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Posted by twinmom on July 27, 2004, at 10:22:35
Sorry to ask again but I have added several more vitamin supplements - I know I should probably go more slowy on introducing things - but I just get so excited by reading all the archives here - I feel I have been really missing out on this!
So here is what I am taking :
Selenium 200mg Morning
Zinc 25 mg Morning
B-12 515mcg Morning
Vitamin C 1150 mg
*Thiamin 100mg Morning
*Riboflavin 20 mg Morning
*Niacin 25 mg Morning
*B-6 2 mg Morning
*Folic Acid 400mcg Morning
*Biotin 30 mcg Morning
*Pantothenic Acid 5.5 mg Morning
Vitamin E 400 I.U,
Fish Oil 3 Grams
Vitamin A 5000 I.U.
Vitamin D 400 I.U.
Calcium 424 mg
Magnesium 256 mg
Choride 746 mg
obiviously the ones with morning beside them I am currently taking in the morning - as for the others - I just bought them last night so I am not sure when to take them, and the ones beginning with * are all in 1 b-complex.So - can you please take a moment and give me opinions (escpecially Larry) on when you suggest taking these - and as always do the dosages look good and is there anything else you feel is important to add.
Thanks so Much!
Twinmom
Posted by tealady on July 27, 2004, at 19:49:33
In reply to One mor question about tim eto take vitamins, posted by twinmom on July 27, 2004, at 10:22:35
> Sorry to ask again but I have added several more vitamin supplements - I know I should probably go more slowy on introducing things - but I just get so excited by reading all the archives here - I feel I have been really missing out on this!
>
> So here is what I am taking :
> Selenium 200mg Morning
> Zinc 25 mg Morning
> B-12 515mcg Morning
> Vitamin C 1150 mg
> *Thiamin 100mg Morning
> *Riboflavin 20 mg Morning
> *Niacin 25 mg Morning
> *B-6 2 mg Morning
> *Folic Acid 400mcg Morning
> *Biotin 30 mcg Morning
> *Pantothenic Acid 5.5 mg MorningVitamin E 400 I.U, together with fish oil
Fish Oil 3 Grams together with Vit Etake these with your "highest protein-oil" meal of the day...lunch or dinner..as soon as you finish eating them. Start at only 1 gram fish oil..
By "high protein-oil" I mean fish, meat,eggs etc
Vitamin A 5000 I.U.
Vitamin D 400 I.U.
Don't take these in your summer(few weks in winter only if you live in a cold climate..and even then not daily)..VitA is toxic if they build up too much in your body..and some forms hypos have trouble in utilizing
Calcium 424 mg
Magnesium 256 mg
Choride 746 mg
I assume these are together in a tablet...bedtime is best.
Couple of things to add..did you get a test for ferritin as yet? That is probably one of the most important things to try for you...please read the links, If you follow thru the posts I mentioned to read before..and even other posts in the thread on ferritin I pointed out..or better still go to that thyroid forum (by clicking on the link I menioned) and start reading...
since posting that and emailing some people quite a batch of research articles have been published which kinda back up my thoughts...and now some (or at least one endo) are recognising the importance..great to see!
www.goodhormonehealth.com (this endo is well respected) Iron Deficiency and Fatigue linkI agree with BarbaraCat on the danger of high iron levels and the importance of testing iron including ferritin levels first.. mentioned that in my posts to you. There are other dangers from high iron levels as well..like predispositon to diabetes2..
I didn't reply to your query about adrenals (..like what of?? cortisol??)
as I have no idea why you think yours are high ..blood tests 8AM and 4PM?..saliva test 4 times a day? or just suspect?
...but if they are high normal range in the morning only..In my opinion ONLY that is pretty healthy place to be when starting thyroid meds maybe(NB> I'm not medically qualified and nothing to back this up)
..it's when you keep under continual stress for a LONG PERIOD and your cortisol goes low that is more difficult (IMO again )Best thing you can do for your adrenals is stay away from stress as much as possible...eat whole unprocessed type foods..like real fruit/veges/meat, exercise to your capacity..like a short walk if possible ..and rest as much as possible..put yourself first (I KNOW ..difficult with "terrible twos" but try and get some time alone by putting yourself first sometimes..it's IMPORTANT)
ANd if you do have high adrenals then you had best leave this to your endo and do not try the tyrsoine or VitC either except on his advise of course! (just eat some fruit)
Selenium..if you live in most parts of the US, I would drop to 100mcg daily now for a week or two..and perhaps even to 50mcg daily long term. (females need a lot less than males..especially male studs<grin>)
Hope this helps..
Posted by twinmom on July 27, 2004, at 21:05:16
In reply to Re: One mor question about tim eto take vitamins » twinmom, posted by tealady on July 27, 2004, at 19:49:33
Thank you SO much - it helps immensely. I haven't had any more test done yet - I have an appointment with an endocrinologist in October - But now I will have a whole list of things to talk to him about! Not just "hmmmm I am not feeling well" :)
As far as the adrenal and cortisol goes - I was probably just grasping at straws on that - so I will wait until I see the Dr. before getting any tyrsoine and I never would have guessed on the vitamin C - I thought that one was always recommened high - I had a suspicion about the A & D...and I live in Texas - so no real cold weather here :)I have been reading a lot of the previuos thread you mentioned (and posted links to) and they are really helping give me some knowledge on where to go from here - so I think for now I will take your advise on the vitamins and then just wait until October - who knows by then I may be feeling so much better from just the vitamins.
Oh and excersise - I am absolutely inactive these days (office Job) - well I do chase some two year old - more often I just lay in the floor and let them play on me! So excersise if certainly an area I HAVE to get better in - as soon as it starts getting a little cooler I will stick the kids in the stroller and walk - until then I think if I just spend 15 - 20 minutes dancing to the Wiggles (if you don't have toddlers don't even worry about getting this reference - I know I wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago!) I'm sure the kids would think it was quite funny - WEll except my 15 year old - he would probably be SOOO embarassed for me - or by me - even if no one could possibly see me.
Anyway thanks for listening again - after 9 years on numerous AD's I am finally trying to open my eyes a little and realize there is probably more going on, So I now have my Pdoc, who seems very good, a real thearpist for the first time (not just some one to chat with for an hour once a week - which is what happened the only 2 times I ever tried that) and soon I will have an endocrinologist - I think between the four of us maybe we finally get me some relief.
Well thanks for reading if you got this far - I very much appreciate your taking the time to respond.
Posted by tealady on July 30, 2004, at 7:26:02
In reply to Re: One more question about time to take vitamins » tealady, posted by twinmom on July 27, 2004, at 21:05:16
> Thank you SO much - it helps immensely. I haven't had any more test done yet - I have an appointment with an endocrinologist in October - But now I will have a whole list of things to talk to him about! Not just "hmmmm I am not feeling well" :)
Docs usually hate it if you go to them and say..I've got..it's way better to just tell them your symptoms..and then IF they don't suggest anything along the lins you may be thinking..then suggest what do you think of this idea..its best usually not to mention the net..but if you can print of a scientific article that refers to your symptoms, some people find this helps sometimes (it gives the doc an idea of what one is talking about if nothing else <grin>)
What some of us find is helpful is to spend a few weeks making a list of your symptoms..and take this to the appointment with you...I always forget what is wrong with me otherwise..mind just goes blank when in the surgery... so that's an idea if you don't do it already (most hypos have lousy short term memories and I'm completely thrown in the docs surgery)
> As far as the adrenal and cortisol goes - I was probably just grasping at straws on that - so I will wait until I see the Dr. before getting any tyrsoine and I never would have guessed on the vitamin C - I thought that one was always recommened high - I had a suspicion about the A & D...and I live in Texas - so no real cold weather here :)
>
> I have been reading a lot of the previuos thread you mentioned (and posted links to) and they are really helping give me some knowledge on where to go from here - so I think for now I will take your advise on the vitamins and then just wait until October - who knows by then I may be feeling so much better from just the vitamins.
>
> Oh and excersise - I am absolutely inactive these days (office Job) - well I do chase some two year old - more often I just lay in the floor and let them play on me! So excersise if certainly an area I HAVE to get better in - as soon as it starts getting a little cooler I will stick the kids in the stroller and walk - until then I think if I just spend 15 - 20 minutes dancing to the Wiggles (if you don't have toddlers don't even worry about getting this reference - I know I wouldn't have had a clue 3 years ago!) I'm sure the kids would think it was quite funny - WEll except my 15 year old - he would probably be SOOO embarassed for me - or by me - even if no one could possibly see me.
>yeah, I'm educated, I know the wiggles..and I've got a 15 yr old nephew who'd lead the way,(he takes kids classes in Tae Kwon Doe)
I like to walk in the evening in summer..tad cooler
> Anyway thanks for listening again - after 9 years on numerous AD's I am finally trying to open my eyes a little and realize there is probably more going on, So I now have my Pdoc, who seems very good, a real thearpist for the first time (not just some one to chat with for an hour once a week - which is what happened the only 2 times I ever tried that) and soon I will have an endocrinologist - I think between the four of us maybe we finally get me some relief.
>sounds good..good luck
> Well thanks for reading if you got this far - I very much appreciate your taking the time to respond.
If it was me, I'd get that test for ferritin ASAP(your local doc should be able to order one or you can order one yourself if you want to pay f you live in Texas I think)..as it could be that alone that may cause your problems(wishful thinking , but it's possible)..including psychiatric...one clue is do you get heavy longish periods(common with TSH above 3)..this may deplete your iron store.
Also the iron supps alone could be your whole answer..and you need to try for at least 3 months(it usually atkes at least 6 months and longer to build levels up)..so it would be great if you could find out now ..one way or the other.
In the meantime..it's great to see you've started on the vits /minerals etc.Do you notice any difference as yet with the selenium or zinc or the combo you havew been taking..?
Oh, and the reason I suggested cutting from 200mcg to 100mcg selenium this week was I think every female I have heard of in the US found 200mcg was too high(all happy between 50 to 75 mcg I think)..at 200mcg dose it makes you feel more hypo..but it takes a few days to build up usually. One sign is sometimes a metallic taste in your mouth.For males 75mcg-200mcg is fine..and if you live in other places..like NZ, Europe, England your dose need is higher..it depends on the soil content of where your food is mostly sourced. So a male living in Europe may be fine on 150-200mcg.
The appropriate dose (as with most supps/hormones/meds) also varies with your build.
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