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Posted by olivia12 on August 7, 2010, at 14:31:40
Yes, anti-depressants have side effects, but please consider the outcome as a whole. I do believe they have made my life much more manageable. It irritates me when so many people just talk about what the meds have done to them--wouldn't these same people be complaining about how bad it all is with or without the drug? I suspect that, yes, they would. People need to stop expecting these meds to be magical--they are not--they are just an aid to allow better days. Some AD are better than others and it is a very individual experience, but it is hard to read through all of this and gain any kind of insight when so many are just swallowed up in this negative bent. Granted, we are talking about depressed people posting (myself included) and so I guess this may be a moot point. With that being said, please step back and try to see what good these pills might have done for you and your quality of life.
Posted by Maxime on August 7, 2010, at 15:02:19
In reply to anti-depressants, posted by olivia12 on August 7, 2010, at 14:31:40
Welcome to PB
I think that because this is site where people come for answers about the medication they are taking that it is only natural to talk about the dark side of meds.
I know that there are a lot of people here who are grateful for the meds that work with their body. I am for one. I have so many problems with meds that I am always thankful when a med works and do post that to the group.
Posted by olivia12 on August 7, 2010, at 15:31:09
In reply to Re: anti-depressants » olivia12, posted by Maxime on August 7, 2010, at 15:02:19
Thanks Maxime. I see your point. I just get a bit frustrated when all I read is negatives. I have been on a few AD--some good for me, some less so. However, I am not expecting them to solve all of life's problems without a lot of work on my part. I appreciate your input.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 7, 2010, at 21:32:15
In reply to Re: anti-depressants, posted by olivia12 on August 7, 2010, at 15:31:09
> Thanks Maxime. I see your point. I just get a bit frustrated when all I read is negatives. I have been on a few AD--some good for me, some less so. However, I am not expecting them to solve all of life's problems without a lot of work on my part. I appreciate your input.
olivia12,
You wrote,[...not expecting them to solve all of life's problems without a lot of work on my part...].
It has been revealed to me that he that overcomes will (redacted by respondent).
Lou
Here is a video that I would like for you to view if you could continue this discussion.
You can view this video by
A. bring up Google
B: Type in:
[youtube, The truth about schizophrenia & fixing chemical imbalances]
There is a picture of a man and the time is 9 min and the date is Sept 28,2006
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 8, 2010, at 12:09:35
In reply to Lou's response-ohvrcom » olivia12, posted by Lou Pilder on August 7, 2010, at 21:32:15
Lou,
I would be interested to hear more about you and your own experiences with psychiatric medications. First of all, do you have a diagnosis? Has your doctor looked into the possibility of Asperger's syndrome.
Ed_UK
Posted by olivia12 on August 8, 2010, at 12:40:16
In reply to Lou's response-ohvrcom » olivia12, posted by Lou Pilder on August 7, 2010, at 21:32:15
Interesting video, but I'm not sure which point you were referencing? Schizophrenia--physiology, response to drugs, drug company propaganda? I am not saying that drugs are side-effect free--it seems the better the drug, the worse the side effects--it's a payoff. The meds are not an easy fix and will not help at all without the active participation of the patient--this is all I am trying to say. Of course, when I commented, I was referring to depression/anxiety and so we really might not be talking about the same thing--Schizophrenia is a complex and poorly understood disease. Anyhow, in regards to depression, I'll take night sweats and a decrease in libido over despondent living. Just in my opinion.
Posted by chujoe on August 8, 2010, at 13:08:34
In reply to Re: Lou's response-ohvrcom, posted by olivia12 on August 8, 2010, at 12:40:16
Olivia, it's a point I've made here before -- one has to work with the medication for depression & anxiety & even the best AD isn't a magic bullet.
As for Lou, he doesn't help his case by lumping all psych meds together & responding with videos about psychosis when one is talking about depression. Or, as in a post above, putting "Cymbalta" in his title, then pointing to a video about Seroquel.
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 15:36:31
In reply to Question for Lou, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 8, 2010, at 12:09:35
Lou, did Effexor damage you?
Posted by Maxime on August 8, 2010, at 15:40:40
In reply to Re: Question for Lou, posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 15:36:31
> Lou, did Effexor damage you?
That's mean, don't you think?
Posted by sigismund on August 8, 2010, at 15:50:00
In reply to Re: Question for Lou » sigismund, posted by Maxime on August 8, 2010, at 15:40:40
>> Lou, did Effexor damage you?
>That's mean, don't you think?
Well, I hope not.
Perhaps I expressed myself poorly.
What I meant was, since there's all this talk in the thread above, maybe Lou has something to say about Effexor.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2010, at 20:24:18
In reply to Re: Lou's response-ohvrcom, posted by olivia12 on August 8, 2010, at 12:40:16
> Interesting video, but I'm not sure which point you were referencing? Schizophrenia--physiology, response to drugs, drug company propaganda? I am not saying that drugs are side-effect free--it seems the better the drug, the worse the side effects--it's a payoff. The meds are not an easy fix and will not help at all without the active participation of the patient--this is all I am trying to say. Of course, when I commented, I was referring to depression/anxiety and so we really might not be talking about the same thing--Schizophrenia is a complex and poorly understood disease. Anyhow, in regards to depression, I'll take night sweats and a decrease in libido over despondent living. Just in my opinion.
olivia12,
You wrote,[...without the active participation of the patient...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by that. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. What actions could a patient take to be considerd to be {active participation}?
B. How could those actions help?
C. other answers to questions not stated
Lou
Posted by olivia12 on August 9, 2010, at 17:54:14
In reply to Lou's reply-ahktiv » olivia12, posted by Lou Pilder on August 8, 2010, at 20:24:18
> You wrote,[...without the active participation of the patient...]
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by that. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. What actions could a patient take to be considerd to be {active participation}?
> B. How could those actions help?
> C. other answers to questions not stated
> Lou
Lou, I am talking about the patient assuming a large part of responsibility in recovery. That is, seeking therapy and otherwise working towards a better outlook. The meds can only act as an adjunct or a starting up point to living more fully. A good therapist and a lot of hard work on the patient's part are paramount--you can't know what I mean if you haven't been on this road. Without this, the meds are no more than pills with side effects. Again, just in my opinion.
Posted by Toph on November 1, 2010, at 15:36:36
In reply to Question for Lou, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 8, 2010, at 12:09:35
> Lou,
>
> I would be interested to hear more about you and your own experiences with psychiatric medications. First of all, do you have a diagnosis? Has your doctor looked into the possibility of Asperger's syndrome.
>
> Ed_UKhttp://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20101030/msgs/967780.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 1, 2010, at 19:57:20
In reply to Re: Question for Lou » ed_uk2010, posted by Toph on November 1, 2010, at 15:36:36
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