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Posted by rayww on November 20, 2002, at 18:15:55
Has anyone heard of or tried this?
Posted by Phil on November 20, 2002, at 21:22:20
In reply to Whole Hearted Healing, posted by rayww on November 20, 2002, at 18:15:55
He specializes in spiritual emergencies. I can almost guarantee you they will take the money and run. "We don't have a central physical address..."
Gives me the heebie jeebies....
Posted by bluedog on November 21, 2002, at 3:05:45
In reply to Re: Looks more like Whole Hearted Stealing., posted by Phil on November 20, 2002, at 21:22:20
"A variety of changes can be experienced from our work - either by healing the traumas that block intrinsic abilities, or as a consequence to changes in states of consciousness. They include: needing little sleep, seeing surroundings in vivid three dimensions, each moment of time feels infinitely long,
the body feels like it’s floating, everything is effortless, music sounds rapturous, merging with all past lives simultaneously, and a host of other changes."
What a great piece of creative writing.....If it sounds too good to be true it usually is!!!! Maybe I'm just too cynical but the first word that popped into my mind was "cult". I could however be wrong and they may genuinely want to help you for free.
Posted by rayww on November 21, 2002, at 10:28:39
In reply to Re: Looks more like Whole Hearted Stealing., posted by bluedog on November 21, 2002, at 3:05:45
People here seem to be basically untrusting. Perhaps you didn't read far enough into this to discover this is a technique a person can do alone, and it is free. There are a lot of variations to it, and a person who meditates can nearly discover it on their own. I came really close, (before I met the person who volunteered free of charge to lead me through this), but I was far enough away that I knew there was a missing link.
My opinion is that WHH is something everyone should learn in kindergarden. That is, facing your emotions while they are raw, rather than shelfing them to rot and fester for 30 years (as I did). It's based on the premise that emotion stacks up and if you can trace an emotion back to it's root, then get inside and press on that emotion, it will disolve, and the stack on top of it will then crumble and be gone. This has to be thorough and you must remain with it until you can go to a situation that caused the emotion and feel peace in your heart in it. I helped my brother over the phone heal an incident that traced back to loss of a pet from his very early childhood. This is real. It helps. It is a healer.
Listen to your own emotional "pangs", and they will give you clues that you too have a trail. For instance before I learned how to do this, every time I would meet someone who had known my father (died at age 39) I would feel tugs on my heart strings. I can now meet these people as friends, and the casual acquaintences that they are.
We develop patterns of dealing with loss and pain in our early childhood, and that's why in WHH meditation the goal is to trace things back to birth trauma, since that is in everyone's memory somewhere. If we can undo our birth trauma, and release whatever has been linked to that trail, we are set free to adjust to each emotional situation for what it is in the present, without the possibility of having it be the "straw that breaks the camel's back". The first few times you connect to your emotional trails, you won't go back that far, but if you are aware, once the journey begins, other things will begin to surface. Those who have experienced extreme trama and severe abuse should not attempt this alone, rather in the company of a trusted professional who knows and understands similar techniques.
Why do you use the word, "cult?" People who learn this are very happy to teach it to others. One personal success I had with a very good friend, who was harboring bad feelings about her sister: I briefly explained the process, printed off the information from the INternet, she tried it one time and those ill feelings disolved. She was able to have a heart to heart talk with her sister and they get along just fine now. Another person couldn't get on with life since the death of her mother. I met with her one time and helped bring her from tears and desperation, thinking she should never have been born, and wishing she were dead, to the oposite: knowing Jesus wanted her to be born, and feeling peace in her heart concerning her mother's death.
These are personal, and I don't particularily wish to be condemned "cult".
Bipolars seem to have a hard time leaning where to file and store emotion. I found by shelfing my emotion I got to the point where I would feel opposite to what I should be feeling. When I feel emotion building up I can now take a time out for 15 min, half hour, or even longer if necessary, and heal the emotion. I honestly say, it helps. It doesn't take away the mood swings, but it heals the interferring obstacles to progress.
One thing I'm not sure you'll catch in the reading, that I find extremely useful to use in getting back to roots is to identify a "love youself" image. It can be your first recollection of feeling the emotion of love, and it can be linked to a toy, a pet, a grandparent, aunt, or anyone other than mother and father, since there are many negatives there as well. But, some thing you were able to love. While trying to enter your pain (fear, anger, sadness, shame) you also think of your love yourself image at the same time, and if you still cannot reach it, with your eyes closed all the time, focus on the bright light inside your eyes. Go ahead, close your eyes and you'll see what I mean. Pay attention to the sensations inside your body, especially in your chest, and physically you may feel a releasing, or a purging of something you have never noticed before. Not everyone will be able to succeed in this. But, if you have been searching for reasons you feel or do what you do, and are wanting answers, and are up against a brick wall, you are ready. This didn't take away my bipolar moods, but it has helped me identify them for what they are.
I love you. have a good day.
Posted by bluedog on November 21, 2002, at 11:09:43
In reply to Re: Looks more like Whole Hearted Stealing. » bluedog, posted by rayww on November 21, 2002, at 10:28:39
I made my last post a little too hastily. After I had made the post I regretted using the word "cult" in my post as this word did not properly describe the feelings that I experienced when reading the web site and I apologise if the use of this word caused anyone offence.
I agree that I am basically untrusting. I have participated in courses where very similar claims have been made as made in the WHH website only to be disappointed and discover that after the initial 2or3 free sessions that they really only wanted me to "invest" in the "advanced" courses at prices that I could very well not afford and then being subjected to extreme high pressure sales tactics and public humiliation when it became apparent that I was not going to hand my money over (The Public Humiliation was a nice touch considering that I had just opened my heart to a room full of strangers and talked about my social anxiety)
I am sorry but the claims made in the WHH website to me still seem to be too good to be true. Seeing these sorts of claims being made triggers memories of my above experience and brings up feelings of anger in me about such claims being made to vulnerable people who are desperate for a cure to their problems.
My post was intended as a warning to others not to expect too much from WHH so that they would avoid what I have gone through. Unfortunately I wrote my post while still feeling angry and the post came across more sarcastically than I had intended.
I am glad that your friend was able to be helped by the WHH techniques and I definitely will not condemn anyone who has successfully used the technique.
Posted by Tabitha on November 22, 2002, at 3:08:05
In reply to Whole Hearted Healing, posted by rayww on November 20, 2002, at 18:15:55
The first page of the site does suggest a hidden sales pitch, but the rest of it was very interesting. I did stuff like this when I was hurting over a breakup. I traced my disproportionate pain back to the feeling of being neglected/rejected by my parents. I never got a clear picture of what happened, but I was able to access the feelings. After staying with those feelings, my habit of many years standing of chasing unavailable men started breaking up. It really was pretty amazing.
Unfortunately I find that my day-to-day stresses don't seem to relate back to anything. Maybe I'll try some of the suggestions on the site.
Posted by rayww on November 22, 2002, at 15:45:31
In reply to Re: Whole Hearted Healing, posted by Tabitha on November 22, 2002, at 3:08:05
thanks for your response. from what i read on other sites it seems that these things only open us up so we can heal ourselves, or else so our creator or spirit can heal us.
http://www.emofree.com/eftcous.htm#Innovators
> The first page of the site does suggest a hidden sales pitch, but the rest of it was very interesting. I did stuff like this when I was hurting over a breakup. I traced my disproportionate pain back to the feeling of being neglected/rejected by my parents. I never got a clear picture of what happened, but I was able to access the feelings. After staying with those feelings, my habit of many years standing of chasing unavailable men started breaking up. It really was pretty amazing.
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> Unfortunately I find that my day-to-day stresses don't seem to relate back to anything. Maybe I'll try some of the suggestions on the site.
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