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Posted by Jimmyboy on October 16, 2006, at 17:46:43
Has anyone had success with using Magnesium for their depression? If so, what type and what dosage did you use?
I am really interested to see if that could work .. it seems like it could considering that its an NMDA antagonist??
Posted by Jlx on October 16, 2006, at 20:03:46
In reply to Magnesium for depression, posted by Jimmyboy on October 16, 2006, at 17:46:43
> Has anyone had success with using Magnesium for their depression? If so, what type and what dosage did you use?
>
> I am really interested to see if that could work .. it seems like it could considering that its an NMDA antagonist??My favorite subject! :)
Yes, I have had/am having success using magnesium for depression. It's the best thing I've ever used. I started using magnesium glycinate after I first read this guy's webpage 3 years ago: http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html I started taking about 800 mg a day of magnesium glycinate, and also cut out calcium rich foods (mostly dairy) from my diet for awhile.
I've experimented with other kinds of magnesium: magnesium citrate, magnesium orotate, magnesium malate, magnesium sulfate (Epsom salts) and now usually take magnesium taurate and/or magnesium orotate.
I take about 3-600 mg/day nowadays. It noticeably makes a difference in my mood, especially related to stress.
JL
Posted by nolvas on October 17, 2006, at 11:27:48
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression » Jimmyboy, posted by Jlx on October 16, 2006, at 20:03:46
I have a question about Magnesium Taurate. Every Magnesium Taurate supplement I have seen has a relatively low amount of Magnesium to Taurine. Something like 90mg - 125mg of Magnesium the rest is Taurine.
So I'm a little confused about the dosage to take. Here's an example supplement >
Magnesium (as magnesium taurinate) 250 mg 63%
L-Taurine (as magnesium taurinate) 2,672 mgIf I wanted to take 500mg of Magnesium for example then the amount of Taurine I would be taking seems a lot. Or do I not need to take that much because it's in this form?
Posted by tealady on October 18, 2006, at 4:51:12
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression, posted by nolvas on October 17, 2006, at 11:27:48
> I have a question about Magnesium Taurate. Every Magnesium Taurate supplement I have seen has a relatively low amount of Magnesium to Taurine. Something like 90mg - 125mg of Magnesium the rest is Taurine.
>
> So I'm a little confused about the dosage to take. Here's an example supplement >
>
> Magnesium (as magnesium taurinate) 250 mg 63%
> L-Taurine (as magnesium taurinate) 2,672 mg
>
> If I wanted to take 500mg of Magnesium for example then the amount of Taurine I would be taking seems a lot. Or do I not need to take that much because it's in this form?
>
>
It's to do with the weight (or mass) of Magnesium and taurine. They come joined together in magnesium taurinate so for each 250mg of magnesium you get all that taurine.
One piece of taurine(which is large no of atoms joined together) just weighs that much more than one atom of Magnesium.
For MOST people 250mg of pure Magnesium.. compared to the mass of the whole thing joined together is probably enough.(about 300mg Mg is a rough guide to a good therapeutic level for MOST people)I'd be just trying one and if you need more try 2 together.. just see how you go (maybe some days you may need one and some days two depending on the level of stress you experience or other supps/tablets you need to take etc).
With calcium, as an example, a lot of people need to double up on days they exercise or train heavily to prevent cramps, but with light training just need one..so it depends on both the individual AND what they are experiencing/doing that day. After a while you know what "feels" right.I'd love to try Mg glycinate but I haven't been able to find it over here..and Vitamin Shoppe doesnt ship to Australia. So if anyone knows of anywhere I can get it.. that ships to Aust, let me know :)
Posted by Darwin on October 18, 2006, at 12:49:29
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression » Jimmyboy, posted by Jlx on October 16, 2006, at 20:03:46
Is it really the Magnesium that's responsible for the antidepressant effect or is it the molecule that it's bonded to (glycine, taurine, etc) or is it the combination?
Posted by Jlx on October 18, 2006, at 18:45:00
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression, posted by nolvas on October 17, 2006, at 11:27:48
> I have a question about Magnesium Taurate. Every Magnesium Taurate supplement I have seen has a relatively low amount of Magnesium to Taurine. Something like 90mg - 125mg of Magnesium the rest is Taurine.
>
> So I'm a little confused about the dosage to take. Here's an example supplement >
>
> Magnesium (as magnesium taurinate) 250 mg 63%
> L-Taurine (as magnesium taurinate) 2,672 mg
>
> If I wanted to take 500mg of Magnesium for example then the amount of Taurine I would be taking seems a lot. Or do I not need to take that much because it's in this form?I've never seen a breakdown like that; I take Cardiovascular Research brand from Amazon/Vitamin Shoppe.
Here's what this complementary medicine guy has to say about it:
"Magnesium Taurate is a scientifically-designed amino acid-mineral complex. Magnesium Taurate is a fully reacted complex and not simply a blend of the two materials. Unlike some other magnesium preparations, magnesium taurate does not cause gastrointestinal upset. Magnesium Taurate is routinely used to help support healthy heart rhythm. Studies have revealed magnesium & the amino acid taurine have some interchangeable & potentiating roles. Magnesium helps to regulate taurine & taurine can substitute for magnesium when magnesium is deficient. Both taurine & magnesium stabilize cell membranes. Both exert sedative effects & inhibit the excitability of nerve cells throughout the central nervous system." http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/519
In my experience, taking magnesium taurate means you can take less (worry less about the amount of magnesium, I mean). Perhaps that is because as he says, taurine can substitute for magnesium.
I also take other kinds. I have bulk magnesium orotate, magnesium malate and magnesium glycinate from Beyond a Century, and sometimes just mix them all up in one capsule.
JL
Posted by Jlx on October 18, 2006, at 18:47:55
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression » nolvas, posted by tealady on October 18, 2006, at 4:51:12
> I'd love to try Mg glycinate but I haven't been able to find it over here..and Vitamin Shoppe doesnt ship to Australia. So if anyone knows of anywhere I can get it.. that ships to Aust, let me know :)
How about Amazon? I notice they have several brands. KAL brand magnesium glycinate used to be not so recommended, but according to my local health food store owner, KAL was bought out by Solaray and forced to come up to their standards.
JL
Posted by teejay on October 19, 2006, at 8:52:56
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression » nolvas, posted by tealady on October 18, 2006, at 4:51:12
Can you get Solgar products over there? Their Chelated magnesium is actually mag bound to glycine :-)
Posted by teejay on October 19, 2006, at 13:02:31
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression, posted by Jlx on October 18, 2006, at 18:47:55
Not taken magnesium for a long time so decided to go and get some today. Its from Biocare and is actually Magnesium chloride with Taurine rather than being bound to it.
Each cap contains 1000mg taurine and 163mg mag.....one is supposed to take 2 a day.
Posted by Jlx on October 21, 2006, at 13:46:11
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression, posted by teejay on October 19, 2006, at 13:02:31
> Not taken magnesium for a long time so decided to go and get some today. Its from Biocare and is actually Magnesium chloride with Taurine rather than being bound to it.
>
> Each cap contains 1000mg taurine and 163mg mag.....one is supposed to take 2 a day.Aren't you the guy who took tons of magnesium glycinate and never had diarrhea or felt much effect?
Magnesium chloride is supposed to be very absorbable and from things I've read lately, combining it with taurine sounds like a good synergy.
There's also Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate) soaks, if you're not absorbing magnesium for some reason (leaky gut perhaps?) and also something called "magnesium oil" I've noticed from some sites, which apparently is magnesium chloride, also for the skin route.
JL
Posted by teejay on October 21, 2006, at 15:02:47
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression » teejay, posted by Jlx on October 21, 2006, at 13:46:11
Jlx, your depression sure hasn't ruined your memory! I am indeed the person who could eat mag tab like smarties and not get any gastrointestinal problems.
My anxiety was just getting out of control so needed to do 'something'. Its only been a couple of days but I do feel less edgy and more calm so lets hope it helps.
I tend to go to the loo a LOT anyway (at least twice a day and sometimes up to 4 times) but even so I think the current tablets are having an effect in that department!!!!
Also taking ashwagandha but to be honest I dont think it does anything.
TJ
Posted by LOOPS on October 23, 2006, at 18:24:36
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression, posted by teejay on October 21, 2006, at 15:02:47
Hi -
I love magnesium - it's the best supplement I've found so far, but I've been having weird side-effects that are completely contrary to what should happen. Maybe someone can finally help me out here?
So I originally started taking magnesium about a year ago, and mixed it with some calcium (usually around 1:1). I felt much more relaxed. Then after some months I started getting heart arrhythmias, which got very annoying.
I think at this point I lowered my dose of both, but the arrhythmias would come back every now and then. I continued with the cal/mag mixture and gradually started to lose sleep again.
Recently I ditched calcium completely and just took the Mg. Immediately I felt calmer - I had been quite anxious for awhile and not sleeping well at all, despite supplementing Ca/Mg at about 1:1.
Also no arrhythmias for those couple of days initially. Then suddenly, after about 4 days of 500mg Mg only, my arrhythmias came back full force. Today I felt weak and trembly playing tennis. However mentally I feel fine.
Way before my experimentations with Mg/Ca - I always was an anxious person prone to depression, mood swings, insomnia, pms, socially reclusive; but I never ever had arrhythmia until I started the Mg.
Now I am much more relaxed person but my heart isn't happy. What is going on here? I want to continue the Mg but don't want to have these palpitations - they are scary.
Many thanks for any advice
Loops
Posted by Jlx on October 23, 2006, at 20:16:35
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression, posted by LOOPS on October 23, 2006, at 18:24:36
Hi Loops,
I think we can get "topped up" with magnesium, get the mag/cal ratio more straightened out and then need less magnesium overall. That was my experience anyway.
Also don't forget the effects of food. If we're eating calcium rich foods, more magnesium might feel good, but if not much calcium in our diet, magnesium supplementation of 500 mg may be too much. Also consider your magnesium supplementation for your body weight:
Formula to Calculate Magnesium Daily Requirement-
5 to 10 milligrams per day per kilo of ideal body weight or 2.5 to 4.5 milligrams per day per pound of ideal body weight.Example: 70 kilos or 150 pounds= 350 mg. to 700 mg. daily. This nutritionist's site also has some other considerations as to when you go with the higher amount: http://www.krispin.com/magnes.html#Formula
This Magnesium Deficiency Questionnaire might also give you some idea about what sort of considerations apply. Maybe you no longer need to supplement magnesium or only a very little:
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/081501.htm
Perhaps instead of a 1:1 ratio, try 2:1 first one way, then the other, but less overall.If I remember correctly, you take magnesium chloride, right? And live in ...Chile? Is it possible to get magnesium taurate, or taurine there? Magnesium chloride is supposed to be well absorbed and without the amino acid to "temper" the magnesium a bit, maybe you are getting too much too abruptly. If you can't get magnesium taurate, then try taking the taurine with it if you can get taurine. George Eby, whose website it was that first prompted me to try magnesium for depression, has a lot on taurine being heart-friendly. Besides his main page, http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html he has another just on taurine: http://george-eby-research.com/html/taurine.html He said, incidentally, that he had cardiac arrhythmias for years from brushing his teeth with baking soda.
Some taurine amounts per mg/100 g edible portion, from his website:
Chicken leg
378Chicken breast
26
Shellfish
332
Beef
64Interesting difference between chicken breast and leg!
I think heart palpitations can also result from imbalance between potassium and sodium, usually not enough potassium. Potassium is plentiful in lots of foods, http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=90 so that may not be it, but you might try eating something high in potassium or drinking a fruit or vegetable juice when you're having heart palpitations. I get little weird foot and leg cramps when I get out of whack sometimes, and usually a small can of pineapple juice sets me right.
Zinc is in there too somewhere.
Do you space out the magnesium throughout the day/evening?
Vitamin E helps heart palpitations for me sometimes, but I think they might be hormonal when this happens.
JL
> Hi -
>
> I love magnesium - it's the best supplement I've found so far, but I've been having weird side-effects that are completely contrary to what should happen. Maybe someone can finally help me out here?
>
> So I originally started taking magnesium about a year ago, and mixed it with some calcium (usually around 1:1). I felt much more relaxed. Then after some months I started getting heart arrhythmias, which got very annoying.
>
> I think at this point I lowered my dose of both, but the arrhythmias would come back every now and then. I continued with the cal/mag mixture and gradually started to lose sleep again.
>
> Recently I ditched calcium completely and just took the Mg. Immediately I felt calmer - I had been quite anxious for awhile and not sleeping well at all, despite supplementing Ca/Mg at about 1:1.
>
> Also no arrhythmias for those couple of days initially. Then suddenly, after about 4 days of 500mg Mg only, my arrhythmias came back full force. Today I felt weak and trembly playing tennis. However mentally I feel fine.
>
> Way before my experimentations with Mg/Ca - I always was an anxious person prone to depression, mood swings, insomnia, pms, socially reclusive; but I never ever had arrhythmia until I started the Mg.
>
> Now I am much more relaxed person but my heart isn't happy. What is going on here? I want to continue the Mg but don't want to have these palpitations - they are scary.
>
> Many thanks for any advice
>
> Loops
Posted by LOOPS on October 24, 2006, at 8:59:43
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression » LOOPS, posted by Jlx on October 23, 2006, at 20:16:35
Hi Jlx -
thanks -
I am some sort of an athlete (tennis training and swimming every day) and I weigh 65 kilos - so I guess 500mg isn't too much?
I also chew nicorette gum a lot and still drink alcohol - also I am type A personality and get anxious easily (well, up until starting on magnesium).
I suppose I was so relieved to have the effects I did with magnesium (had chronic insomnia all my life pretty much) that I refused to give up on it - still feel this way. The other problem is that every weekend I'm playing in a very loud band until 5am and I do drink a couple of rum and diet cokes. I know I know....not good for magnesium levels at all.
Yesterday was very strange - sorry I don't mean to hijack this thread or anything! I had tennis training and was feeling a bit weird and shaky suddenly - too much magnesium I think. Then last night I ate a ton of cheese, went to bed, dreamt like crazy all night waking up but going back to sleep often - finally awoke at 7am, took some Ca AND Mg (have mortal fear of Ca alone) and then conked out into deep sleep until 10am. This morning I am a bit groggy but generally that is indicative that my body is finally relaxed so I don't mind. Also sleeping deeply is very important to me, whenever I might do it.
It seems sooo easy to get too much calcium and not enough magnesium with me, but then a couple of days and I'm back the other way too. Maybe I can give myself a 'shot' of calcium every now and then?
I have also noticed, that taking magnesium APART from calcium seems to work better for me if I am going to do both (different time of day).
So I eat some cheese - but no milk, yoghurt etc (I am a low-carber). I eat vegetables though - spinach, broccoli, bell peppers, tomatoes etc - anything that isn't too starchy. I also eat nuts (lots of almonds), and make flaxseed bread.
When you say try a 2:1 ratio, do you mean Ca:Mg or Mg:Ca? I don't want to take too much calcium because my sleep starts to suffer after awhile.
I can't get magnesium taurate here - I can get mag-tab SR although it is ridiculously expensive (32 US$ for 30 tablets) - so I just ordered that online. I like the lactate.
I have tried taurine in the past and in the end didn't like it very much. My diet is already high in taurine and I find more actually exacerbates my insomnia. Also taking aminos generally ends up screwing up my balance. Taking magnesium glycinate for instance makes me feel really weird and not incredibly relaxed. That is why I go for the non-amino forms.
So I have the trace mineral drops (basically magnesium chloride with trace minerals), which might be very good for me, because each drop has 6mg Mg - I can just add a few drops to my tea or glass of water etc.
But I think I'm gonna need to continue supplementing Mg because my lifestyle still leaves much to be desired (alchohol, nicotine, late nights, noise).
I take zinc - funny - the nights I take it I notice less arrhythmia in general. I also use potassium salt in water whilst training.
VEry interesting about the chicken leg! I wonder how much red meat and pork has? I have been having big cravings for steak recently. When I first started low-carbing I was crazy about pork - now it's steak.
Loops
Posted by Jlx on October 24, 2006, at 11:34:25
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression, posted by LOOPS on October 24, 2006, at 8:59:43
> When you say try a 2:1 ratio, do you mean Ca:Mg or Mg:Ca? I don't want to take too much calcium because my sleep starts to suffer after awhile.
I was thinking more mag than calcium. If you haven't tried that. I had insomnia most of my life too until I started taking magnesium. I'm sensitive to calcium, especially by supplementation.
You'll probably just need to keep experimenting.
Have you ever seen this nutrition site? They've got a lot of stuff there, but not the taurine content of foods.
Check out the difference between beef and pork:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20td.html
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20Y6.html
The steak certainly has a much higher mineral content, especially zinc and potassium. B12 too. I get cravings for red meat sometimes, when nothing else will do.
That site looks pretty interesting -- includes an inflammatory rating for each food. Something different.
JL
>
> I can't get magnesium taurate here - I can get mag-tab SR although it is ridiculously expensive (32 US$ for 30 tablets) - so I just ordered that online. I like the lactate.
>
> I have tried taurine in the past and in the end didn't like it very much. My diet is already high in taurine and I find more actually exacerbates my insomnia. Also taking aminos generally ends up screwing up my balance. Taking magnesium glycinate for instance makes me feel really weird and not incredibly relaxed. That is why I go for the non-amino forms.
>
> So I have the trace mineral drops (basically magnesium chloride with trace minerals), which might be very good for me, because each drop has 6mg Mg - I can just add a few drops to my tea or glass of water etc.
>
> But I think I'm gonna need to continue supplementing Mg because my lifestyle still leaves much to be desired (alchohol, nicotine, late nights, noise).
>
> I take zinc - funny - the nights I take it I notice less arrhythmia in general. I also use potassium salt in water whilst training.
>
> VEry interesting about the chicken leg! I wonder how much red meat and pork has? I have been having big cravings for steak recently. When I first started low-carbing I was crazy about pork - now it's steak.
>
> Loops
Posted by LOOPS on October 24, 2006, at 11:38:31
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression » LOOPS, posted by Jlx on October 24, 2006, at 11:34:25
yeah I live on that site lol!
However, I was having a discussion about vitamin K in animal foods the other day on a low-carb forum - apparently the USDA doesn't look for the animal form of this vitamin - just the plant version - so lots of animal foods come out very low when in fact they're not. So now I just take it as a general guideline. For instance, flax seeds contain a huge amount of magnesium - but how much of that I can absorb as they also contain a huge amount of fibre which can bind with minerals etc.
Anyway - I will keep experimenting. I think the main thing is to get rid of the arrhthmias and also to avoid diarrhea obviously which I get sometimes.
Thanks for your help!
Loops
Posted by tealady on October 27, 2006, at 20:46:27
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression tealady, posted by teejay on October 19, 2006, at 8:52:56
The Oz brand of Solgar, made for the Australian market (TGA) was Magnesium citrate or glutamate or aspartate I think from memory(poor memory still and getting worse)..
Solgar , I think from memory again pulled out of Oz earlier this year. Before they came here I used to be able to get oseas Solgar imported in some health foods shops(I know I got the Solgar Siberian gingseng then, but after Solgar Oz arrived it was extracts only of Ginseng.The regime may be cracking down/tightening on healt food shops etc getting stuff from o'seas .. unsure
Iherb didn't have it the many times I checked, and Vitamin Shoppe and others that do have it don't export to Oz, so I'd be grateful if anyone does know where I can source some.
I really need to relax. I'm so tense in muscle clenching etc.
I've always hated glutamate and the chelates over here can be anything. They refuse to disclose what is used, and are not required to which IMO is wrong and could ne harmful. It's usually aspartate or glutamate I've been told, as these are cheaper.. well that's the story I get anyway.Lots of MgO and MgCO3 avalable of course.
I have some Mg citrate I got form the US and some I bought from Holland and barrets in the Uk still too! , but citrate forms may make one's urine alkaline and mine was going way too alkaline, and CO3 forms do the same as well as reduce stomach acid(and mine tends to be low anyway), so I don't need that reducing. The oxide does have a noticeable effect but maybe not enough.. no stool softening anyway, and it's not, in theory anyway, very absorbable.(based I suspect of MgO not being dissolvable in water, and bond being strong between Mg and O)I've got some magnesium orotate and that's the first one that is softening stools at all.
It doesn't take much, but then B1 also softens stools so maybe its the combo, like maybe I needed B1 for th Mg to work at all?
The citrate I once took 8 grams? (I think) of before I noticed any effect at all.. just to see how much it took (when I wnet funny when I was high on iron that time if you remember).. I'd need to check back somewhere on this though.I don't like glutamate in foods, so I doubt I could tolerate Mg glutatmate , and aspartate is likely to also be bad as both are the more stimulating forms?
Thing is, I still would love to try the glycinate form and I still have this anxiety , no longer desperate, but still there and I keep clenching teeth ankles, legs, jaw etc sigh
I also have really dry skin at present so my skin would maybe benefit from the glycinate form if Jlx's experience is repeatable:)
Hope this is readable, I wasn't up to writing any reply b4.
Jan
Posted by Jlx on October 28, 2006, at 8:51:11
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression tealady » teejay, posted by tealady on October 27, 2006, at 20:46:27
Amazon ships overseas. You can get just about anything there these days.
"International Direct offers Amazon customers a unique service: providing duty and tax estimation during checkout and customs clearance by the courier on your behalf. Your order arrives at your door without surprise duty charges. International Direct is also a great way to send gifts overseas. International Direct currently provides service to the following countries: Australia, ..."
http://www.amazon.com/b/ref=amb_link_3393862_1/102-2187936-5568152?ie=UTF8&node=230659011
> The Oz brand of Solgar, made for the Australian market (TGA) was Magnesium citrate or glutamate or aspartate I think from memory(poor memory still and getting worse)..
>
> Solgar , I think from memory again pulled out of Oz earlier this year. Before they came here I used to be able to get oseas Solgar imported in some health foods shops(I know I got the Solgar Siberian gingseng then, but after Solgar Oz arrived it was extracts only of Ginseng.
>
> The regime may be cracking down/tightening on healt food shops etc getting stuff from o'seas .. unsure
>
> Iherb didn't have it the many times I checked, and Vitamin Shoppe and others that do have it don't export to Oz, so I'd be grateful if anyone does know where I can source some.
>
> I really need to relax. I'm so tense in muscle clenching etc.
> I've always hated glutamate and the chelates over here can be anything. They refuse to disclose what is used, and are not required to which IMO is wrong and could ne harmful. It's usually aspartate or glutamate I've been told, as these are cheaper.. well that's the story I get anyway.
>
> Lots of MgO and MgCO3 avalable of course.
> I have some Mg citrate I got form the US and some I bought from Holland and barrets in the Uk still too! , but citrate forms may make one's urine alkaline and mine was going way too alkaline, and CO3 forms do the same as well as reduce stomach acid(and mine tends to be low anyway), so I don't need that reducing. The oxide does have a noticeable effect but maybe not enough.. no stool softening anyway, and it's not, in theory anyway, very absorbable.(based I suspect of MgO not being dissolvable in water, and bond being strong between Mg and O)
>
> I've got some magnesium orotate and that's the first one that is softening stools at all.
> It doesn't take much, but then B1 also softens stools so maybe its the combo, like maybe I needed B1 for th Mg to work at all?
> The citrate I once took 8 grams? (I think) of before I noticed any effect at all.. just to see how much it took (when I wnet funny when I was high on iron that time if you remember).. I'd need to check back somewhere on this though.
>
> I don't like glutamate in foods, so I doubt I could tolerate Mg glutatmate , and aspartate is likely to also be bad as both are the more stimulating forms?
>
> Thing is, I still would love to try the glycinate form and I still have this anxiety , no longer desperate, but still there and I keep clenching teeth ankles, legs, jaw etc sigh
>
> I also have really dry skin at present so my skin would maybe benefit from the glycinate form if Jlx's experience is repeatable:)
>
> Hope this is readable, I wasn't up to writing any reply b4.
> Jan
Posted by tealady on October 28, 2006, at 15:43:34
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression tealady » tealady, posted by Jlx on October 28, 2006, at 8:51:11
Thanks JLx.
Last time I checked Amazon didn't ship vitamins/supps to Australia, just books, CD's etc. I'll recheck :)I forgot about the sulfates.. like Epsom salts. A little occasionally feels good.. must be if i'm really depleted, but if I have a bath a couple of times in a row I get wiped and feel a bit off...or if I put more than a spoonful in the bathwater.
I suspect sulfates forms don't agree with me. I took just one tablet of zinc sulfate and had sweating, vomiting and shaking not long after.. repeatable.
Didn't feel great after trying MgSO4 either.. would have to go back thru records..not as extreme reaction as the ZnSO4 though!
Posted by tealady on October 28, 2006, at 16:06:37
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression tealady » tealady, posted by Jlx on October 28, 2006, at 8:51:11
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/002-2674936-1550424?ie=UTF8&nodeId=596190
no can't import .. looks like its still the same
that international direct they have started is noi the best either.. iherb used that last time with me(similar).. the courier just directed my vitaminB etc to quarantine (even though there was no need to). I got it the next day, but still with a $49.50? quarantine fee for nothing..one gets the fee even if it passes and it shouldn't be sent there. It's just an inspection fee for them having to cut open the parcel as the detailed list of contents is not on the outside.
The courier stated that they automatically direct all parcels marked "nutritional supps" to quarantine, and quarantine said they will intercept parcels marked accordingly!
I attempted to provide a list of items in parcel to courier(and requested iherb a few times too both with order and before the order, but only one reply to email which didn't address the issue at the time) and was never asked for contents list when parcel arrive in Oz as I have been by customs on a previos order.. it seems its automated now!
New iherb owners refuse to detail order on outside of parcel and say they mark all parcel as "nutrional supplements"..iherb used to give a detailed list on outside of parcel, sigh. Now say they are automated.. used to be automated to provide a detailed list...
The courier pays on your behalf and then you have to pay them.
I have exchanged a few emails on this topic with them , LOL.
Posted by LOOPS on October 30, 2006, at 7:27:22
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression tealady » Jlx, posted by tealady on October 28, 2006, at 16:06:37
Hi tealady -
very sorry to hear about the problems you're having getting hold of decent supplements - it is terrible!
Is it possible to buy the magnesium chloride crystals in the pharmacy at all? ALso I know you've probably looked a thousand times, but are there no on-line Australian suppliers for supplements?
Ironically I buy things from New Zealand (I live in Chile) and find they get here much faster and without any ado than from Europe or US. But that is still NZ and not for Mg.
Can the doctor agree to give you a prescription for IV magnesium? (I know, doubtful). Or even for oral magnesium chloride solution, or those Mag-Tab SR? Those things are usually available in pharmacies worldwide although are hidden away on the back-shelves (are here anyway).
I hope you have more luck finding some good Mg - it sounds like you could really benefit.
Loops
Posted by tealady on November 13, 2006, at 3:09:29
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression tealady, posted by LOOPS on October 30, 2006, at 7:27:22
> Hi tealady -
Hiya Loops,It was nice to see you about again. I've always enjoyed your posts.
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> very sorry to hear about the problems you're having getting hold of decent supplements - it is terrible!
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> Is it possible to buy the magnesium chloride crystals in the pharmacy at all? ALso I know you've probably looked a thousand times, but are there no on-line Australian suppliers for supplements?
>I did make up a kinda MgCl mix (the supp itself was unavailable easily). I used some MgSO4(epsom salts and mixed with NaCl (salt) then cystallised and squeezed off liquid which would make a MgCl2, epsom salt mix with NaSO4 and NaCl I guess.. maybe got rid of some Na with the recystallisation(that was the idea) , maybe not..
I've forgotten exactly what I did now. It sure tasted extremely salty though..
I mostly used it in cooking , like in porridge or adding to stews etcI took this for a while a few years ago
I also ordered some MgCl as a filler in some DHEA I got a chemist to make up for me once.. but the MgCl is very hydroscopic(draws water to it).. the capules melted..even kept in the fridge with other dessicants like silica gel (in paper) as well.
So I guess that's why pure MgCl supps are not that popular.
I did do a big push for a MgCl liquid supp though , which would work well and never go off if pure water was used!, and I have seen that a round now.. but not here !
They do use MgCl as a liquid to spray broccoli (and some other veges) to maintain colour and freshness(as a preservative) in Australia.
That's what happens to some that is extracted from the salt.. you can't have the salt being too hydroscopic I guess, sigh.
So I like to think I'm at least getting some on my broccoli!Thing is with the epsom salts, I can't tolerate too much sulfates (or sulfites) of any type even Mg (or ZnSO4).
> Ironically I buy things from New Zealand (I live in Chile) and find they get here much faster and without any ado than from Europe or US. But that is still NZ and not for Mg.
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> Can the doctor agree to give you a prescription for IV magnesium? (I know, doubtful). Or even for oral magnesium chloride solution, or those Mag-Tab SR? Those things are usually available in pharmacies worldwide although are hidden away on the back-shelves (are here anyway).
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> I hope you have more luck finding some good Mg - it sounds like you could really benefit.
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> LoopsThanks Loops:)
Posted by LOOPS on November 13, 2006, at 7:40:28
In reply to Re: Magnesium for depression tealady » LOOPS, posted by tealady on November 13, 2006, at 3:09:29
Hi tealady -
I also made up my own solution with the chloride form - it said to dilute the 30g packet in a litre of water, but instead I diluted it in a small amount of water and put into a dropper bottle. Then I just measured out a few of these drops when needed. It worked quite well but I could never really be sure of the amount I was getting as - get this - it was UNMARKED on the packet from the pharmacy - no concentration - zip.
I also bought the Trace Minerals research drops which I think I've found more potent than taking pills. Obviously you get less overall magnesium, but it seems to have a bigger impact somehow. The bottle seems to last forever also. I suppose it is more like drinking high Mg water if you add it to your tea etc. Also with this route it is easier to avoid taking too much at once and getting the runs.
I hope you get hold of some soon. Right now I'm still doing the several days taking both Mg + Ca, then a day or so of just Mg. I do think it's true that Ca can build up in the body, even if Mg is taken alongside (although much less if Mg is absorbed), but it is also needed (for me). Seems I build up my Ca then get rid of any excess with a day of just Mg.
I was wondering at one point if I should just ditch them both, or just take a little Mg - but I would not like to end up back on sleeping pills and feeling like I can't just sit down and read a book etc. I think my neurotic family are all low in magnesium too. And none of them smoke or drink, so it would be unwise to stop I think.
Loops
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