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Posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
Just a random thought,please re-direct it,i dont even know how to go to social babble,which is where id maybe assume this post should go.
Anyway i just wanted to ask,or note,that one thing that kinda disturbs me a bit are sometimes,and this is on other groups as well,you have a person who is totaly not part of the community.
You dont see them occasionaly just to simply swing by and offer some advice,with no mention of there personal plight,but rather just show they are there,since they take from the groups.
Dont get me wrong,you do see the offer advice,but sure enough there is promised to be at least one,if not many of there own posts,about problems or help they need.I know there is nothing wrong with this as no one has to be a literal part of this community,but i dunno i kinda see it as a bad value to only pop around soley when u need to post information on yourself,answering a post or two then,only then,getting responses and dissapearing.
i also ,and again dont get me wrong,im in so much favor of anyone who succeeds in feeling better,but personaly if i am i take heed that im on a group where a large marjority of people are NOT,and i will be humble in sharing my success.I have the whole world to yell from the roof tops in bliss,but here id rather just share my success,and over showing a great ego i instead would rather use my success to present hope that getting better is an option.
Posting with great praise and stride just i dunno,i would feel as if im rubbing itin peoples faces,id remeber there are a lot,LOT of people suffering who are reading my post,and id share my success while being modest and humble in the hopes of encouraging the reader as opposed to making them feel like a broken toy.I dont know,i hope this is not taken the wrong way,again i am filled with joy when anyone,including myself,is feeling better,even if its a temp remission,but again with the sensativity and suffering on this group id choose to share it with all calm,and modesty,i wouldent wanna run around like a kid yelling NA NA NA NA IM OK NOW im th best on the block,the king of the block.
Anyone today is a day of remission,and rain looks far away,im off to make the most of it,please re-direct as needed,thanks in advance for doing so.
Posted by pseudoname on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to Where does this go....., posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 7:35:10
I strongly disagree with your statements that I understood.
> you have a person who is totaly not part of the community.
There are no people, willyee, NONE, who post on Babble who are "not part of the community". By definition. I don't know what you intend by "totaly". If I used the language of the PBCs I would say, "Please don't imply that any of your fellow Babblers are not part of the community."
I can imagine, for example, what someone like Ace, reading your post (which was immediately following his on the list and just 2 hours later), might conclude applying it to his. As an example.
But Ace posted here long before you and has deep connections here and is thought of with affection and concern by a number of prominent longtime Babblers. His Babble bona fides exceeds that of almost anyone else. Willyee, NO ONE would be in a position to suggest that Ace is not in every way a part of this community, no matter what his current posting frequency or content.
So perhaps you wouldn't apply your objections to someone like Ace? But even if some other poster were not held in such high regard, nevertheless NO ONE would be in any position to suggest that she should not report her current success with meds on Babble or that she should temper her language in doing so. Also, NO ONE should discourage ANYONE ELSE from simply popping back in to say how she's doing. Just because one person may not want to read it doesn't mean that others aren't very interested to get her updates.
For example, when he's been gone from the boards for a while, *I* have privately been asked how Ace is doing! No one has yet asked me about you, nor do I imagine I would know what to tell them, but if you stopped posting for a while, shouldn't you be free to return just to give an update — without having your participation challenged?!
I'm sorry, but on repeated careful reading, I could not understand what you were talking about in some of your other paragraphs.
> I know there is nothing wrong with this as no one has to be a literal part of this community
Willyee, EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE IS A LITERAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. On what authority could someone label people otherwise!
> ,but i dunno i kinda see it as a bad value to only pop around soley when u need to post information on yourself
I'd say it would be a pretty bad value to discourage people from using Babble in the way they (to use your very appropriate term) NEED TO, in line with civility and topicality.
> I dont know,i hope this is not taken the wrong way
Your meaning comes through. That's what I'm responding to.
> ,again i am filled with joy when anyone,including myself,is feeling better
To my ear, feeling filled with joy doesn't perfectly accord with suggesting that people are not part of the community, that they don't post frequently enough and with the right sort of post to belong here, and that they should not freely share their current experiences.
Posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to EVERYONE is welcome to post » willyee, posted by pseudoname on July 13, 2006, at 9:10:12
> I strongly disagree with your statements that I understood.
>
> > you have a person who is totaly not part of the community.
>
> There are no people, willyee, NONE, who post on Babble who are "not part of the community". By definition. I don't know what you intend by "totaly". If I used the language of the PBCs I would say, "Please don't imply that any of your fellow Babblers are not part of the community."
>
> I can imagine, for example, what someone like Ace, reading your post (which was immediately following his on the list and just 2 hours later), might conclude applying it to his. As an example.
>
> But Ace posted here long before you and has deep connections here and is thought of with affection and concern by a number of prominent longtime Babblers. His Babble bona fides exceeds that of almost anyone else. Willyee, NO ONE would be in a position to suggest that Ace is not in every way a part of this community, no matter what his current posting frequency or content.
>
> So perhaps you wouldn't apply your objections to someone like Ace? But even if some other poster were not held in such high regard, nevertheless NO ONE would be in any position to suggest that she should not report her current success with meds on Babble or that she should temper her language in doing so. Also, NO ONE should discourage ANYONE ELSE from simply popping back in to say how she's doing. Just because one person may not want to read it doesn't mean that others aren't very interested to get her updates.
>
> For example, when he's been gone from the boards for a while, *I* have privately been asked how Ace is doing! No one has yet asked me about you, nor do I imagine I would know what to tell them, but if you stopped posting for a while, shouldn't you be free to return just to give an update — without having your participation challenged?!
>
> I'm sorry, but on repeated careful reading, I could not understand what you were talking about in some of your other paragraphs.
>
> > I know there is nothing wrong with this as no one has to be a literal part of this community
>
> Willyee, EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE IS A LITERAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. On what authority could someone label people otherwise!
>
> > ,but i dunno i kinda see it as a bad value to only pop around soley when u need to post information on yourself
>
> I'd say it would be a pretty bad value to discourage people from using Babble in the way they (to use your very appropriate term) NEED TO, in line with civility and topicality.
>
> > I dont know,i hope this is not taken the wrong way
>
> Your meaning comes through. That's what I'm responding to.
>
> > ,again i am filled with joy when anyone,including myself,is feeling better
>
> To my ear, feeling filled with joy doesn't perfectly accord with suggesting that people are not part of the community, that they don't post frequently enough and with the right sort of post to belong here, and that they should not freely share their current experiences.Your caps are to mean what? Im entitled to my opinion.
Posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post, posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 11:57:49
> > I strongly disagree with your statements that I understood.
> >Ok....this is fine..?
> > > you have a person who is totaly not part of the community.
> >
> > There are no people, willyee, NONE, who post on Babble who are "not part of the community". By definition. I don't know what you intend by "totaly". If I used the language of the PBCs I would say, "Please don't imply that any of your fellow Babblers are not part of the community."
> >
> > I can imagine, for example, what someone like Ace, reading your post (which was immediately following his on the list and just 2 hours later), might conclude applying it to his. As an example.
> >Well technicaly Ace has no buisness claming he is a "Nardil Champ" this in my OPINION mocks something as serious as taking medications,it`s not neccassary and should be on a social board,again in my OPINION.
> > But Ace posted here long before you and has deep connections here and is thought of with affection and concern by a number of prominent longtime Babblers. His Babble bona fides exceeds that of almost anyone else. Willyee, NO ONE would be in a position to suggest that Ace is not in every way a part of this community, no matter what his current posting frequency or content.First again i dont see the urge for you to use caps,but putting that aside even if you spoke for 99.9 percent of the people here,you still are not in a POSITION to say everyone yourself,since you OBVIOUSLY can not speak for everyone,know what i mean.
> >
> > So perhaps you wouldn't apply your objections to someone like Ace? But even if some other poster were not held in such high regard, nevertheless NO ONE would be in any position to suggest that she should not report her current success with meds on Babble or that she should temper her language in doing so. Also, NO ONE should discourage ANYONE ELSE from simply popping back in to say how she's doing. Just because one person may not want to read it doesn't mean that others aren't very interested to get her updates.
Are you stating your opinion here,or telling me a fact,your cap use again and again confuse me to whether or not your speaking on opinion,putting that aside yet again,i believe im entitled to a general opinion,i did not state aces name,now if you want to place Aces name there and how he constantly claims to be a Nardil Champ,and assuming im refierring to him,well thats your assumption,but these words were not typed by me so i dont see why your mentioning it.
> >
> > For example, when he's been gone from the boards for a while, *I* have privately been asked how Ace is doing! No one has yet asked me about you, nor do I imagine I would know what to tell them, but if you stopped posting for a while, shouldn't you be free to return just to give an update — without having your participation challenged?!
> >
Ok,i have been emailed by members here,i have been asked by members here to turn on my babble mail,i have members here i speak to on personal instant messages,just because i dont post the people i associate with here on a personal level does not mean i dont,this would be my reply to what seems to be,oh and i could be mistaken,but an assumption that well no one cares about me and definatly not as they do Ace?> > I'm sorry, but on repeated careful reading, I could not understand what you were talking about in some of your other paragraphs.
> >
> > > I know there is nothing wrong with this as no one has to be a literal part of this community
> >
> > Willyee, EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE IS A LITERAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. On what authority could someone label people otherwise!
> >
Ok ill admit i should have made it clear it was soly my opinion of this,having said this now,again im entitled to my opinion and again lol what is up with the constant caps,are you ok?> > > ,but i dunno i kinda see it as a bad value to only pop around soley when u need to post information on yourself
> >
> > I'd say it would be a pretty bad value to discourage people from using Babble in the way they (to use your very appropriate term) NEED TO, in line with civility and topicality.
> >
> > > I dont know,i hope this is not taken the wrong way
> >
> > Your meaning comes through. That's what I'm responding to.
> >
> > > ,again i am filled with joy when anyone,including myself,is feeling better
> >
> > To my ear, feeling filled with joy doesn't perfectly accord with suggesting that people are not part of the community, that they don't post frequently enough and with the right sort of post to belong here, and that they should not freely share their current experiences.
>Ok youre taking a term i placed of my opinion,and pretty much repeating it,second i did not state no one should not post here,and i CERTAINLY did not post they should not share successes......please dont spin my words to things i clearly did not say,what i DID say actualy was i personaly feel people who are sharing there success should do so with the knowledge that many are not,the majority they posting too actualy,and that i personaly would use modesty knowing this when i do share my success.
My opinion of this is not as you mistakenly say i claim DISCOURGAING anyone from sharing success,i purposly posted this is a great thing for someone to do.
Im sorry you felt the need to use so many caps,but i did not post this to a specific person,and i did not state any rules or regualtions one MUST follow,i simply stated a personal opinion,i do so with respect.
I understand you feel stongly to my views,i dont however feel this gives you the right to fill your posts with caps all over,and personaly address this to me.
Im sorry if you are upset,but i really doesent change a single thing about how i feel,i again feel someone in remission or doing well should take note of where there posting,and be hunble and gracious in there sharing,and i believe im entitled to my opinion?
Im not here to be liked,i come here to share information,and get information,and to follow the rules as much as i can,as far as i know stating a personal general view is doing just that.
Im sorry you felt the strong need to use caps,any caps i used in my response were to show a relation to where i believe you mistook me.I do not feel the need to respond to you with caps,well because you are also entitled to your opinion,just please make sure you are not twisting my words,as in stating i discouraged the sharing of success stories when i clearly stated in my post i was in favor,total favor of this.
Posted by Crazy Horse on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post, posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 11:57:49
> > I strongly disagree with your statements that I understood.
> >
> > > you have a person who is totaly not part of the community.
> >
> > There are no people, willyee, NONE, who post on Babble who are "not part of the community". By definition. I don't know what you intend by "totaly". If I used the language of the PBCs I would say, "Please don't imply that any of your fellow Babblers are not part of the community."
> >
> > I can imagine, for example, what someone like Ace, reading your post (which was immediately following his on the list and just 2 hours later), might conclude applying it to his. As an example.
> >
> > But Ace posted here long before you and has deep connections here and is thought of with affection and concern by a number of prominent longtime Babblers. His Babble bona fides exceeds that of almost anyone else. Willyee, NO ONE would be in a position to suggest that Ace is not in every way a part of this community, no matter what his current posting frequency or content.
> >
> > So perhaps you wouldn't apply your objections to someone like Ace? But even if some other poster were not held in such high regard, nevertheless NO ONE would be in any position to suggest that she should not report her current success with meds on Babble or that she should temper her language in doing so. Also, NO ONE should discourage ANYONE ELSE from simply popping back in to say how she's doing. Just because one person may not want to read it doesn't mean that others aren't very interested to get her updates.
> >
> > For example, when he's been gone from the boards for a while, *I* have privately been asked how Ace is doing! No one has yet asked me about you, nor do I imagine I would know what to tell them, but if you stopped posting for a while, shouldn't you be free to return just to give an update — without having your participation challenged?!
> >
> > I'm sorry, but on repeated careful reading, I could not understand what you were talking about in some of your other paragraphs.
> >
> > > I know there is nothing wrong with this as no one has to be a literal part of this community
> >
> > Willyee, EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE IS A LITERAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. On what authority could someone label people otherwise!
> >
> > > ,but i dunno i kinda see it as a bad value to only pop around soley when u need to post information on yourself
> >
> > I'd say it would be a pretty bad value to discourage people from using Babble in the way they (to use your very appropriate term) NEED TO, in line with civility and topicality.
> >
> > > I dont know,i hope this is not taken the wrong way
> >
> > Your meaning comes through. That's what I'm responding to.
> >
> > > ,again i am filled with joy when anyone,including myself,is feeling better
> >
> > To my ear, feeling filled with joy doesn't perfectly accord with suggesting that people are not part of the community, that they don't post frequently enough and with the right sort of post to belong here, and that they should not freely share their current experiences.
>
> Your caps are to mean what? Im entitled to my opinion.
Yea, Willyee you are entitled to your opinion, just like i am, just like everyone is. But i strongly agree with pseudoname. And you know not everyone who posts something "POSITIVE" is trying to put it in the face of others who are not doing so well. I for one post when i am doing well to give others hope, i quite frankly tire of reading nothing but negative posts, however people are entitled to post about how awful they are doing, as well as people are entitled to post about how well they are doing...that's what Psycho Babble is all about, supporting one another whether one is doing bad or doing well. I for one like to read posts of people doing well, it brightens my day when oe of my "fellow sufferers" is finally getting some relief.Monte
Posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post » willyee, posted by Crazy Horse on July 13, 2006, at 12:40:19
> > > I strongly disagree with your statements that I understood.
> > >
> > > > you have a person who is totaly not part of the community.
> > >
> > > There are no people, willyee, NONE, who post on Babble who are "not part of the community". By definition. I don't know what you intend by "totaly". If I used the language of the PBCs I would say, "Please don't imply that any of your fellow Babblers are not part of the community."
> > >
> > > I can imagine, for example, what someone like Ace, reading your post (which was immediately following his on the list and just 2 hours later), might conclude applying it to his. As an example.
> > >
> > > But Ace posted here long before you and has deep connections here and is thought of with affection and concern by a number of prominent longtime Babblers. His Babble bona fides exceeds that of almost anyone else. Willyee, NO ONE would be in a position to suggest that Ace is not in every way a part of this community, no matter what his current posting frequency or content.
> > >
> > > So perhaps you wouldn't apply your objections to someone like Ace? But even if some other poster were not held in such high regard, nevertheless NO ONE would be in any position to suggest that she should not report her current success with meds on Babble or that she should temper her language in doing so. Also, NO ONE should discourage ANYONE ELSE from simply popping back in to say how she's doing. Just because one person may not want to read it doesn't mean that others aren't very interested to get her updates.
> > >
> > > For example, when he's been gone from the boards for a while, *I* have privately been asked how Ace is doing! No one has yet asked me about you, nor do I imagine I would know what to tell them, but if you stopped posting for a while, shouldn't you be free to return just to give an update — without having your participation challenged?!
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, but on repeated careful reading, I could not understand what you were talking about in some of your other paragraphs.
> > >
> > > > I know there is nothing wrong with this as no one has to be a literal part of this community
> > >
> > > Willyee, EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE IS A LITERAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. On what authority could someone label people otherwise!
> > >
> > > > ,but i dunno i kinda see it as a bad value to only pop around soley when u need to post information on yourself
> > >
> > > I'd say it would be a pretty bad value to discourage people from using Babble in the way they (to use your very appropriate term) NEED TO, in line with civility and topicality.
> > >
> > > > I dont know,i hope this is not taken the wrong way
> > >
> > > Your meaning comes through. That's what I'm responding to.
> > >
> > > > ,again i am filled with joy when anyone,including myself,is feeling better
> > >
> > > To my ear, feeling filled with joy doesn't perfectly accord with suggesting that people are not part of the community, that they don't post frequently enough and with the right sort of post to belong here, and that they should not freely share their current experiences.
> >
> > Your caps are to mean what? Im entitled to my opinion.
>
>
> Yea, Willyee you are entitled to your opinion, just like i am, just like everyone is. But i strongly agree with pseudoname. And you know not everyone who posts something "POSITIVE" is trying to put it in the face of others who are not doing so well. I for one post when i am doing well to give others hope, i quite frankly tire of reading nothing but negative posts, however people are entitled to post about how awful they are doing, as well as people are entitled to post about how well they are doing...that's what Psycho Babble is all about, supporting one another whether one is doing bad or doing well. I for one like to read posts of people doing well, it brightens my day when oe of my "fellow sufferers" is finally getting some relief.
>
> Monte
>
Guy where in the world did u get the impression i dont,my opinion i placed was that i personaly would use more modesty when im feeling better whe i share here,i have the world to holla YAAAAAAA too,id rather share it humbly here,in a more constructive way as to show yess people do get better,as opposed to just shouting praises.Either way one chooses to do so is fine,its just my opinion,but let it be known that believing i do not ENCOURAGE sharing of success,is a absolute misinterpation and i would hope the postings i have inputed in would show that.
Do you really believe id be aganist sharing success,and being happy about it? Not a chance
Posted by Crazy Horse on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post, posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 13:09:15
> > > > I strongly disagree with your statements that I understood.
> > > >
> > > > > you have a person who is totaly not part of the community.
> > > >
> > > > There are no people, willyee, NONE, who post on Babble who are "not part of the community". By definition. I don't know what you intend by "totaly". If I used the language of the PBCs I would say, "Please don't imply that any of your fellow Babblers are not part of the community."
> > > >
> > > > I can imagine, for example, what someone like Ace, reading your post (which was immediately following his on the list and just 2 hours later), might conclude applying it to his. As an example.
> > > >
> > > > But Ace posted here long before you and has deep connections here and is thought of with affection and concern by a number of prominent longtime Babblers. His Babble bona fides exceeds that of almost anyone else. Willyee, NO ONE would be in a position to suggest that Ace is not in every way a part of this community, no matter what his current posting frequency or content.
> > > >
> > > > So perhaps you wouldn't apply your objections to someone like Ace? But even if some other poster were not held in such high regard, nevertheless NO ONE would be in any position to suggest that she should not report her current success with meds on Babble or that she should temper her language in doing so. Also, NO ONE should discourage ANYONE ELSE from simply popping back in to say how she's doing. Just because one person may not want to read it doesn't mean that others aren't very interested to get her updates.
> > > >
> > > > For example, when he's been gone from the boards for a while, *I* have privately been asked how Ace is doing! No one has yet asked me about you, nor do I imagine I would know what to tell them, but if you stopped posting for a while, shouldn't you be free to return just to give an update — without having your participation challenged?!
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry, but on repeated careful reading, I could not understand what you were talking about in some of your other paragraphs.
> > > >
> > > > > I know there is nothing wrong with this as no one has to be a literal part of this community
> > > >
> > > > Willyee, EVERYONE WHO POSTS HERE IS A LITERAL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. On what authority could someone label people otherwise!
> > > >
> > > > > ,but i dunno i kinda see it as a bad value to only pop around soley when u need to post information on yourself
> > > >
> > > > I'd say it would be a pretty bad value to discourage people from using Babble in the way they (to use your very appropriate term) NEED TO, in line with civility and topicality.
> > > >
> > > > > I dont know,i hope this is not taken the wrong way
> > > >
> > > > Your meaning comes through. That's what I'm responding to.
> > > >
> > > > > ,again i am filled with joy when anyone,including myself,is feeling better
> > > >
> > > > To my ear, feeling filled with joy doesn't perfectly accord with suggesting that people are not part of the community, that they don't post frequently enough and with the right sort of post to belong here, and that they should not freely share their current experiences.
> > >
> > > Your caps are to mean what? Im entitled to my opinion.
> >
> >
> > Yea, Willyee you are entitled to your opinion, just like i am, just like everyone is. But i strongly agree with pseudoname. And you know not everyone who posts something "POSITIVE" is trying to put it in the face of others who are not doing so well. I for one post when i am doing well to give others hope, i quite frankly tire of reading nothing but negative posts, however people are entitled to post about how awful they are doing, as well as people are entitled to post about how well they are doing...that's what Psycho Babble is all about, supporting one another whether one is doing bad or doing well. I for one like to read posts of people doing well, it brightens my day when oe of my "fellow sufferers" is finally getting some relief.
> >
> > Monte
> >
>
>
> Guy where in the world did u get the impression i dont,my opinion i placed was that i personaly would use more modesty when im feeling better whe i share here,i have the world to holla YAAAAAAA too,id rather share it humbly here,in a more constructive way as to show yess people do get better,as opposed to just shouting praises.
>
> Either way one chooses to do so is fine,its just my opinion,but let it be known that believing i do not ENCOURAGE sharing of success,is a absolute misinterpation and i would hope the postings i have inputed in would show that.
>
>
> Do you really believe id be aganist sharing success,and being happy about it? Not a chance
>
>
Hey, you do it your way, Myself and others will do it our way. Neither way is wrong or right. We all have our own unique styles. Your initial thread could easily be interpreted as a personal issue with people who like to share their success stories in recovery from this miserable illness. Again, WE ARE ALL ENTITLED to our own opinions. And for me, enough already, i'm not going to argue or feel like i have to defend my opinion(s) any further. I do wish you the best, however.Monte
Posted by kizzie on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post » willyee, posted by Crazy Horse on July 13, 2006, at 12:40:19
I am definately one of the people you talk about. I have posted a couple of questions and had very kind responses. I read the site all the time but have really only responded to a couple of threads and I do feel guilty about that. The reason I have 'helped' more is because I just feel like I know enough to be able to help others. My experience is very limited with medications and I just dont feel that i can really help. But it doesnt mean that i dont care about the people who post here.
Hope that makes sense.
Kizzex
Posted by kizzie on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post, posted by kizzie on July 13, 2006, at 13:25:24
Sorry -should have 'HAVENT helped more'
Posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:28
Ok fine,lol rather than hold my tongue in fear of being blocked or banned,which i dont,im going to simply state the meaning of my post.
This is mainly so people dont feel i believe they shouldent post because they might not have anything to offer or the like.
OK.....people are blocked,banned when they are "believed" to have said something that **could** be offending to others.
Well Aces continued use of the Term NARDIL CHAMP in referral to his drug has/does deeply offend me.To me it is a mockery of a serious drug,and a serious condition to which the drug treats.
Perhaps since i find klonopin to work for me i should claim to be the Klonopin king.
This claim is childish,and offensive to myself.Now im not a tight %$%#$ and if it was used now and then id have no issue,but his constant over use of this term,even placed in a way that not reading the actual post doesent avoid having to see it,well again offends me deeply,its a social term and should not be on this board,or allowed.Now what happens when im the only one offened,hmm i become some sort of enemy?
I also dont agree with how fast people are re directed to social when people like and well lesson learned ill say names rather than be polite and not.....
People like phillipa are allowed to insert themself in every single post,with an OVERWHELMING PERCENT of the conent again being soical oreinted,opposed to actual medication.
Ive seen cases where she reffered to ace as the champ,and her the queen,telling a poster to look ace up since hes the nardil champ?I mean come on,am i the only one that finds this absurd that he is claiming to be a nardil champ,i mean its truly offensive this is a drug not a game.
As i mentioned to,i dont believe people are being held to the same standards here,phillipa who if i choose to could post tons of post right here where it clearly belongs re directed to social,yet are not.
On the same note she is one of the first people to tell someone to re direct there post there.
Well you know what they say,u dont like it get on out,so i will,however anyone thinking im just speaking nonsense try to find a single thread in which phillpa is not in it,regardless if she is offfering anything,she has tons of ones where she is inserting a social aspect.
Why make a stink,well if u are gonna moderate than i believe everyone should be held to the same standard.
Also i dont believe it serves any purpose for Ace to highlight his self acclaimed nardil champ comment,it is highly offensive if u ask me,then again im not a parnate wizard i suppose.
Its becomming more grossly obvious that people are not being held to the same standards here.
Again before anyone replies just go down this page from top to bottom,find how many threads phillpa is not in,and the ones she is,find how many of them she is NOT prjecting a social aspect.
Whatever im sure it wont matter,so let ace continue to come by now and then,claim nardil is the only drug that really will work for anyone,shout how he is the nardil king,champ or whatever,even in caps on his subject not allowing the reader to avoid seeing it,let the moderateros block and warn who they choose,the hopefully the same layout being in place for a decade wont be a sign of the same way the entire board is run.
In my absence,i will be working hard on trying to figure out what is more childish,.....hmmm calling myself the parnate prince......or klonopin king.
Absurd
Posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:29
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post » willyee, posted by Crazy Horse on July 13, 2006, at 12:40:19
Well said when someone no longer posts all the time and state they are in remission I search to find what helped them achieve it and that's why I'm on so many threads trying to learn and offer support when needed. And it's kindda sad but someone leaves. As it feels like we're all friend here. Love Phillipa
Posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 16:32:29
Please if anyone can,forget my last postings,i wish everyone luck here,with me gone,or here,liked,or hated,we are all subject to fighting the same fight,and i know we all wish if we could,if we had the power,wed take away the suffering of a fellow sufferer in a heartbeat,i need to disappear appeat too much net time,good luck to every single person who wakes up either under the demons spell,or one step ahead,cheers and bless.
Posted by justy0urlaugh on July 13, 2006, at 16:55:13
In reply to Where does this go....., posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 7:35:10
got to be kidding?
Posted by MARTY on July 14, 2006, at 14:26:09
In reply to Re: Where does this go....., posted by justy0urlaugh on July 13, 2006, at 16:55:13
I think you are a good person, very intelligent individual who has been a great contributor to the forum. I really thing your nice. I dont think you're a bad person or that you are different than anyone else on the forum.I wouldn't like you to stop comming here, with us. plz stay.
I'd like to invite you on a reflection Willyee.
But first a note: From what I've seen, thread are redirected when they the first post is unrelated to psychopharmacology OR when a thread deviate onto another subject not related to meds and about everyone talk about this new subject.
From what I've seen, you've been mainly redirected when you started new threads unrelated to meds, and that's OKAY. BTW, do you realize that you even go to write it in your post that you doubt\know that you aint posting in the appropriate forum? and yet you complain to be redirected ? Phillipa mainly add post to threads already started. When she does it is sometimes (maybe most, yes) related mostly to the emotional side of what a person lives. I think the whole thread isn't redirected because the posts after hers are not relate mostly to the emotional side: She doesn't deviate the threads or start many threads not unrelated to meds. And she doesn't write "Eh you know what? I *think* that this post shouldn't be posted here, but I post it anyways." ..Can I ask you if you appreciate Phillipa for all the time she encouraged you and wish you the best ?
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Now.. About ACE.. How could it affects your mood is a total mystery to me. 'CHAMP' = 'CHAMPION' = someone who are championing something. ACE is championing the dosage of Nardil. He is the Nardil Champ because:
1. He ->MAY<- (Theory) not like to take the pill (Nardil is hard to be on for many reasons), and so making a little fun about it is a normal and VIABLE way to cope with it.
2. He is the one that has\had the highest known dosage of Nardil on psychobabble "in modern history". I assume you know that.
3. He does it also because it's NOT LOGICALLY PRONE TO OFFENSE ANYONE. Everyone needs to be carefull about things that are SUCEPTIBLE to offense other, but not sterilized everything and talk like robots.
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Community .. the way you describe your feeling about people comming and going etc. If you were the owner of this forum, would you instore a MERIT SYSTEM ? you get points for helping someone that you can use when you need help? you loose your point and membership when you dont come often? .. cause it sounds like it would be the only thing suceptible to be able to CONTROLS MEMBERS BEHAVIORS IN THE WAY YOU SEE FIT.
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Dont you think you demands too much to others ? Nobody's perfect here and nobody REQUIRE/ASK others to change their behavious, their nickname, points others (what you think is) unperfections. and do so IN PUBLIC. Yet there has already some people who got offended .. never saw them act like that, do you ?
Did you see me post in public a post asking you to changes your behaviors ? I guess it the right place to do so in a respectful way.
1. I dont like you post not meds related posts in the psychobabble forum. And I don't like the fact that you know your not supposed to (you write it in your post)
2. I find this offensive when you SEVERAL TIME try to convince some people that they have the same problems has you.. over and over and over.. in a way that is near 'an accusation': not everyone that is on Parnate is ADDICTED to it because you are.
3. I would prefer that you don't post when you're not really not a in condition to do so: sometimes you seems in a second state where you sometimes are rude/mean/crude (easy to spot: we often can't even understand what you wrote and several gramatical errors). If you are in this state and need help: PLZ DO SO, POST AND ASK. BUT.. if your on a substance (Alchool?) affecting your jugement and ability to communicate in a reasonnable way with others, plz wait before posting.
You never see me asking this to you in public because everyone, including me, should accept a certain level of incomfort regarding others behaviors. Get my point ?
And as I told you at the beginning of this post:
I think you are a good person, very intelligent individual who has been a great contributor to the forum. I really thing your nice. I dont think you're a bad person or that you are different than anyone else on the forum.I wouldn't like you to stop comming here, with us. plz stay.
Have a nice day,
Marty
Posted by willyee on July 15, 2006, at 1:40:57
In reply to Re: Where does this go..... Willyee, posted by MARTY on July 14, 2006, at 14:26:09
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> I think you are a good person, very intelligent individual who has been a great contributor to the forum. I really thing your nice. I dont think you're a bad person or that you are different than anyone else on the forum.
>
> I wouldn't like you to stop comming here, with us. plz stay.
>I appreciate your comments above,all i can say is i know im a nice person,the situation here did not lead me to believe otherwise,as to being intelligent,or having contributed here,all i can say is to the latter i tried,to the first,well thats always up for debate,and persons feeling im not is an ok opinion with me.Me choosing to leave does not or has not caused me to believe im a mean or bad person,i know my heart and my intentions always.
> I'd like to invite you on a reflection Willyee.Ok............
>
> But first a note: From what I've seen, thread are redirected when they the first post is unrelated to psychopharmacology OR when a thread deviate onto another subject not related to meds and about everyone talk about this new subject.
> From what I've seen, you've been mainly redirected when you started new threads unrelated to meds, and that's OKAY. BTW, do you realize that you even go to write it in your post that you doubt\know that you aint posting in the appropriate forum? and yet you complain to be redirected ? Phillipa mainly add post to threads already started. When she does it is sometimes (maybe most, yes) related mostly to the emotional side of what a person lives. I think the whole thread isn't redirected because the posts after hers are not relate mostly to the emotional side: She doesn't deviate the threads or start many threads not unrelated to meds. And she doesn't write "Eh you know what? I *think* that this post shouldn't be posted here, but I post it anyways." ..I believe you have a lot of words up there that in the end dont really mean anything.I hardly post threads that are not somehow medication related,inside them at times are a mixture so i do invite the post to be re-directed,but hardly or at least un comparable to the opposite do i have post un related to medications.
The person phillipa is aside,truth remains the differance of my un related posts,whether started or not ,compared to phillipa,well isnt even possable the differance is uncomparable and that is a understatment at best.
>
> Can I ask you if you appreciate Phillipa for all the time she encouraged you and wish you the best ?I wish everyone the best,i wouldent wish this illness on my worst enemy,but this is what the social board is exactly for,i might have gave off a personal impression in the midst of proving a point,for that i feel terrable,but i did not want to confuse things as i did the first time when i witheld a name.
That being said,i was using her as an example to differences and what i believe is at many times an unfair balance of who and what is re-directed here,that being said,sweet and good of a person she is,doesent change the fact that if a majoriy of her post are not providing medication information,then they should be re-directed to the social board where they would be of more value,much more value as she does indeed offer incredable emotional support.
She simply does not offer medication information,and i am not saying this needs to be hoard upon tightly,again hating ,HATING the fact i have to apply her,she simply posts to a tremdondous amount of threads with no medication information,now are her posts important,OF COURSE,but they would be best utlized on a social board.
Lets not forget there are people,least i know some,who mean it when they opt to click this portion of the site opposed to the social one,they expect to discuss medication.
>
> ----------
>
> Now.. About ACE.. How could it affects your mood is a total mystery to me. 'CHAMP' = 'CHAMPION' = someone who are championing something. ACE is championing the dosage of Nardil. He is the Nardil Champ because:
>
> 1. He ->MAY<- (Theory) not like to take the pill (Nardil is hard to be on for many reasons), and so making a little fun about it is a normal and VIABLE way to cope with it.Im not a tight wad,im all for making light when possable,Ace has taken this form of nardil to an extreme,and constantly boasts about it.Your points of reasons of legitacy to why he does it honestly makes very little sense to me.They have nothing to do with a champion claim,nothing at all,and honestly i am offended,i am not just making a stink for the heck of it,this i promise.
You stated it remains a mystery to you,well ill try my best to give u my reasoning,once twice,fine,but to constantly claim this in the way he does to me makes a mockery of a serious drug who others are trying to use as well.Its just over done as far as a joke,my view.
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> 2. He is the one that has\had the highest known dosage of Nardil on psychobabble "in modern history". I assume you know that.
>There is a group,exisits on a simple google search,soly on nardil,users extremly experienced,Micheal bell if im not mistaken is a poster there,micheal if im wrong my apology,regardless as i stated users there are 20 years plus veterans of this drug.This being said,regardless of both are statements,are you actualy suggesting because Ace has used this medication in various degrees that it offers some actual legitmacy to his CHAMP claim,you can not actual even toy this idea can you.
BTW this is the link,and i have read this group,and i believe if we were childish enough to toy this theory of ace claiming to be a champion,well then this group would devour him,i dont believe he is active here much,i do know users on this group can make a nardil veterans head spin,some actualy created a liquid version of the drug,being able to syhtnesize the medication,id say that overides a champion claim,however that whole idea is totaly absurd anyway,and aces various use has absolutly no bearing on his claim which i hope you believe and ace is just humour.
here is the link
http://www.anxietyhelp.org/treatment/medication/nardil.html
> 3. He does it also because it's NOT LOGICALLY PRONE TO OFFENSE ANYONE. Everyone needs to be carefull about things that are SUCEPTIBLE to offense other, but not sterilized everything and talk like robots.
So why then am i ridiculed for my opinion?And actualy i am offended,literaly,so where does that leave us,one persons regard,i again say i for the reasons mentioned,am truly offended.
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> Community .. the way you describe your feeling about people comming and going etc. If you were the owner of this forum, would you instore a MERIT SYSTEM ? you get points for helping someone that you can use when you need help? you loose your point and membership when you dont come often? .. cause it sounds like it would be the only thing suceptible to be able to CONTROLS MEMBERS BEHAVIORS IN THE WAY YOU SEE FIT.
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>I mentioned i made a mistake in that comment,i apologize for it,in trying to reference to ace,i misatakenly made a comment that led others to believe something which i do not believe.So what i will do is first offer again my aplogies for that statement,and more importantly state how i one million times over feel.....
I do not believe someone who prefers to read,not post,someone who stumbles here for the first time,etc on and on should not feel they have the right to post,or feel they are part of this community,my true belief is it reaches out further,its not a babble community,but a illness support one.I was trying to be careful in how i present my post towards ace,and i made a mistake,however id rather be banned forever than to have the latter believed by people.
I can only apologize for a comment made in error,i can only state my true feelings,this doesent seem to stop anyone from usng my statement aganist me over and over,i suppose its up to the reader to decide about the comment,i offer my posts,my attitutde towards posters,to make this judgment.
> Dont you think you demands too much to others ? Nobody's perfect here and nobody REQUIRE/ASK others to change their behavious, their nickname, points others (what you think is) unperfections. and do so IN PUBLIC. Yet there has already some people who got offended .. never saw them act like that, do you ?
>
> Did you see me post in public a post asking you to changes your behaviors ? I guess it the right place to do so in a respectful way.
>
> 1. I dont like you post not meds related posts in the psychobabble forum. And I don't like the fact that you know your not supposed to (you write it in your post)I dont believe i have a pattern of this,in my post might be a mixture of sorts yess,but i believe the over whelming majority of my posts are medication related,and yess if the case were other wise,id totaly understand a post explaining this bothering someone.Phillpa has advised people many times to re direct there post,i was open to that same process,no one mentioned it,and i dont believe your claim is valid,as most of my posts always involved medication,maois more so.
>
> 2. I find this offensive when you SEVERAL TIME try to convince some people that they have the same problems has you.. over and over and over.. in a way that is near 'an accusation': not everyone that is on Parnate is ADDICTED to it because you are.This paragraph is one of the main reasons i choose to post this,i really do not appreciate comments about me that dont hold valid.First you are suggesting i attempt to convince people they have the same problem as me,i dont recall doing this ever,in fact i almost always end my posts stating this is simply my personal view or opinion,this first claim im totaly in awe to.If it was done i cant imagine it having been on a single or 2 time situation,but as a pattern,no,no way.And to say accuasation,im straight out offended by this,i never came close to accusing one of having the issues i do,i cant even toy the notion of how you came to that conslusion.
Parnate addicting,again i many many times expressed my concerns of being addicted to parnate,i usualy expressed what scared me most is not knowing if i was or not.
I dont believe i ever pressured the fact the drug was addicting in its own right,and i know because i made a point of this.......i never discouraged anyone from having it as an option.So again i dont know where u find this to be the case.If i stated which i have that i did wonder if parnate was an addicting drug,that is a valid worry on a medication board,however i never debated someone who might have objected to this idea,i in fact was actualy always looking for input and disccusion on it,others views on the exact question.
>
> 3. I would prefer that you don't post when you're not really not a in condition to do so: sometimes you seems in a second state where you sometimes are rude/mean/crude (easy to spot: we often can't even understand what you wrote and several gramatical errors). If you are in this state and need help: PLZ DO SO, POST AND ASK. BUT.. if your on a substance (Alchool?) affecting your jugement and ability to communicate in a reasonnable way with others, plz wait before posting.
>
> You never see me asking this to you in public because everyone, including me, should accept a certain level of incomfort regarding others behaviors. Get my point ?
>
> No aboslutly not,grammer yess,but hey,if my grammer is offensive,then unfortuantly one must choose not to be part of my posts,and i would not be offended if they asked me to not to post in regard to theres,reason being id agree totaly with no debate my grammer is horrid,more so because im sloppy than actualy bad.Nevertheless id be the first agreeing with them.The rest of your statements i find flat out rude,and offensive,and well lets just say to the degree i am is not even judged in terms of intenr postings,you are indirectly accusingme of being intoxicated....among whatever else you bounced around in that paragraph?
> And as I told you at the beginning of this post:
> I think you are a good person, very intelligent individual who has been a great contributor to the forum. I really thing your nice. I dont think you're a bad person or that you are different than anyone else on the forum.
>
> I wouldn't like you to stop comming here, with us. plz stay.
>
> Have a nice day,
> Marty
>You totaly ate me out in that last paragraph,grossly insulting me,i made my comments on a valid basis i was offended,you having listed many many insults i cant imagne being anything but that,you dont dig up stuff out of the wood work.
Now i apoligized to phillipa,not because i feel i was wrong,as i do believe her posts would serve more value on social,but simply because she is a great person,and i hated to have to name her and call her out,i dident want what happened in the first post to happen again and have people believing i meant them.
Id rather not have said anything in retrospect than to have to had mention her.
As far as Ace goes,what do u want me to do,say im not offended,i cant do that,i do believe one should take note of where there posting,and assure there invited success stories dont come out as a gloat.
Again its the continous basis on which he does this that caused me to post.I can imagine someone feeling better and posting here estatic,however ace has done this over and over,and i do feel he crosses the line of graciously,and hunmlbing offering his success as a encrougment to simply at times flat out boasting.
My archive posts serve who i am
--- A terrable speller,with over all horrid grammer.---- A humble person,always willing to offer a experiance,no matter how embarsing,or stupid i was to help someone avoid a mistake.
--- Always willing to share anything i knew about meds,even otc procuts,always be willing to accept more information,sls knows this as i have asked him tons of stuff.
--- Always showing encouragment to others,this situation is not gonna take that away from me,i know the truth,and if a gun was placed to my head id paste a ton of posts about such.
What i am not,and have not as you suggested..
--- Bluntly accused anyone of having any condition to which they objected,not so.
---- Discouraged anyone who suggested otherwise from using any medication,even ssris which i am personaly aganist.
---- Discouraged the use of parnate in particular.---- Made it a pattern to post about issues non medication related.Not to say i have never done it,but no where AT ALL near having it serve what im about here,anyone who reads my posts,knows im always talking about maois,as opposed to one who is mostly posting about emotional issues,the difference is plain and totaly drystal clear,me having done so a time or two does not serve valid.
Now i am grossly in awe of your last paragraph,why?Well i posted i was not going to come here,and i truly plan not to,so why then kick a man who can defend himself,you present a double edged sword,as if you respect me,and then attack me in just about any way u can,honetly i dont think you left out a single way you could go about knawing at me,you covered it all,and put a smily sticker on it by claiming i was wanted here.Do you not see your last paragraph,i had an issue with ace that at the least was real,acceptable,well thats what is a debate so to speak,you however make a claim that i am possably intoxicated,under an influenace,my god,i cant not believe you attmepted to serve this post in any postie light.
Well as i said my last belief again is NOT,i repeat not to discourage people from sharing success,that could not be further from the truth literaly,Rather i had an issue with a poster with a known patter "to me" of crossing the line of humality and boasting in a place where that can real serve as counter productive.
I posted i was gonna leave,let me leave,dont post about my character when im trying to let the group move on,ace of course would expected as i made comments on his character,phillpa the same,however in general i have been commened to,and have said i would leave as not to cause the group from swaying away from a real purpose which is support,and not squabble,however im not gonna sit and let someone tear at my character to a million pieaces,i as said was offended in aces case,i have to doubt you were in the things u mentioned,if u r a man of honesty youd admit that,and what your post was,simply to take me apart,which is fine.However are you gonna let me leave,we have heard the opnions aganist me,does this deem me to a theread of posts taking me out?
I did not find your post frinedly in any way,rather as a wiggle to actualy spew some hard stuff at me,stuff i hope i correctly balanced.
If you dont believe your post was vicious id really re read it.Anything correct,which i believe was only the grammer part is fine,however please dont attack my character especialy when im trying to leave and let it move on.
>
>
Posted by MARTY on July 15, 2006, at 3:06:32
In reply to Re: Where does this go..... Willyee, posted by willyee on July 15, 2006, at 1:40:57
I'm sorry Willyee, I'm not going to reply to every points.You apologized for the posts? it's all to your honor. frankly.
You dont want to apologize to Phillipa for USING HER in your frustration driven posts ? tsk.. that's your way of doing things.. it's sad, but at least it's legal. And at least nobody followed your recommandation that she be transfered to another forum and so she didn't loose total contact with 3/4 of her friends at psychobabble. I'm sure you too is happy about it. right? :)
You suggest that people who doesn't appreciate your writing skills to just don't read your post ? Why don't you suggest yourself to stop reading ACE posts if you can't appreciate his sense of humor OR for any other reason.
(PS: I know the Nardil community that you refer to: I'm a member of it. I'm also a member of NPAC. From what I've read, and I've read almost 3/4 of ALL THE POSTS on this forum since his creation, nobody there has tried the high dose ACE said he wanted to try. BTW, I dont think it's a good idea to go that far.)I wish you the best. I hope you'll not 'quit' the forum for many reasons. If you do, I hope that you will come back soon enough because there are many people waiting to be helped and you are one of those who can. And I also know that some people appreciate you very much. Like Phillipa for instance, which always cared for you. Etc.. and some more.
Have a nice day.
Marty
The very humble, clean, white, hygieneous, standerized, little and with average result user of Celexa. (tm)PS2: Did you tried OMEGA 3 ? It has been very good for my angers/frustration/irrability while being on Parnate.. I was such a bitch! :)
Posted by willyee on July 15, 2006, at 6:13:27
In reply to Re: Where does this go..... Willyee » willyee, posted by MARTY on July 15, 2006, at 3:06:32
>
> I'm sorry Willyee, I'm not going to reply to every points.
>
> You apologized for the posts? it's all to your honor. frankly.
>
> You dont want to apologize to Phillipa for USING HER in your frustration driven posts ? tsk.. that's your way of doing things..
it's sad,
Any more sadder that a person should feel ridiculed for pointing out what he believes to be an unfair balance of moderation?FACT is however its sliced phillipa has an overwhelming amount of posts that are socialy oriented,this is just right in your face if it is questioned.So tsk tsk i should feel bad not understanding why she is not held to the same policy when her social posts are not re directed?
I feel bad i could not have been annoymonous is projecting this,but i dont feel as the way your portaying me,as being some monster to phillipa,her social posts would im very sure be a great asset on social,so i wouldnt put me in the corner quite yet,as what i did was project a valid claim.
but at least it's legal. And at least nobody followed your recommandation that she be transfered to another forum and so she didn't loose total contact with 3/4 of her friends at psychobabble. I'm sure you too is happy about it. right? :)
>
> You suggest that people who doesn't appreciate your writing skills to just don't read your post ? Why don't you suggest yourself to stop reading ACE posts if you can't appreciate his sense of humor OR for any other reason.
> (PS: I know the Nardil community that you refer to: I'm a member of it. I'm also a member of NPAC. From what I've read, and I've read almost 3/4 of ALL THE POSTS on this forum since his creation, nobody there has tried the high dose ACE said he wanted to try. BTW, I dont think it's a good idea to go that far.)
The whole triggering of me finaly saying something was the fact that he caps it in his subject line,so no i dont have a way of not seeing it.And i was just checking with the site because if u read the previous posts,hmmm i swear by golly i do that it comes so close to seeming as if you sugggest ace form of use,the dose etc whatever might lend hand to legitamacy to his champ claim,i know it sounds absurd,i guess posted the link with the hard core veterans knowing the drug inside and out on my silly assumption that you might have been doing ,,,you know as i stated,lending legitmacy to aces claim,making it any more than a joke.Ahh i should have known no one would think such a silly though,well the link was at least a good resource.
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> I wish you the best. I hope you'll not 'quit' the forum for many reasons. If you do, I hope that you will come back soon enough because there are many people waiting to be helped and you are one of those who can. And I also know that some people appreciate you very much. Like Phillipa for instance, which always cared for you. Etc.. and some more.You mean who,who always cared for me right? Im surprised i picked up on that lol me being the grammer nightmare i am lol.
Im trying to actualy leave,i believe it is best i do,if phillipa cared about me truly,then she would not loose that over this matter,also shed be unwise to think its a reflection to her personal being and how i feel towards her.
I dont believe i ever stated i disliked her ever,rather that she is part of a problem i have with the moderation on the group.Lil secret my boss p.o. d many a times,steaming mad,still said outside work he was one of the greatest funniest guys to know,i can only hope phillipa takes that reasoning into play.
>
> Have a nice day.
> Marty
> The very humble, clean, white, hygieneous, standerized, little and with average result user of Celexa. (tm)
>
> PS2: Did you tried OMEGA 3 ? It has been very good for my angers/frustration/irrability while being on Parnate.. I was such a bitch! :)
>
>Im not even gonna respond to this lol,maybe you should re read both of your posts,id rather you come at me with the knife pointing at me then hiding it,you were right about one thing,im not dumb,and its easy,actualy im sure purposly made this way,to know your posts were not meant to be much other than a key to projecting some immense grudges towards me.
A smile can be worn when stabbing someone cant it?
Posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2006, at 14:41:06
In reply to Re: Where does this go..... Willyee, posted by MARTY on July 14, 2006, at 14:26:09
> you sometimes are rude/mean/crude
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. You've been asked before to be civil, so I am blocking you. I'll let Dr. Bob determine the length of the block.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Regards,
deputy gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2006, at 14:48:05
In reply to Re: Where does this go..... Willyee, posted by willyee on July 15, 2006, at 6:13:27
Hi Willyee,
To clarify about redirecting, if individual posts made in a thread seem more "social" and were redirected by themselves, they would lack any kind of context in the new location. However, if a thread or part of a thread wanders off track to something just social (or to somethig better suited to any of the other boards), then it makes sense to redirect that aspect of the thread. There would be a context contained in the posts to allow others to see what the thread in the new location was about.That's a general rule of thumb I use for redirecting based on observing how Dr. Bob handles these situations.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2006, at 15:02:13
In reply to Re: Where does this go..... Willyee, posted by willyee on July 15, 2006, at 1:40:57
> The rest of your statements i find flat out rude,and offensive,... then attack me
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down, even if your feelings are hurt. You've been asked before to be civil, so now I am blocking you from posting. I've asked Dr. Bob to determine the block length.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be directed to Admin and should of course be civil. Dr. Bob has oversight over deputy decisions, and he may choose a different action.
Regards,
deputy gg
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 18, 2006, at 19:39:27
In reply to Blocked » MARTY, posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2006, at 14:41:06
> I'll let Dr. Bob determine the length of the block.
previous block: 1 week
period of time since previous block: 1 week
uncivil toward a particular individual or group: yes
particularly uncivil: no
different type of incivility: no
clearly didn't understand PBC and made effort to reply: no
provoked: no
uncivil in multiple posts at same time: no
already archived: noIf we take 1 week, divide by 10, and round down, that's a reduction of 0 weeks. If we apply that to his previous block, that's 1 - 0 = 1 week. And if we triple that, that's 3 weeks.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 18, 2006, at 19:39:31
In reply to Blocked » willyee, posted by gardenergirl on July 15, 2006, at 15:02:13
> I've asked Dr. Bob to determine the block length.
previous block: 4 weeks
period of time since previous block: 42 weeks
uncivil toward a particular individual or group: yes
particularly uncivil: no
different type of incivility: no
clearly didn't understand PBC and made effort to reply: no
provoked: yes
uncivil in multiple posts at same time: no
already archived: noIf we take 42 weeks, divide by 10, and round down, that's a reduction of 4 weeks. If we apply that to his previous block, that's 4 - 0 = 4 weeks. And if we go from there, that's 1 week.
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 19, 2006, at 23:08:51
In reply to Ok...., posted by willyee on July 13, 2006, at 13:56:43
> Well Aces continued use of the Term NARDIL CHAMP in referral to his drug has/does deeply offend me.
>
> To me it is a mockery of a serious drug,and a serious condition to which the drug treats.> this is a drug not a game.
Willyee, first, I'm sorry you're blocked. Please feel free to post more about this after your block is up (civilly, of course). Is your concern that people won't appreciate the risks of taking Nardil?
I can't speak for him, but maybe he uses it like I use "Babble":
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#name
> People like phillipa are allowed to insert themself in every single post,with an OVERWHELMING PERCENT of the conent again being soical oreinted,opposed to actual medication.
I'd like discussions that are primarily social to be on Social, but I'd also like to encourage people to support each other even if they don't have anything to add regarding the main focus of a board:
> > If what you want to do is support someone more than discuss an issue, just post to whichever board they posted to.
If that support leads to a discussion that's primarily social, it can always be redirected then...
Bob
Posted by JahL on July 25, 2006, at 13:04:28
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post » Crazy Horse, posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2006, at 15:57:17
Can I add my tuppence worth?
Regarding the issue of posting frequency, I can sort of understand where the original poster is coming from, that some people apparently 'take' more than they 'give', but ultimately I have to disagree.
In many ways this discussion relates to my own situation - I rarely post anymore. So here it is from a personal perspective:
Last night, in a fit of boredom, I decided to trawl the archives. I came here in 2000 as an ill-informed, angry and confused young man. I was keen to learn about my condition and so in the beginning I was a 'taker'. But as my confidence grew, and my insight into mental illness improved, I began to proffer advice where appropriate. Looking back, I am confident that I contributed sufficiently to be 'allowed' to occasionally return when in need of help.
Anyway, what struck me about my old posts was how much less depressed I was back then. This meant I felt more sociable and was therefore more inclined to seek company. By contrast, I am now in a deep pit of suicidal depression and have lost all my sociable instincts. My point is, the current status of your illness can determine your posting behaviour.
Perceived ability also comes into it. I currently suffer from a 30-point deficit in my working IQ. This means, quite simply, I no longer have much confidence in any advice I might hand out - so why bother? I suppose one could argue that's responsible behaviour on my part.
Another factor in my case: Like many on this board I suffer from social phobia. Perhaps this explains the appeal of this essentially anonymous resource. Anyway, this means I am particularly sensitive to any form of criticism. Unfortunately, I am the archtypal angry young(ish) man, and thus I am prone to lashing out - sometimes viciously. Therefore I must actively avoid any form of confrontation *at all costs*; anger can utterly consume me. Getting 'involved' here is counterproductive for both myself and the board. So, at the first sign of trouble, I just walk away, until my anger subsides. Often this means I can't post for months on end: does this make me a 'bad' poster? I think it makes me a responsible poster, albeit one who is emotionally very twisted. There's also an element of self-preservation at work; if I get myself blocked, then when I *really* need help, I will be unable to ask for it.
Finally, there is the issue of familiarity. Whenever I decide to briefly return, I find the personnel has dramatically changed. This results in 'new kid' syndrome, whereby I have to make a real effort to acquaint myself with the new intake in order to re-establish myself. Quite simply, I cannot be bothered anymore. This is no reflection upon the current crop, rather it is a sign that I am just *too depressed* to make the effort.
Apologies for the length of this post, and its self-absorbed tone, but I thought that it's important to keep in mind that *illness status determines posting behaviour*, and perhaps personal case studies are a good way to reinforce this notion.
Please, I'm not looking for an argument with anyone - if that happens I outta here.
Sincerely,
Jah.
Posted by AuntieMel on July 26, 2006, at 10:05:14
In reply to Re: EVERYONE is welcome to post, posted by JahL on July 25, 2006, at 13:04:28
Aint that the truth!
Illness affects posting behavior in more than one way.
Some have little energy to post when they are feeling bad.
Some end up too busy with other things when they are feeling good.
The inverse - some only come here when they are on a down swing, others on an upswing.
It balances.
And it's good to see you.
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