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Posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 12:28:14
Just look at the poor family on TV. I can't even begin to imagine how the mother will be able to deal with her recovery. The father, grandmother, uncles, neighbours, etc. OUCH!
A teenager had hung herself back several years ago in her home. She lived on our street. I know her brother, but never really met her except for seeing her walking to her bus stop in the morning dressed in the dark gothic manner that children wore at the time. Her memory still haunts me, a stranger.
Weeping Willow
hug a child today, or just watch one play
Posted by AKC on June 21, 2001, at 14:13:36
In reply to If you thought you suffered alone ..., posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 12:28:14
You know, I am really sad about this whole thing. In a selfish way, actually. One of the secretaries I work with said this morning - first thing out of her mouth - no prompting - "she was on medication" - like it was the meds that caused this. I didn't say anything for the moment. Then just said, real firm, and then walked off - "This has nothing to do with the medication." I wonder if this secretary would be afraid of me if she knew of the meds I was taking?
On the not selfish part, it upsets me greatly that the talk is already death penalty - obviously this woman is very, very ill. As you point out, it is going to be very, very hard for her.
My two cents.
Posted by Roo on June 21, 2001, at 14:32:01
In reply to Re: If you thought you suffered alone ..., posted by AKC on June 21, 2001, at 14:13:36
I've been thinking a lot about the whole thing
as well. It's just so sad all the way around.
I'm afraid of comments like you heard AKC and
all the other cruel, misunderstood remarks people
make about people with depression. The radio talk
show hosts are having a field day with it, and the
underlying tone is that she is using the "mentally
ill" thing as an excuse, when the truth is, according
to their opinions, is that she's really just a
rotten person. Ugh. It just makes me hurt. And
it makes me sad what sorts of things this disease
can bring one to.
I don't really know what to say about it except that
I've been thinking a lot about it and it makes me
really concerned/sad. I'm glad it came up on this
board so it can be discussed by the intelligent,
kind people that tend to post here.
Posted by tina on June 21, 2001, at 15:51:24
In reply to If you thought you suffered alone ..., posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 12:28:14
Sorry Willow, I have no idea what you're talking about. Could anyone please explain?
i don't read the paper and I don't watch the news so I'm always a little out of the loop......++
thanks, Tina --
Just look at the poor family on TV. I can't even begin to imagine how the mother will be able to deal with her recovery. The father, grandmother, uncles, neighbours, etc. OUCH!
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> A teenager had hung herself back several years ago in her home. She lived on our street. I know her brother, but never really met her except for seeing her walking to her bus stop in the morning dressed in the dark gothic manner that children wore at the time. Her memory still haunts me, a stranger.
>
> Weeping Willow
> hug a child today, or just watch one play
Posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 16:59:37
In reply to Re: If you thought you suffered alone .Explain pls, posted by tina on June 21, 2001, at 15:51:24
Tina
I've stopped watching the news years ago, because I couldn't emotionally handle the abuse that I saw of children. When the teenage mother drowned her two sweet boys. If she didn't get the death sentence this mother who is ill clearly will not.
After the birth of her fourth child she suffered from post-partum depression. It was treated with medication and cleared up. After the birth of her youngest and fifth child it reaccured, but was more severe. The couple had discussed there plans of having more children and deciced to put it on hold indefinetly.
I think it was yesterday she called her husband at work to come home. He did and the police were there. She had drowned all the children in the bathtub.
Her husband talked about the illness, saying that it was not his wife who killed the children. He was clearly distraught. Some of those reporters which were questioning him should be shot.
A forensic pyshciatrist was talking about sleep deprivation, support, having five young children under the age of seven and she was home schooling. My heart just goes out to the whole family.
Was it Mother Theresa who said it takes a whole community to raise a child?
Ignorance will cause fear.
Well I have to go eat, will be back tonight. Please everyone lets not put a black cloud over us. Maria Osmond was talking about this form of depression. Hopefully health care providers and families will become more educated and supportful.
Willow
Posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 18:49:11
In reply to Re: If you thought you suffered alone .Explain pls, posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 16:59:37
http://ca.fullcoverage.yahoo.com/fc/Canada/Houston_Child_Deaths/
Heartbreaking! I think the media can make it worse.
Posted by tina on June 21, 2001, at 23:42:51
In reply to Re: If you thought you suffered alone .Explain pls, posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 16:59:37
thank you for elaborating on the story willow, it's very sad indeed.
I understand the need to blame someone for tragedies of this kind and I guess people are just blaming the illness.
It'll be a sad tragedy no matter what happens I think.
hugs
tina
> Tina
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> I've stopped watching the news years ago, because I couldn't emotionally handle the abuse that I saw of children. When the teenage mother drowned her two sweet boys. If she didn't get the death sentence this mother who is ill clearly will not.
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> After the birth of her fourth child she suffered from post-partum depression. It was treated with medication and cleared up. After the birth of her youngest and fifth child it reaccured, but was more severe. The couple had discussed there plans of having more children and deciced to put it on hold indefinetly.
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> I think it was yesterday she called her husband at work to come home. He did and the police were there. She had drowned all the children in the bathtub.
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> Her husband talked about the illness, saying that it was not his wife who killed the children. He was clearly distraught. Some of those reporters which were questioning him should be shot.
>
> A forensic pyshciatrist was talking about sleep deprivation, support, having five young children under the age of seven and she was home schooling. My heart just goes out to the whole family.
>
> Was it Mother Theresa who said it takes a whole community to raise a child?
>
> Ignorance will cause fear.
>
> Well I have to go eat, will be back tonight. Please everyone lets not put a black cloud over us. Maria Osmond was talking about this form of depression. Hopefully health care providers and families will become more educated and supportful.
>
> Willow
Posted by kazoo on June 21, 2001, at 23:54:33
In reply to Re: If you thought you suffered alone .Explain pls, posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 16:59:37
> Her husband talked about the illness, saying that it was not his wife who killed the children.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And *he's* right!
He's just as much to blame!
Where was he, mentally and physically, in the past seven years that he was *not* able to recognize the symptoms of someone about to go mad?You know, of course, that he's a NASA Engineer, and this doesn't reflect too kindly on NASA (bear with me). Could it be that he put his job before his family? Even so, when you live with a person for seven whole years, you're bound you pick up some inkling of dark clouds on the horizon. I suspect that he was cognizant of his wife's mental condition, past and present, yet was too passive (or stupid) to take the bull by the horns and do something that would have prevented this horribleness.
The wife is guilty for killing her children, but, let's face it, for all intents and purposes, it takes a minimum of two to raise a family; i.e., a "father" and a "mother," so where was he (in a broad sense) in helping to raise these children?
I feel sorry both these individuals, but let's share the blame here.
kazoo
Posted by PuraVida on June 22, 2001, at 4:07:39
In reply to If you thought you suffered alone ..., posted by Willow on June 21, 2001, at 12:28:14
Isn't this a line in a Blues Traveller song - "Just Wait"...sometimes I think someone should make a CD of music to remind us where we are. I just posted about my "boyfriend - ????" and the perils of relationships. Each of us, in our own way, is lucky to have what the other doesn't have - it is all a mix-up, and temporary a lot of times. As they say, just wait, it WILL come....
> Just look at the poor family on TV. I can't even begin to imagine how the mother will be able to deal with her recovery. The father, grandmother, uncles, neighbours, etc. OUCH!
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> A teenager had hung herself back several years ago in her home. She lived on our street. I know her brother, but never really met her except for seeing her walking to her bus stop in the morning dressed in the dark gothic manner that children wore at the time. Her memory still haunts me, a stranger.
>
> Weeping Willow
> hug a child today, or just watch one play
Posted by Willow on June 22, 2001, at 7:37:19
In reply to Re: If you thought you suffered alone ..., posted by PuraVida on June 22, 2001, at 4:07:39
But what type of parental leave is available in the states? In Texas? And then if we look at these children who are comitting "mass murders" they're not lacking for anything materially, yet I wonder how much social support they've had? The American dream?
Up here in Ontario, the present government is cutting back on services. In my opinion I would rather provide money to these social services than policing.
But then out east, there was a little girl who's family was getting assistance by through these "services" and yet the child was starved and tortured til she died. The judge made the community erect a monument of the girl, so that they would all remember how they failed her; neighbours (they lived in an apartment building,) protective workers, the parents, etc.
Some communities are erecting walls, to keep them safe, and yet it maybe there own family members that they need to fear.
Hopefully, we'll learn from this. Yes the husband should have done somethings differently, easy to say now when we're looking back. I still feel for the family. They were in unfamilar water, but the doctors treating her should have done more. They prescribed medication, perhaps they could have insisted on childcare, homecare, etc. They should have known what they were dealing with. Perhaps they could have given the couple more information about depression, post-partum depression, the chance of recurrence with another pregnancy, etc.
Blaming anyone at this point is useless. This couple will have to live with this for the rest of their lives.
Hollow Willow
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