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Posted by SLS on October 17, 2014, at 0:03:17
In reply to My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Zyprexa on October 16, 2014, at 23:21:36
When did you have your last ECT treatment?
Were your treatments:
- unilateral?
- bilateral?
- bifrontal?
- bitemporal?
- high dosage?
- brief pulse?It took at least a month after my last bilateral treatment to regain normal cognitive and memory function.
I hope your impairments are only temporary.
- Scott
Posted by alexandra_k on October 17, 2014, at 1:57:56
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on October 17, 2014, at 0:03:17
I thought ECT did something weird to my cognitive abilities, too. But then I wasn't sure whether it was that or all the other psych meds. And then there were the drugs. Spotting mj oil off al foil can't be that great for ya... And I remember doing stupid things like smoking matches in science at school to freak the teacher out...
I think the brain is more like a muscle than most people think. That it adapts to the demands that you make of it, I mean. If you work to improve it by actively exercising it then it adapts and gets better at what you make it do. If you don't try because you don't believe you can well then... You never will.
When I quit smoking I couldn't focus on anything. Couldn't read technical stuff like I could before. Couldn't do focused editing of my writing. I am regaining that... But it is something of a process, I think. It has taken a couple of years.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 17, 2014, at 8:27:31
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by alexandra_k on October 17, 2014, at 1:57:56
Im sorry, but this ECT, you know what it sounds like to me?
There was a evil rumour that you could charge your iphone in 90 seconds in the microwave.
You believe(d) something pretty similar was good for your brain. It is BS. Dont do it is all i can say. I see people that had done ECT all the time. None of them said "thank god i did it".
They all sound more or less like you and regret it. It is a shame.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 17, 2014, at 8:33:05
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Lamdage22 on October 17, 2014, at 8:27:31
Take it as a lesson for the future and upgrade your BS radar.
Posted by SLS on October 17, 2014, at 9:16:32
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Lamdage22 on October 17, 2014, at 8:27:31
> Im sorry, but this ECT, you know what it sounds like to me?
>
> There was a evil rumour that you could charge your iphone in 90 seconds in the microwave.
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> You believe(d) something pretty similar was good for your brain. It is BS. Dont do it is all i can say. I see people that had done ECT all the time. None of them said "thank god i did it".There have been several people on Psycho-Babble who have expressed their good fortune for having had ECT. Sadly, I am not one of them.
Relapse rates are rather high if one does not continue with maintenance treatments. Of course, the same can be said of medication. If you discontinue an antidepressant as soon as you feel better, you are likely to relapse.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on October 17, 2014, at 9:46:05
In reply to ECT made me stupid as fuck!, posted by Zyprexa on October 16, 2014, at 23:12:20
Didn't you have the ECT years ago? Are you still working? Bad night at work. Phillipa
Posted by Phil on October 17, 2014, at 13:03:57
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Lamdage22 on October 17, 2014, at 8:27:31
I know many people that ECT saved their lives, including my mother. It can be extremely effective. Sounds like you are just attacking someone. We're all different.
Posted by Christ_empowered on October 17, 2014, at 16:42:00
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab » Lamdage22, posted by Phil on October 17, 2014, at 13:03:57
My first involuntary round of ECT (age 20) was terrible, and it was followed by another round, age 23. :-(
More extreme psychiatric treatments can help, but there's more potential to harm, too. Look at lobotomies. Some people clearly benefited, some were turned into vegetables (or died), and there were many in between.Anyway, for me, psychosocial rehabilitatin made all the difference. I did a 1 year Christian residential rehab program age 24-25. That put things in the right direction. Most of my memories of childhood up to about 22,23 or so, are still wiped out. I'm still re-building my vocabulary. My social skills have improved, thankfully.
Posted by hello123 on October 17, 2014, at 17:21:37
In reply to ECT made me stupid as fuck!, posted by Zyprexa on October 16, 2014, at 23:12:20
It was all psychiatric meds that messed up my cognition, especially Effexor and Mirapex. Ive had like 20 ECT treatments in all so far and no bad complications from.them so far. Mainly just benefits. Im not denying that ECT could screw up someone else, im just giving my experience with it.
Posted by Phil on October 17, 2014, at 18:13:49
In reply to My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Zyprexa on October 16, 2014, at 23:21:36
> Abuse. I don't even drink that much 3-6 drinks a night my whole life and I never could tolerate that much pot. But still I'm so stupified unlike others who might drink several times what I drink.
But who is counting, right? Three to six drinks(maybe 7 sometimes?) a night your whole life? It has nothing to do with what others drink. It's what you drink but more so, why you drink. If you are on the meds you have listed and drinking that much you are doing yourself no favors. If you can't live without alcohol you might want to treat that before you spiral down further. Social drinkers don't count drinks. Problem drinkers and alcoholics count drinks. I've been around alcoholics my whole life and what you said is very, very familiar to me. To be honest, you drink too much and you will not get well washing AP's down with alcohol. You have to chose.
People can drink one glass of wine at dinner and be an alcoholic. It isn't how much, it's do you wish it was dinner time all day? Not because you're hungry but because you can't wait for than glass of wine. It's tricky and you are rationalizing your drinking. Talk to a therapist or better yet, go to one AA meeting, I think you will be surprised. You may think I'm your worst enemy but, in fact, I'm your best buddy right now.
Posted by baseball55 on October 17, 2014, at 19:45:07
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Phil on October 17, 2014, at 18:13:49
I agree with Phil. 3-6 drinks is heavy drinking, especially if it's done on a daily basis.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 18, 2014, at 9:41:25
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Phil on October 17, 2014, at 18:13:49
Thats great guys. Then we will continue to hear from people that had their brians destroyed by ect.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 18, 2014, at 9:48:18
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Lamdage22 on October 18, 2014, at 9:41:25
If you calculate everything in, it is no good. Its like playing biased roulette with your brain.
With the bias toward the no benefit but damaged brain side.
Its pretty easy to tell by looking at fellow patients.
Posted by Guy on October 18, 2014, at 11:07:10
In reply to ECT made me stupid as fuck!, posted by Zyprexa on October 16, 2014, at 23:12:20
Zyprexa, "3-6 drinks a night" would definitely not help the situation. Why don't you try cutting back to 2 drinks, or better yet, quit altogether. Booze does not help people with psych probs.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 18, 2014, at 15:16:52
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck!, posted by Guy on October 18, 2014, at 11:07:10
> Zyprexa, "3-6 drinks a night" would definitely not help the situation. Why don't you try cutting back to 2 drinks, or better yet, quit altogether. Booze does not help people with psych probs.
I have to agree with that.
Posted by phidippus on October 20, 2014, at 21:30:12
In reply to ECT made me stupid as fuck!, posted by Zyprexa on October 16, 2014, at 23:12:20
It goes away after awhile.
Eric
Posted by Zyprexa on October 21, 2014, at 21:12:04
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck! » Zyprexa, posted by phidippus on October 20, 2014, at 21:30:12
I don't know what type of ECT they gave me in hospital, but there were lots of them. They didn't tell me what they were doing or wheather or not I wanted them.
As for the alcohol I cut back down to 3 of my drinks. The thing is I had cut down to 1.5 of my drinks for 3 months and all my numbers were good again after the 3 months. So having been starved of alcohol I drank a little too much for the last few weeks. Now I have rationalized that 3 of my drinks a day will keep my numbers good. My doctor says to drink! He says it is better to drink a little than not at all or too much. So I am sticking to 3 for now and see if my numbers are still good. Drinking 1.5 for 3 months droped my triglicerides from 558 to 104 in three months so I think 3 a day at maintanance dose will work.
Christ empowered: I had a similar experience with ECT. They didn't realy give me a choice in the matter, which realy upsets me. Not to mention the incredably harmfull effect they had on my brain. Yes they were done 17 years ago, but still have a drastic effect on my brain. I actualy feel retarded from them. And I don't remember much from the few years before the ECT, its been 17 years when will my memory come back. Its hard to go on with your life like normal when you don't remember anything about your life. Itried to ask people who knew what I did back then but no one wants to say and I don't even know if its true? You can't get someone else to tell you what happened in your life, much less tell you what you thought of it . I feel like I'm born again which is hard because I'm actualy 38. I feel like I have the mental age of 17. Like I said before when I woke up from one of the ECTs I literaly thought I had just been born. My brain was wiped clean. Then when I got out of hospital moving on was imposible. People were so ununderstanding. And I didn't know what was going on.
Anyways I'm just upset about the ECTs they forced on me, but there is nothing I can do.
Hello, sorry I dumped on your ECT maybe they gave you a better type than me. And I'm just upset with ECT in general.
Z
Posted by SLS on October 22, 2014, at 9:13:17
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck!, posted by Zyprexa on October 21, 2014, at 21:12:04
No need to apologize.
- Scott
Posted by Christ_empowered on October 22, 2014, at 19:15:22
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck! » Zyprexa, posted by SLS on October 22, 2014, at 9:13:17
I was 23, had a history of drug addiction, and had a nervous breakdown w/ very little money of my own in an urban area. I was also homosexual and "too pretty," in the southeast.I don't know how many shocks or what sort of ECT. They blasted everything--my past, my ability to think and communicate, my sense of Self--into oblivion.
Honestly, this is just how poor people and/or economically un-productive and stigmatized people are treated by psychiatry. I was already on the rubbish heap, so I guess they figured they'd blast me into a semi-vegetative state. Awesome.
I had a head injury going into ECT. A skinny, pretty, gay dude in a bad part of urban southeast doesn't stand much of a chance...I was bashed on the head during what I guess was a botched mugging. Since I had very little money, the local hospital simply stitched me up, injected me with some mystery substance, and sent me on my way. Niiiiice.
I've recovered, by the grace of God, but...I'm not the same. When my people came down to get me, they turned out to be a little more "respectable" than the shrinks had anticipated. They switched out my Haldol for Risperdal. I overheard one doc say they changed my diagnosis from schizophrenia to bipolar I because "schizophrenia is a poor man's diagnosis."
Awesome. They also told my parents that I'd "never be the same again." Well, no wonder, right?
I dunno...Zyprexa, I can relate to you feeling younger than your age. I just turned 30. I don't look 30, for some reason...maybe its a blessing, maybe its improved nutrition, reduced stress, supplements...people say I look about 25. I feel maybe that age, maybe a bit younger. I dunno.
I was ECT'd to the point that, looking back, I had a lot of problems that overlapped with "frontal lobe syndrome." Things have improved mightily, Praise God, but...
...why? You know? Its violence, its sadism, to shock somebody back to the stone age. Back in the day, the shock docs would call it "giving somebody the works." Yeah...that's someone's life, right? Right.
Anyway, Zyprexa...I don't know what to do. You probably should cut back on your alcohol a bit. The orthomolecular people swore by niacinamide for pre- and post-ECT. Of course, they swore/sear by niacinamide for anything and everything, lol.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 24, 2014, at 11:46:03
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck!, posted by Zyprexa on October 21, 2014, at 21:12:04
I assume that our "pro-ECT" advocates will still praise ect into your face.
I strongly disagree with this practice and i would press charges if it were me.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 24, 2014, at 11:53:45
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 24, 2014, at 11:46:03
I dont want to collide with anyone here, i just cant see the usefulness of ECT by ANY degree.
How many people see their lives destroyed by it and how many gain their life back with it?
Do you REALLY think that ECT is doing more good than harm?
Have you not met like, say 10 patients at least who did ECT?
I did!
Posted by Zyprexa on October 24, 2014, at 23:29:43
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 24, 2014, at 11:46:03
How do I press charges? It was in 1997, in Canada. Who do I press charges against? I'm asking because I don't think its possible and I realy would like to.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 25, 2014, at 0:49:18
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck! » Lamdage22, posted by Zyprexa on October 24, 2014, at 23:29:43
Im sorry i dont know anything about the laws in Canada.
Posted by Lamdage22 on October 25, 2014, at 1:08:02
In reply to Re: ECT made me stupid as f*ck!, posted by Lamdage22 on October 25, 2014, at 0:49:18
It might be too late.
Posted by phidippus on November 3, 2014, at 19:44:14
In reply to Re: My doctor calls it alcohol abuse, I call it ECT ab, posted by Lamdage22 on October 17, 2014, at 8:27:31
> They all sound more or less like you and regret it. It is a shame.
The problem is ECT is only good for the worst of cases and those who are not do it when they really don't need it.
Eric
ps. we're talking like semi to fully catatonic, man. Or so manic not even Haldol is working.
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