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Posted by kara lynne on August 12, 2003, at 22:30:58
In reply to Re: Back from therapy! » kara lynne, posted by Dinah on August 12, 2003, at 20:33:55
I don't think it did anything for me. I went in there talking about feeling desperate, and not wanting to call my ex from that state. He asked me what I was feeling desperate about, as my ex really filled little need for me, and went on about my waiting for prince charming to come rescue me.
That did little with helping me through feelings of desperation, whether it was true or not.
I don't see how that kind of feedback is supposed to be uselful. I think I will use our last session to speak my piece about it--I think...
Posted by kara lynne on August 12, 2003, at 22:39:33
In reply to re: Life Toons » kara lynne, posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 20:39:19
No greater blessing, indeed. How beautiful, Robert Santiago.
I do have one other name of a therapist, who is supposed to be the 'golden standard', but very traditional. I might try him. I guess I might have to investigate further.
Now I am going to go in search of Ibuprofen!! I don't want to spend the evening inflamed. Thanks for all that info---it feels like an inflamed bump, or something--not deep in, but deeper than I can see to try to treat it with Hydrogen Peroxide and antibiotic ointment. I've been trying all kinds of mirror tricks, but it's too deep. In the meantime I did a terrible thing and tried to lance it by feel because it was throbbing and causing me so much pain. Ok, not a very intelligent thing to do.
Time to hit the ibu.
yesac???????
Posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 23:13:43
In reply to re: The above past life wasn't for me, posted by kara lynne on August 12, 2003, at 19:37:18
hi kara lynne,
> You *are* lucky!
... and grateful.
>
> Gee. You must have done something right in a past life, or something.i could hope
... ... then there's that weird deal with my folks and lama pema norbu though ... ...
.... .... perhaps a strange form of reciprocity
... ... and if this amounts to karma-in-action, then i am going to feel much more paranoid
... ... .... know what i mean?but getting to have drugs that work is a blessing i would not dismiss ... ... i am grateful
and a bit ashamed at my good fortune here, in the face of the huge stressors that have piled on you:
your ex ... ... a former boyfriend? ;
you had to move, albeit for the better;
your drugs aren't doing it for you ....
are there more for this list?then look at me:
all i got to worry about is should i do 10 mg or bump up to 15 mg of lexapro?
. .. .. .. poor meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! BAH!oh yeah, and how's your earache doing?
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 23:26:36
In reply to re: ibuprofen as a supplement? » lil' jimi, posted by zenhussy on August 12, 2003, at 20:35:17
hi zenhussy,
> i abuse ibuprofen like a fiend ... ... i take it like a supplement 600 to 800 mg a day most days ... ... i still have good liver function ... ... should i be more concerned, you think ?
>
> ~ jim
>
> Yes. You should be concerned.
>
> zenhussy
okay, i'm concerned ... ... how concerned should i be ?... my liver functions good
... my kidney function is good
... no occult blood, no ulcersi would be worried if i'm compromising my lexapro's effectiveness or something ... ...
... is there something else you could alert me to ...
... please?thank you,
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 23:41:33
In reply to Re: Back from therapy! Dinah, posted by kara lynne on August 12, 2003, at 22:30:58
hi kara lynne,
> I don't think it did anything for me. I went in there talking about feeling desperate, and not wanting to call my ex from that state. He asked me what I was feeling desperate about, as my ex really filled little need for me, and went on about my waiting for prince charming to come rescue me.
>
> That did little with helping me through feelings of desperation, whether it was true or not.
>
> I don't see how that kind of feedback is supposed to be uselful. I think I will use our last session to speak my piece about it--I think...as if i, who has not had therapy, would know, but how is that beneficial to you when he invalidates your feelings of desparation by trivializing your interaction/relationship with your ex?
i mean even if therapy-guy feels his input is insightful and analytical, how is that value to be conveyed if offered in the form of an argument ... ... or, more accurately i think ... in the form of a put down ?
how are his suggestions different from being demeaned for having your feelings?i think you should, IF you feel like it, ask him about it ... ... or blow him off ...
TAKE CARE !!!
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 23:57:20
In reply to lil Jimi Lexapro, posted by kara lynne on August 12, 2003, at 22:39:33
hi again kara lynne,
> No greater blessing, indeed. How beautiful, Robert Santiago.
>that was sylvia's choice and i got to endorse what the good woman who went through labor had every right to get to choose
> I do have one other name of a therapist, who is supposed to be the 'golden standard', but very traditional. I might try him. I guess I might have to investigate further.
>just to keep your options open anyway.
> Now I am going to go in search of Ibuprofen!! I don't want to spend the evening inflamed. Thanks for all that info---it feels like an inflamed bump, or something--not deep in, but deeper than I can see to try to treat it with Hydrogen Peroxide and antibiotic ointment. I've been trying all kinds of mirror tricks, but it's too deep. In the meantime I did a terrible thing and tried to lance it by feel because it was throbbing and causing me so much pain. Ok, not a very intelligent thing to do.
>
> Time to hit the ibu.
>... we don't want to be trying to lance into our eustachian tube ... of course
... ... now where you've hurt yourself will need the hydrogen peroxide ... ...> yesac???????
yeah! ... ... YESAC !!
~ jim
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 1:20:55
In reply to re: lil Jimi Lexapro » kara lynne, posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 23:57:20
No, no lancing our eustachian tube, surely. But how about *just* before our eustachian tube (only kidding, I thought it was much more superficial, but now it's gotten out of hand. I might have to see the doc tomorrow...)
Well you're right, even if you haven't had therapy. I don't think that being demeaned in any way, even if it's in the name of 'confronting' is a good idea. Besides as I've said, I'm not one much for denying my reality, or being dishonest (maybe that confrontive style is more appropriate under those circumstances). I need to be thinking of reasons why I *shouldn't* be punishing myself.
I was off watching the Osbourne's season finale, for lack of anything better to do or the energy to do it with. It was very very mean, but at least it turned out ok in the end.
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 1:29:10
In reply to re: Back from therapy! Dinah » kara lynne, posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 23:41:33
I am trying to consider whether to go to another session and talk to him about it, or just blow him off.
I think by trivializing my relationship he was trying to point out that I shouldn't be feeling desperate about missing him--because I wasn't getting anything to begin with. But somehow that didn't help! And then I went on to say maybe it was the minimal amount of affection I got from my ex, or that he at least like me, and he said, "How do you know the guy liked you?"
So it was the 'brutally honest' hour. He then went on to talk about how unattractive a package a depressed, unemployed woman would be. He was referring to another point in my life, but it could apply (virtually) as well now. Then he said he was just feeding back information I had given him, but I hadn't really given it to him quite that way---even if I did feel it. And now I just get to go home and ponder that all night--even though he made a comment about how now I have a chance to do things differently.
As if I could just walk away from his couch, burst forth into the world and knock em all dead with my dazzling smile from all his encouragement.
Thanks for letting me ramble.
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 1:39:04
In reply to re: The above past life wasn't for me » kara lynne, posted by lil' jimi on August 12, 2003, at 23:13:43
Please don't be ashamed of your success, even if I tease you. I think it's well deserved, and somewhere it gives me hope. I'm even trying Lexapro again!
As for the list...you got an extra lifetime?
Yes, the stressors are many, and enhanced by this evening's full moon. The move (2nd in six weeks) I hope to God is for the better, but I'm still too traumatized to know it. Hopefully within a few weeks I'll be able to see a little bit of the forest for the trees...
How long ago did that happen to you? How would you consider it reciprocity, or reason to feel paranoid if it were karma in action? I don't think it means you have to give up anything dear to your heart...
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 8:50:19
In reply to re: The above past life wasn't for me, posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 1:39:04
good morning!
i hope it is a good morning for everyone
and i thought i'd start my morning off by checking in with our sweet ms yesac ...
... Hi, Yesac!
... how you doing?
... hoping you're doing okay there!TAKE CARE !!
~ jim
Posted by yesac on August 13, 2003, at 9:00:07
In reply to lil Jimi Lexapro, posted by kara lynne on August 12, 2003, at 22:39:33
Posted by yesac on August 13, 2003, at 9:21:30
In reply to re: Yesac?, posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 8:50:19
> i hope it is a good morning for everyone
> and i thought i'd start my morning off by checking in with our sweet ms yesac ...
> ... Hi, Yesac!
> ... how you doing?
> ... hoping you're doing okay there!Oh, gee, thanks. I feel special that you guys missed me last night! I left work at the usual 6:30 EST last night... don't have internet access at home so I'm usually online if I can be at work. Sometimes I go to the library or other places to get online too.
I'm feeling kind of okay. I ended up talking to one of my new roomates for several hours last night. That was good. Hopefully things will begin to feel more comfortable gradually. I'm not trying to rush it or push myself too much because I don't want to let myself get all stressed out about it. Hoping that in time, we'll just all feel comfortable living together.
But I wish I hadn't missed the whole conversation here last night!
I know I'm jumping in kind of late here, but here are my thoughts:
kL - Yeah, I don't know about that therapist. I mean, I'm not saying ditch him, because it's your decision, and it's all about how you feel... but I do think that if your initial reaction was so strong that you didn't really like or get much from him, well... sometimes with these things I just think you need to go with your gut. On the other hand, one more session probably couldn't hurt just to see if he's still the same or what he says if you tell him how you felt about his approach.
LJ - I'm really sorry about your parents too. I had no idea (how would I, I guess?)
Now you guys have got me wondering about Lexapro. I've been on Celexa and Paxil, which both did nothing for me, so I've pretty much given up on SSRIs... but I don't know. I'm just so desperate now to find something that works.
Posted by fallsfall on August 13, 2003, at 9:41:42
In reply to Re: Back from therapy! Dinah, posted by kara lynne on August 12, 2003, at 22:30:58
Hi Kara,
I'm a little sleepy today (had to get up for my daughter), so I may not make any sense.
I'm confused about this therapist. Is he new for you (how many sessions)?. But you say something about a "last appointment", so are you terminating?
I guess that I think it is almost always instructive to go back and talk about what didn't work. It gives them a chance to explain what they were trying to do, and may give you insight into how you see things. Lets you clean the air.
The time you don't go back (and this is the case with my last therapist) is when going back would be so traumatic that any gains wouldn't offset the trauma.
If this is a new guy and he is still trying to figure out how you work, then a discussion might be really helpful. (Because starting all over is Always a drag!)
Don't call your ex!! You are doing great! It will get easier each day.
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 10:21:06
In reply to re: The above past life wasn't for me, posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 1:39:04
hi Kara Lynne!
and, now, i recall your biggest latest stressor: your licensing exam and trying to get qualified to re-take it after having your mental health history mis-documented as a form of aggression instead of depression and being rejected for your dx being inadequate ... ... or at least something horrible like that .. ... .. on Top of the list i was making for you yesterday ... ... ... whenever they itemize our stressors, yours are the ones they always rate as the top aggravations ... ... ...
> Please don't be ashamed of your success, even if I tease you.
>well, "ashamed" may have been an overstatement ... ... but i do feel that my worst complaints are small potatoes comparatively speaking .. ... .. and i like you teasing me ... ... it's good for me.
> I think it's well deserved, and somewhere it gives me hope. I'm even trying Lexapro again!
>it may well be deserved, although i can't be too confident how well deserved it may be, but thanks!
of course, i am the big fan of lexapro, so that's close to my heart ... ... and you already know how it can be a big challenge ... .. ... it's like you can never know who it will work for and who it won't .. ... .. especially now that it seems to be being prescribed for everything ... ..
... depression
... atypical depression
... every anxiety/panic disorder
... bp, bp2, every mood diorder
... ocd, eating disordersas setonin stablity becomes the more likely suspect for these disorders ... and as other ADs inflict worse or too many SEs and /or poop out ... then the refugees are being sent to lexapro or effexor ...
and of course lex can offer up every kind of initial SE, which can last ... oh, who knows how long ?
... .. ... the pBab lex tread is an awesome resource that documents all of these things so well ... ...("bring us your poor, your tired, huddled masses ..." she said.)
but it is most gratifying to me, if i am able to give you hope.
There IS Hope! for all of us .... hang in there!> As for the list...you got an extra lifetime?
>
> Yes, the stressors are many, and enhanced by this evening's full moon. The move (2nd in six weeks) I hope to God is for the better, but I'm still too traumatized to know it. Hopefully within a few weeks I'll be able to see a little bit of the forest for the trees...
>poor baby ... we are a-pulling for you!
> How long ago did that happen to you? How would you consider it reciprocity, or reason to feel paranoid if it were karma in action? I don't think it means you have to give up anything dear to your heart...
>the auto accident happened in st. pete, fl on june 3rd, 2002 and lama pema norbu was to arrive (did arrive) in austin on june 5th 2002 ... ... it was a little over a year ago .. ... .. funny thing to me is that when i told my gp about my parents in march, she said (i'm way paraphrasing here) that they give us 6 months to recover from grief and i had had nine months, therefore i needed lex ... ... and although i argue with that, a lot, i still feel like lex was/is a good thing for me.
i suffer some powerfully ambivalent feelings about those events ... .... ... the sense that they are connected haunts me ... ... ... yet it seems unavoidable ... .. ... 'seems' may be the operative word there ... i don't know
... .. ... but IF they were/are connected, well, now i think things may be able to be too connected
... ... although, in my madhyamaka mahayana buddhism there is great emphasis placed on the mutually interdependent reciprocal origination of all things
... ... ever feel like you are supposed to be learning a lesson about something and the universe is screaming it at you but you don't get it?i'd just like to believe that such karmic forces weren't going to .... what?
... use loved ones deaths to ... what?
... guide my spirtual ... choices?i mean if i am not Supposed to join up with my beloved Nyingmapa ... .. ... can we just have the powers-that-be like send me a telegram or something instead of like having people die?
so, you can see now how these things seem to me too connected, for this buddhist, who believes everything is connected ... ...
what might be the consequences if i were to try to join the Kargyutpas? ... (kargyutpa is another tibetan buddhist tradition ... there are like 4 or 5 main flavors)
even i think this is silly ... ... and my parents really are in a better place now .
still it spooks me ... ... some.
and how is kara lynne today, please?
~ jim
Posted by yesac on August 13, 2003, at 11:48:21
In reply to re: another past life for us, posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 10:21:06
>the auto accident happened in st. pete, fl on june 3rd, 2002 and lama pema norbu was to arrive (did arrive) in austin on june 5th 2002 ... ... it was a little over a year ago .. ... .. funny thing to me
> is that when i told my gp about my parents in march, she said (i'm way paraphrasing here) that they give us 6 months to recover from grief and i had had nine months, therefore i needed lex ...
> ... and although i argue with that, a lot, i still feel like lex was/is a good thing for me.Who's "they"? I mean, what is 6 months like the official grieving period, and after that you are just supposed to get over it? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard! Not to put down Dr. ?????-???... I'm sure it's what they teach them in medical school or residency or journals or whatever. I can just see it.... A Brief Guide to Grief as It Applies to Medicine: "Patients should be given exactly 6 months to recover from the death of people who have been there for their entire lives. If, after a MAXIMUM of 6 months, the patient is still showing symptoms of grief, then the patient must be depressed and therefore whip out a prescription so that you as the MD don't have to deal with it anymore."
Oh well, maybe I'm overreacting a bit here. It just seems a little silly to put a time frame on it like that. As far as I know, grieving is a "process" that goes on for years and years, if not forever in some kind of way.
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 11:51:33
In reply to Re: Back from therapy! Kara, posted by fallsfall on August 13, 2003, at 9:41:42
Hi fallsfall,
Yes, that was the second session I've had with this therapist and I was thinking seriously about it being the last. But I think I will keep my appt. next week and try and to talk about what happened. I want to be able to be a bit clearer about it though, because I realized I left feeling so muddled yesterday. I'm still not quite sure what happened.And thank you for saying 'Don't call your ex'!! My friends (friend?) tries to qualify everything and say she shouldn't tell me what to do, but I really *want* people to say DON'T CALL YOUR EX!!! I was going to put reminders up in my room this morning like, "Even when it was good it was bad", and "You will feel worse if you call", and "He called you an unloveable %$%" and "The guy's impotent anyway".....but I thought it would make me feel more psycho. But I liked reading your post and seeing the directive.
How are things going with you??
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 12:22:56
In reply to re: another past life for us, posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 10:21:06
Ah! Thank you for making clear the obvious. Of course that's what you might infer from the events--talk about top stressors. And it is still so fresh, really.
I don't quite understand the 6/9 months thing--does that mean grieving past 6 months makes you a candidate for meds? ( I can never get behind these time slots we're supposed to have for our emotions...) Well whatever the rationale it led you to something that works for you, and that's all that matters.
I don't think your fears are the slightest bit silly; I don't see how someone wouldn't have been impacted dramatically by the timing of those two things. I do think it's unfortunate though, that you have to be left with so much unresolved fear. Is there someone--a mentor, friend, fellow Buddhist that you could talk about this with?
"ever feel like you are supposed to be learning a lesson about something and the universe is screaming it at you but you don't get it?" May I say... everyday??
But I get this sense lil Jimi, and I wish I could articulate it better, that the meaning for you ultimately is a very positive one. That on the other side of this fear lies a joy in what the actual connection might mean. I hope I'm not overstepping-- please slap me if I am. I just think there is something very beautiful waiting for you, in another reflection of the mirror.
Thank you for indulging me my stress factors-- my misdocumented drama, my inadequate dx (that sounds so funny--even my diagnosis is inadequate!). I am off to...ta da...the ear doctor, so he can look at my lanced eustachian tube.
Thank you for writing.
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 12:29:14
In reply to Oh, I've missed Everything ;( (nm), posted by yesac on August 13, 2003, at 9:00:07
Hi yesac,
Nice to see you. What are your roommates like? When did you move in with them?Roommates can be so difficult, but on the other hand you have built in company when you're getting along. I was feeling so isolated when I got up this morning, wishing I had a nice neighbor or something. At my last apt. I had friends in the building which worked out ideally; we all had our own space but we were near each other if we needed anything.
Well, off for the day---I'll check back after the ear doctor.
K.L.
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 13:05:33
In reply to KL and LJ, posted by yesac on August 13, 2003, at 9:21:30
hi yesac!
> ... I feel special that you guys missed me last night! I left work at the usual 6:30 EST last night... don't have internet access at home so I'm usually online if I can be at work. Sometimes I go to the library or other places to get online too.
>i miss you!
no internet at home ... ... hmmmm .... .... now that could be a good thing ... ... i used to do that ... ... i had internet access at home, but i wouldn't even turn the computer on there for a while ... ... ah, yes, it was that 1st year or so after robert santiago was born ... ... internet at work; parenting at home ...> I'm feeling kind of okay. I ended up talking to one of my new roomates for several hours last night. That was good. Hopefully things will begin to feel more comfortable gradually. I'm not trying to rush it or push myself too much because I don't want to let myself get all stressed out about it. Hoping that in time, we'll just all feel comfortable living together.
>glad to hear you're feeling okay-ish there.
now you've made me happy!
great to hear that you've got to settling in the roomies .... ... and good to hear that you're taking it easy there too ... ... easy does it, is my policy!> But I wish I hadn't missed the whole conversation here last night!
>oh, but dear heart, you haven't missed anything ... ... it's all right there in all it's glory to be read by one and all from now on to .... forever? .... .... <yikes!?>
> I know I'm jumping in kind of late here, but here are my thoughts:
>
> kL - Yeah, I don't know about that therapist. I mean, I'm not saying ditch him, because it's your decision, and it's all about how you feel... but I do think that if your initial reaction was so strong that you didn't really like or get much from him, well... sometimes with these things I just think you need to go with your gut. On the other hand, one more session probably couldn't hurt just to see if he's still the same or what he says if you tell him how you felt about his approach.
>i agree!
if it were me, i'd go back and give him another shot ... ... but, being me, i'd just work him over about what approach would be acceptable and tell him that i'd be building a concensus with him about what would be and what wouldn't be effective .... .... if, as i strongly expect, he would be having a hard time with this, like he's not really up for it (he can dish it out, but he doesn't want to take it, like), then i'd say 'sayonara, baby!' ... Heh!> LJ - I'm really sorry about your parents too. I had no idea (how would I, I guess?)
>well, thank you ... of course you wouldn't know, sweet one ... ... ... your kind thoughts are appreciated ... ... losing my folks is the most apparent instigator for my depression.
> Now you guys have got me wondering about Lexapro. I've been on Celexa and Paxil, which both did nothing for me, so I've pretty much given up on SSRIs... but I don't know. I'm just so desperate now to find something that works.
>and desperation can lead us to disaster or liberation ... ... or, in my case, even buddhism.
... ... but as i have proven, buddhism, by itself anyway, does not cure depression ....so then there's those dang SSRIs and SNRI such as effexor ... ... so ... what to do?
i am SOOOOOO Grateful i haven't had to take prozac, paxil, effexor, zoloft ... ... et cetera ... or even celexa, related as it is to lexapro ...
sylvia was on paxil 10 or more years ago for anxiety ... ... bad, bad, bad ... ... she never got relief from her anxiety AND no one ever told her about side-effects ... ... so we suffered a long time because of her loss of libido ... .. ... she is still trying to recover ... .. ... so even if you put a gun to my head i wasn't going take no paxil, thank ye!
but that ol' lexapro i do believe can tone up and stabilize them serotonin levels .... .... if you can get through 3, 4 maybe 8 or 9 (!) weeks of whatever SEs the gods of torture may inflict on you ... then at maybe 3 or 4 or maybe 8 (!) weeks there can be the useful beneficial therapeutic effects ... ... it is enough to try the patience of a saint!
that ol' lex thread really does tell the tale of the folks who have struggled (and not-so-struggled, like me) with my favorite ssri ... ... i would only pray with all my buddhist might that lexapro could help you ... ... as long as i'm praying, i'd pray that lex would work for you as well as it has for me, PLEASE ... ...
got posts to read now and this to post to send ... so
Later,
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 15:55:05
In reply to re: another past life for us, posted by yesac on August 13, 2003, at 11:48:21
hi yesac,
> >the auto accident happened in st. pete, fl on june 3rd, 2002 and lama pema norbu was to arrive (did arrive) in austin on june 5th 2002 ... ... it was a little over a year ago .. ... .. funny thing to me
> > is that when i told my gp about my parents in march, she said (i'm way paraphrasing here) that they give us 6 months to recover from grief and i had had nine months, therefore i needed lex ...
> > ... and although i argue with that, a lot, i still feel like lex was/is a good thing for me.
>
> Who's "they"? I mean, what is 6 months like the official grieving period, and after that you are just supposed to get over it? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard! Not to put down Dr. ?????-???... I'm sure it's what they teach them in medical school or residency or journals or whatever. I can just see it.... A Brief Guide to Grief as It Applies to Medicine: "Patients should be given exactly 6 months to recover from the death of people who have been there for their entire lives. If, after a MAXIMUM of 6 months, the patient is still showing symptoms of grief, then the patient must be depressed and therefore whip out a prescription so that you as the MD don't have to deal with it anymore."
>
> Oh well, maybe I'm overreacting a bit here. It just seems a little silly to put a time frame on it like that. As far as I know, grieving is a "process" that goes on for years and years, if not forever in some kind of way.
>those are my sentiments exactly ... ... i related this to another poster who was dealing with grief and she was telling that in her jewish tradition, the Required grieving period was (at least?) a year ... .. ... there a jewish word for this grieving ... "Sitting _____" ... ... although i share your ire at such foolishly simplistic, absurdly formulaistic approach to grief, it has managed to work out for me ... ... but i do hear what you're saying .
thanks,
~ jim
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 16:26:22
In reply to re: another life passed for us » yesac, posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 15:55:05
sitting shiva.
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 17:03:43
In reply to re: another past life for us/ lil jimi, posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 12:22:56
hi kara Lynne,
> Ah! Thank you for making clear the obvious. Of course that's what you might infer from the events--talk about top stressors. And it is still so fresh, really.
>Hey, You're Welcome!
i try to offer the comfrimation that others can see and recognize your plight there ... and, babe, you got a doozy! ..... .... hang in there!... xxx .... .... (yes, those are kisses) ...
> I don't quite understand the 6/9 months thing--does that mean grieving past 6 months makes you a candidate for meds? ( I can never get behind these time slots we're supposed to have for our emotions...) Well whatever the rationale it led you to something that works for you, and that's all that matters.
>thanks ... that's how i see it too ... ... i have never heard anybody specify grieving times like that ... ... very irritating, yet now very minor, really ... ... just one more weird thing.
> I don't think your fears are the slightest bit silly; I don't see how someone wouldn't have been impacted dramatically by the timing of those two things. I do think it's unfortunate though, that you have to be left with so much unresolved fear. Is there someone--a mentor, friend, fellow Buddhist that you could talk about this with?
>actually that remains an option for me ... ... i have friends at the buddhist temple where pema norbu visited ... ... i have intentionally put that off for the time being ... ... i suppose that my misgivings do amount to fear, but i hadn't thought of it that way .... yet.
and i have a friend over on the Faith board who has offered to do a channeling about this for me ...
> "ever feel like you are supposed to be learning a lesson about something and the universe is screaming it at you but you don't get it?"
May I say... everyday??
>okay. ... it is a kind of weird feeling, you know?
> But I get this sense lil Jimi, and I wish I could articulate it better, that the meaning for you ultimately is a very positive one. That on the other side of this fear lies a joy in what the actual connection might mean. I hope I'm not overstepping-- please slap me if I am. I just think there is something very beautiful waiting for you, in another reflection of the mirror.
>you, dear friend, could not overstep with me.
wonderful of you to offer such insightful, heartfelt, empathetic, beautiful sympathies ... .. ... thank you so much ...
... ... those are my feelings too, that there's a secret silver lining to my depression's dark cloud ... ... and i must learn from it ... ... .. ... it's just that it seems like it is so ... ... obvious and staring me in the face ... ... yet totally elusive ... ... for now> Thank you for indulging me my stress factors-- my misdocumented drama, my inadequate dx (that sounds so funny--even my diagnosis is inadequate!). I am off to...ta da...the ear doctor, so he can look at my lanced eustachian tube.
>Oh! ... Do take care of those ears! ... ... indulging you is easy ... .... you read me great!
> Thank you for writing.
hey, i thank you for reading ... me ... so well.
~ jim
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 17:07:48
In reply to re: another life passed for us, posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 16:26:22
Posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 17:51:46
In reply to ah, yes, of course ... thank you much, Kind Heart! (nm) » kara lynne, posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 17:07:48
We could start a Buddhist soap opera: Days of Our Past Lives...
Whaddya think?
Posted by lil' jimi on August 13, 2003, at 18:03:11
In reply to I got it! lil jimi..., posted by kara lynne on August 13, 2003, at 17:51:46
> We could start a Buddhist soap opera: Days of Our Past Lives...
>
> Whaddya think?
>
>Excellent .... great potential ... ... writers could magnify and amplify the dramas between/among the characters with their recurrent issues through the ages ... ... great opportunity for flash backs ... dream sequences ... ... deja vu(s)
... ... i'm imagining multiple-time frame villians !
... terrific!... ... and of course, the spin off:
... ... "Nights of Our Past Lives"
... .... for the adults
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