putting a little dent into the brain here ...
Posted by sunny10 on November 23, 2004, at 13:39:24
In reply to Same person, conflicted desires » sunny10, posted by 64bowtie on November 22, 2004, at 23:46:38
oh, yes, I can see that also- thanks for pointing it out.
I'm glad you're doing so well with it!
Congratulations !
Posted by just plain jane on November 23, 2004, at 13:50:13
In reply to Re: Same person, conflicted desires, posted by Susan47 on November 23, 2004, at 0:53:23
for puppies.
I have an addiction to sharing. Particularly sharing love and life.
I "gotta new drug".
Though not new to me; ever since I can 'member.
Now my craving is pretty much satisfied for years to come as I have my addiction "fixed" by these little people (dogs - to you). We will share our "drug", love, for life. Someday, when these young'uns are mature and the now-elders have moved on to the next place/plane, I will probably allow myself to satisfy the craving again.
Are you being professorial, Rod?
just plain lookin at 'ya jane
Posted by AdaGrace on November 24, 2004, at 7:36:46
In reply to I had a craving, posted by just plain jane on November 23, 2004, at 13:50:13
for love and acceptance
Posted by Susan47 on November 24, 2004, at 22:17:06
In reply to Re: I had a craving, posted by AdaGrace on November 24, 2004, at 7:36:46
Me, too.
Posted by 64bowtie on November 24, 2004, at 22:28:14
In reply to Re: I had a craving » AdaGrace, posted by Susan47 on November 24, 2004, at 22:17:06
Posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 6:37:00
In reply to Re: I had a craving, posted by AdaGrace on November 24, 2004, at 7:36:46
For Peace and Joy
Posted by 64bowtie on November 30, 2004, at 7:42:19
In reply to Re: I had a craving, posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 6:37:00
» AdaGrace » ....a craving for peace and joy!
<<< ...you're my kinda gal, thanx
Rod
Posted by Jai Narayan on November 30, 2004, at 8:29:15
In reply to Re: I had a craving, posted by AdaGrace on November 25, 2004, at 6:37:00
Yes, I crave that too.
I might have an addiction to Peace and JOy.
I seem to think about peace constantly.P*aCe & J*y
PBS's are b*ing Doled oUt l*ke PaRty C*ndY
These days you can never be too Careful when on
b*BblE...
I miGht hav* sA*d a B*d Wo*d A*reaDy A*d nO* kn*wN iT!
J*i
Posted by GeishaGirl on December 1, 2004, at 7:36:24
In reply to R*: I hAd * cRav*Ng F*r P*aCe aNd J*y, posted by Jai Narayan on November 30, 2004, at 8:29:15
I have a constant craving
For a world where
authority and heirarchy are replaced by
truly collective leadership by all, compassion and inner peace
For a world where 'abuse' replaces 'addiction' and goes from being something chemically or genetically wrong with your brain and instead becomes
an intense personal need that isn't being met
hasn't been meet for way too long
and community asks you
how they can help you, what need isn't being met
and helps you to meet those needs
instead of telling you that there's something wrong with you and your brain and telling you what you need.Geisha Girl
Posted by Jai Narayan on December 1, 2004, at 8:28:00
In reply to I have a constant craving..., posted by GeishaGirl on December 1, 2004, at 7:36:24
lovely prayer for the collective unconscious..
a light in the darkness
thank you for this message
on this rainy dark morning.
Jai
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