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Posted by JadeKelly on November 12, 2008, at 9:23:24
In reply to Re: thanks for nothing Rick + Phillipa, posted by Ricker on November 11, 2008, at 22:25:39
Posted by rskontos on November 12, 2008, at 9:59:31
In reply to Re: thanks for nothing manic666, posted by softheprairie on November 12, 2008, at 0:04:22
oh you are right it is crazymeds.us. I am sorry you find them mean spirited. I have now been there for two years and don't find them that way at all. They aren't there for psych help. But if you ask legit questions about meds they have a wealth of knowledge. They were kind enough to direct me here for the psychology board and spoke very highly of Babble in terms of support.
When I posted there about some sensitive stuff for me, one of the founders jumped right in the support me.
I am sorry you did not find it so.
Nevertheless, as a lurker you can find a wealth of information concerning meds that you might not can find elsewhere. I have.
rsk
Posted by softheprairie on November 12, 2008, at 16:04:07
In reply to Re: thanks for nothing manic666 » softheprairie, posted by rskontos on November 12, 2008, at 9:59:31
Hi rskontos,
I am glad for real that you feel welcomed at crazymeds! I agree about there being a wealth of med info there, and I appreciate being able to lurk there.
Posted by rskontos on November 12, 2008, at 17:50:36
In reply to Re: crazymeds.us ))rskontos, posted by softheprairie on November 12, 2008, at 16:04:07
Posted by Phillipa on November 12, 2008, at 19:08:51
In reply to Re: crazymeds.us ))rskontos, posted by softheprairie on November 12, 2008, at 16:04:07
Thought the site was no longer there? Guess it is. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on November 13, 2008, at 4:40:04
In reply to Re:sorry guys manic666, posted by manic666 on November 12, 2008, at 8:39:40
thank for wanting to help jade. an sorry about the misunderstanding,that thought was put in my head. sure you can answer me now i no you are one of us speicals,that what i call us, an normals are well normal ,the zoloft sounds ok, you see i have an addiction to lorazapam once 10 a day , now ony 3 the srink thinks 4. he wants to stop them when i do the c.b.t in jan, i see him in just over 3 weeks as follow up, an scared if he starts new med,an starts loz withdrawal at the same time i may be in the sh*t. the cymbalta never worked on anxiety even whent to 120mg soon back down im on 40 now he thinks 60, getting myself ready for change over if he makes onE. the cym as a little efect at low doses well it did its pooping now but i can sleep, there was never any real affect but never any deep deep depression so i cruised on, im afraid i took the easy way after having a real bad 2 years a small releaf was very welcome , even if not the answer.i have not much faith in my hospital team in england they are streched to the limit an up against a wall. MANIC666
Posted by okydoky on November 13, 2008, at 10:30:54
In reply to Re: Thanks Rick + Phillipa :) (nm) » Ricker, posted by JadeKelly on November 12, 2008, at 9:23:24
Posted by Phillipa on November 13, 2008, at 18:06:26
In reply to Re:sorry guys manic666, posted by manic666 on November 13, 2008, at 4:40:04
What a thoughtful post manic. Hope you're feeling a bit better. Yes have heard medical care in England Not the best. Love Phillipa
Posted by JadeKelly on November 13, 2008, at 21:14:46
In reply to Interupting thread: are you ok JadeKelly? (nm) » JadeKelly, posted by okydoky on November 13, 2008, at 10:30:54
Oh, Hi Oky!!
Thought you disappeared!! I did get babble and really need to learn to use that. I am Idiot on computers. Maybe I will email? is that allowed?
Anyway, still alive and kickin, haha. Doc let me stay on Parnate, as he agreed with Scott (SLS) that sometimes this (HTC) is transient effect as your body is getting used to med. Went on that Nfedipine (for me the WORST) for high BP daily for 11-12 days. Felt like HE*L the whole time. (NOTE: I would take it in a heart beat as one time antidote.) Geuss I was too out of it to see Doc, and wanted so much to stay on Parnate. So, still lingering fatigue from d/c'd Nifedipine, but other wise 30mg Parnate seems to brighten mood. Nothing crazy or euphoric, but at least feel ok leaving house! It was getting pretty bad. Please get back to me and let me know how you are and if you've found any meds that are not irritating. Hope you are not in pain. I will try to contact you another way in a little while. Hope you are well!~Fondly, Jade
Posted by 10derHeart on November 13, 2008, at 21:52:18
In reply to Re: Interupting thread: are you ok JadeKelly? » okydoky, posted by JadeKelly on November 13, 2008, at 21:14:46
>>I did get babble and really need to learn to use that. I am Idiot on computers. Maybe I will email? is that allowed?
Here's how to use Babblemail, which is just a private way to "email" without giving out your email address. The PB server will send the message to the poster's email (at whatever address given when the poster registered here) without revealing the email address of the sender. So you will read them in your email program, but Babblemail only shows www.dr-bob.org as the sender.
1. Say you want to Babblemail okydoky. Open any one of her posts. See that her name is in blue (most computers it's blue) and is 'clickable.' That means oky has Babblemail turned on (like you do, your name shows up blue, also)
2. Click on oky's posting name within the message and a Babblemail window will open.
3. Type your message and click on Send Babblemail.
4. You will get a confirmation screen saying it worked.
5. That's it! Oky will get your Babblemail in her email in-box
Does that help? Any questions, I'd be happy to help. It really is a neat feature (thanks, Dr. Bob)
Sure, posters can email each other directly, if they like. It's a free country and all that ;-) It's just a matter of comfort level and people don't exactly "know" each other in cyberspace so may not want to give out their email addresses directly. My personal advice, if you decide to, is first, be careful and you do so at your own risk. If things ever were to turn our badly, Dr. Bob has no authority over email - that is between you and the other party. Also, it might be wise not to post it on the boards. Send it in a Babblemail. Just in case someone you'd rather not have locate your posting name or posts (if they know it, or it resembles your actual name, etc.), is Googling you...an email address on a public site like this could come up awfully easily.
Babblemail away!
regards,
-- 10der
PS - I don't get the idea from your posts you are an "idiot" about anything, even computers. We are all in various stages of learning about things, right? :-)
Posted by JadeKelly on November 13, 2008, at 22:18:27
In reply to Re:sorry guys manic666, posted by manic666 on November 13, 2008, at 4:40:04
> thank for wanting to help jade. an sorry about the misunderstanding,that thought was put in my head. sure you can answer me now i no you are one of us speicals,that what i call us, an normals are well normal ,the zoloft sounds ok, you see i have an addiction to lorazapam once 10 a day , now ony 3 the srink thinks 4. he wants to stop them when i do the c.b.t in jan, i see him in just over 3 weeks as follow up, an scared if he starts new med,an starts loz withdrawal at the same time i may be in the sh*t. the cymbalta never worked on anxiety even whent to 120mg soon back down im on 40 now he thinks 60, getting myself ready for change over if he makes onE. the cym as a little efect at low doses well it did its pooping now but i can sleep, there was never any real affect but never any deep deep depression so i cruised on, im afraid i took the easy way after having a real bad 2 years a small releaf was very welcome , even if not the answer.i have not much faith in my hospital team in england they are streched to the limit an up against a wall. MANIC666
Hi Manic, I'm glad were OK. Thanks for calling me "special". We have somthing in common then. Cause I'm def SPECIAL haha. Any way, I'm going to answer this thread, then the other, K? Here goes: Manic, I'm going to get serious here because this is serious. I had a family member that was addicted big time to Lorazapam. Don't know how much he was taking, none of us did. Something bad happened (not related to his use) and he upped his dose to the point where we had to take care of him in addition to other stuff. We confronted him and he d/c'd Lorazepam in matter of days, maybe week. I was paying his bills one night, and noticed his face was quivering, he was shaking, just looked scary. I called my Doc and she said take him directly to Hospital. They kept him a week, he was in an extreme manic state when he came out, and diagnosed with 2 disorders.
He's now on many meds, that I wonder if he would need had he not abused Lorazapam so badly and d/c'd too quickly. I geuss you know what I'm getting at. One, your Doc IMHO should be starting a taper NOW on the Lorazapam if you are to be off in January!! Please ask him about this now??!!Especially if you're taking more than he knows about, I wasn't clear on that. PLEASE,(if ok with doc) for your own mental safety, make a chart starting where you are now, and when you go into Hospital. Taper evenly from now to then. PLEASE do this Manic. Or I feel you will really wish you did. To quote a "special" person, you most def will be in the sh*t if you don't start taper now. Don't know anything about Cymbalta, Zoloft, or C.B.T. other than mixed results on A/d's and same with C.B.T. I think the C.B.T. couldn't hurt anything as an augment to meds. At least no side effects or w/ds!!!
Going to your other post, as with your dyslexia, I have problem proccesing things quickly some times, mostly since depression hit. I like my answers to be helpful and complete also. So give a little while if you are on board.
Posted by JadeKelly on November 13, 2008, at 22:45:00
In reply to using Babblemail is not too hard :-) » JadeKelly, posted by 10derHeart on November 13, 2008, at 21:52:18
> >>I did get babble and really need to learn to use that. I am Idiot on computers. Maybe I will email? is that allowed?
>
> Here's how to use Babblemail, which is just a private way to "email" without giving out your email address. The PB server will send the message to the poster's email (at whatever address given when the poster registered here) without revealing the email address of the sender. So you will read them in your email program, but Babblemail only shows www.dr-bob.org as the sender.
>
> 1. Say you want to Babblemail okydoky. Open any one of her posts. See that her name is in blue (most computers it's blue) and is 'clickable.' That means oky has Babblemail turned on (like you do, your name shows up blue, also)
>
> 2. Click on oky's posting name within the message and a Babblemail window will open.
>
> 3. Type your message and click on Send Babblemail.
>
> 4. You will get a confirmation screen saying it worked.
>
> 5. That's it! Oky will get your Babblemail in her email in-box
>
> Does that help? Any questions, I'd be happy to help. It really is a neat feature (thanks, Dr. Bob)
>
> Sure, posters can email each other directly, if they like. It's a free country and all that ;-) It's just a matter of comfort level and people don't exactly "know" each other in cyberspace so may not want to give out their email addresses directly. My personal advice, if you decide to, is first, be careful and you do so at your own risk. If things ever were to turn our badly, Dr. Bob has no authority over email - that is between you and the other party. Also, it might be wise not to post it on the boards. Send it in a Babblemail. Just in case someone you'd rather not have locate your posting name or posts (if they know it, or it resembles your actual name, etc.), is Googling you...an email address on a public site like this could come up awfully easily.
>
> Babblemail away!
>
> regards,
>
> -- 10der
>
> PS - I don't get the idea from your posts you are an "idiot" about anything, even computers. We are all in various stages of learning about things, right? :-)
OK, maybe not an idiot....just a little slow. My programs are outdated I think, and why can't things just be explained in plain English? (not babble mail, ALL of it!!!) Everything I know about computers, I learned by accident!Thank you 10der heart, always to the rescue!!!!
Fondly, Jade
PS-Are the directions to Babblemail posted somewhere? I'm sure they are but couldn't find anywhere. Don't answer that!! It was probably right in front of my face!! I have found that depression has cut my cognitive ability in half!!
Thanks again.
Posted by JadeKelly on November 14, 2008, at 0:36:22
In reply to thanks for nothing manic666, posted by manic666 on November 11, 2008, at 4:00:26
Dear caring posters, how about instead of posting here, we all jump up to "MANIC'S HOSPITAL APPT. HELP!!!" Thread, and give him the answers he was originally looking for? I'm sure he's glad we're sorry, but I think ultimately he wanted his original post answered. He's got an important decision(s) to make. JMHO, of course.
Sincerely~Jade
Posted by 10derHeart on November 14, 2008, at 0:59:57
In reply to Re: using Babblemail is not too hard :-) » 10derHeart, posted by JadeKelly on November 13, 2008, at 22:45:00
well, it's explained generally in the FAQ section 'what are the options at this site?':
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#options
BUT, I couldn't figure it out when I was new, and I am moderately knowledgeable about computers, etc. I think our FAQ are so large it's really hard to find things until you've read through all (or most) of it and gotten an idea how Dr. Bob organizes things....
Don't worry about it. Many, many people have not understood Babblemail and other technical things about Babble. It's one of my very favorite things to do to help posters here with stuff like that. So, it's win-win, I hope.
later.... :-)
Posted by manic666 on November 16, 2008, at 12:09:28
In reply to thanks for nothing manic666, posted by manic666 on November 11, 2008, at 4:00:26
jade thanks, they do have maoi,s in england.right from a kid had seriously bad anxiety, battled on . numerous stress illness,s doctor used ativan only in extreme anxierty mabey over 30 years ago when it first came out.12 1mg tabs for a weeks course , take them as i like i would get no more for months. if didnt work turn to depression.battled through by self medecation.later persuaded by lady doc to take A.Ds never do it before silly but true.tried loads at different strenths very misunderstood in them days. felt worse most of the time . then prozac worked . didnt need loz 2 years till pooped tried more with loz back up , no go.gp doc ran out of ideas, sent me to hospital to see shrink.canceled appointments an long waiting in between f/cked my head. had plenty of loz at home ,it creapt up to 10 they stopped working drank bottle brandy a day that combo would kill a rino nerver even touched me.appointment at hospital a new shrink stopped 10 loz in one go cold turkey, put me on 75mg velafaxine an 6 mg valium , went home had anxiety attack nearly died son gave kiss of life . next night overdosed had enough of this sh*t,drank bottle brandy puked the lot on the bedroom wall wife called ambalunce, in hospital the tw*t put the velafaxine to 225mg, lay on shower floor for days in a ball letting cold water run on me as sweat matched the speed of the water.let out after a week worse that wheni went in .no backup shakeing like a ready to pack life in drank vodka to stable my shakes . GP saw me put me back on 4mg loz an lowered venlafaxine an saved my life ,i stabled on 4loz after a time . so really i shed 6 loz and abottle of brandy in 3 months but i carnt lose the last 4loz it was to much after that epic battle. so thats what i take now plus 40mg cymbalta my main illness is anxiety that leads to depression the end. MANIC666
Posted by JadeKelly on November 16, 2008, at 18:05:31
In reply to jade my history short vertion, posted by manic666 on November 16, 2008, at 12:09:28
> jade thanks, they do have maoi,s in england.
Ever try one?
right from a kid had seriously bad anxiety, battled on . numerous stress illness,s doctor used ativan only in extreme anxierty mabey over 30 years ago when it first came out.12 1mg tabs for a weeks course , take them as i like i would get no more for months. if didnt work turn to depression.
So anxiety barely treated, sorry to hear.
battled through by self medecation.later persuaded by lady doc to take A.Ds never do it before silly but true.tried loads at different strenths very misunderstood in them days. felt worse most of the time . then prozac worked . didnt need loz 2 years till pooped tried more with loz back up , no go.
At this point, IMHO, I would NOT let them take away loz. You obviously need it. What about adding another SSRI instead of Prozac, like Zoloft.
gp doc ran out of ideas
How about you bring him/her ideas? I really feel your safer doing your own research (no self medicating!) and bring ideas to GP than trust Hospital again!sent me to hospital to see shrink.canceled appointments an long waiting in between f/cked my head. had plenty of loz at home ,it creapt up to 10 they stopped working drank bottle brandy a day that combo would kill a rino nerver even touched me.appointment at hospital a new shrink stopped 10 loz in one go cold turkey, put me on 75mg velafaxine an 6 mg valium , went home had anxiety attack nearly died son gave kiss of life . next night overdosed had enough of this sh*t,drank bottle brandy puked the lot on the bedroom wall wife called ambalunce, in hospital the tw*t put the velafaxine to 225mg, lay on shower floor for days in a ball letting cold water run on me as sweat matched the speed of the water.let out after a week worse that wheni went in .no backup shakeing like a ready to pack life in drank vodka to stable my shakes .
UNBELIEVABLE. Glad you're o.k. They took you off loz dose COLD TURKEY? Then increased a med obviously making you sick. I feel sick hearing it. Stick with your GP.
GP saw me put me back on 4mg loz an lowered venlafaxine an saved my life ,i stabled on 4loz after a time . so really i shed 6 loz and abottle of brandy in 3 months but i carnt lose the last 4loz it was to much after that epic battle. so thats what i take now plus 40mg cymbalta my main illness is anxiety that leads to depression the end. MANIC666Well, thats quite a story. Sounds simple, but it seems since you DID respond to Prozac, your more likely than the rest of us to respond to SSRI.
Why on earth are you going back to the hospital? Can you cancel and just see GP? Can he/she prescribe the loz and A/D's? I need to reread Hospital post. Get back to me on questions about GP, what they can/can't prescribe.
Will GP continue to see you for depression/anxiety? If not, can GP write note to HDoc that you REQUIRE loz? and that you did very well with Prozac? Stay well and calm, no drinking?, so they don't admit you to hospital.
Stay calm, easy for me to say I know. Btw-is Cymbalta working at all? If not, I'd look for SSRI that works on anxiety, too. I hear Medline is a good sight. Connected to NIH or NIMH, might try those as well. If nothing else, try search and find sights connected to US Hospitals. I'll check around here, too. Talk soon.
~Jade
Posted by manic666 on November 17, 2008, at 4:09:30
In reply to Re: jade my history short vertion » manic666, posted by JadeKelly on November 16, 2008, at 18:05:31
ok , the doc who first gave ativan is now the head of the practice he is strict but ok , he didnt no like anyone in early days the sh*t ativan would cause.saying that it has taken some lives, but i believe it saved more/it is my best friend an worst enemy.the head doc gp said i would mabey be on loz for life. im ok with that if find A,D with anxiety help. i no the pain loseing the 6, loz an NNNNNNNo one wants that. the only reason he sent me to hospital was he was at a loss what next to try an he could see the distress i was in . i have a new hospital doc now who has many years pratice not like the last 2 graduates. its him what sent me to see if i was ok for CBT.I talked to the lady moments an i was aproved for the next course in jan. yes im worried why he seems to want me of the loz for the course, when he noes then i was running 50 50. when i see him i will go for the zoloft if he is ok with that but if he want to stop the loz at the same time i will say i want to keep the loz an if it means aborting the CBT SO BE IT.MANIC666
Posted by JadeKelly on November 17, 2008, at 20:15:37
In reply to Re jade an manic666, posted by manic666 on November 17, 2008, at 4:09:30
So will HDoc maybe add something for anxiety &/or Zoloft? Tell him last time you were taken off Loz it was a nightmare for you, you're not willing to go thru it again. You need Loz for anxiety and your hoping he'll prescribe Zoloft for your depression.
Tell him also that you don't have anywhere near enough time to SAFELY taper off the Loz, and you feel it would be of detriment to your overall treatment if you were going through ANY w/d symptoms at time of CBT & Zoloft (or whatever).
How's that? Will that work? Just don't get angry, and make it clear you want to get well. The only thing you won't consider is going off Loz.
Let me know what you think~Jade
Posted by Phillipa on November 17, 2008, at 21:05:06
In reply to Re: Re jade an manic666 » manic666, posted by JadeKelly on November 17, 2008, at 20:15:37
Wife or some girlfriend as manic is a hunky guy!!!!! Love Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on November 18, 2008, at 4:00:10
In reply to Re: Re jade an manic666 » JadeKelly, posted by Phillipa on November 17, 2008, at 21:05:06
jade that sounds good , but the question is the loz is probably not working now as a anxiety agent its just that i need it because the withdrawl will be bad .an the main illness is anxiety, that leads to depression if zoloft is a drug for both then we are rocking, but if it only smack,s the deppresion, i will have to go through anxiety before it holds off the depression , win one lose one. that may be the docs casemanic666
Posted by JadeKelly on November 18, 2008, at 15:49:32
In reply to Re: Re jade an manic666, posted by manic666 on November 18, 2008, at 4:00:10
> jade that sounds good , but the question is the loz is probably not working now as a anxiety agent its just that i need it because the withdrawl will be bad .an the main illness is anxiety, that leads to depression if zoloft is a drug for both then we are rocking, but if it only smack,s the deppresion, i will have to go through anxiety before it holds off the depression , win one lose one. that may be the docs casemanic666
Manic,I agree totally. I'm same on Klonopin. I doubt its doing anything for me, but I do have a healthy respect for SLOWWWWW withdrawal. Use the 10% rule starting now if u feel like it. I'm going to start tapering myself of Klon soon. Wanted to see what Parnate was doing for me without w/d added to it. Reduce benz by 1/2 pill per week. Ex: take 3 1/2 1st week, 3 second week, and so on. Check with Doc 1st of course. Good Luck!
~Jade
Posted by manic666 on November 20, 2008, at 4:38:17
In reply to Re: Re jade an manic666 » manic666, posted by JadeKelly on November 18, 2008, at 15:49:32
jade , there will be no tapper till i have been to the hospital, if the shrink puts me on zoloft thats the only med i get , no back up meds for anxiety . you get one an thats it, you do the trail if it fails you have weeks of sh*t, if it works then the loz goes out the window . not a place to live england if your a metal bleeder, i go to my GP tuesday an talk to him befor the hos pital but he can be overuled by the shrink doc. if you abort the trail there is a strong chance of you not being offered another its that bad.brian
Posted by JadeKelly on November 20, 2008, at 9:38:55
In reply to Re: Re jade an manic666, posted by manic666 on November 20, 2008, at 4:38:17
> jade , there will be no tapper till i have been to the hospital, if the shrink puts me on zoloft thats the only med i get , no back up meds for anxiety . you get one an thats it, you do the trail if it fails you have weeks of sh*t, if it works then the loz goes out the window . not a place to live england if your a metal bleeder, i go to my GP tuesday an talk to him befor the hos pital but he can be overuled by the shrink doc. if you abort the trail there is a strong chance of you not being offered another its that bad.brian
You gotta be kiddin me. They're gonna dicontinue your loz and put you on Zoloft and thats their big plan? That is ONE barbaric system you got over there. Don't know how you would w/d from loz so I would def start tapering off that today. No Joke Manic. You are going to be hurtin if you take loz right up to your Zoloft trial. You said you didn't care about the loz, right? Just the w/d? Maybe this forced w/d will finally make it so you are not a slave to Loz anymore. But get off it now cause Zoloft isn't going to kick in fast enough to cover that. How long does this trial at Hos last? What do you get out of it? It starts in January, right? Don't you get CBT also, in Dec? Let me know.
~Jade
PS- What is a tapper?
Posted by manic666 on November 20, 2008, at 13:00:30
In reply to Re: Re jade an manic666 » manic666, posted by JadeKelly on November 20, 2008, at 9:38:55
jade , i think you read it wrong, and i wrote it wrong or whatever. i mean im not tappering of the loz till i get some effect from zoloft. when i go to the hospital in dec i will still be on the 4. i will wait to see the shrinks plan.the C.B.T . starts jan. i dont want to feel like a sack of sh*t doing cbt that wont help anyone. if he stops the loz an the zoloft dont work im screwed . so i will say forget the cbt if thats your plan as i will no nothing on whats going on anyway. im going to the gp to explain that next tues to see if he will overule the shrink if needs must,loz an valium are about your limit hear for anxiety an valium to me is no go it just depress,s me more.also with christmas looming my grandkids an family need me.shorly even the dumbest shrink can see that.i need to be strong for them . hey i have been hear many times its just another day in the battle ,manic666
Posted by manic666 on November 20, 2008, at 13:12:11
In reply to Re: Re jade an manic666, posted by manic666 on November 20, 2008, at 13:00:30
jade , i forgot when i came out of hospital i shed 6 loz an a bottle of brandy,cold turkey i was forced, the gp gave me back 4 a day an i drank at that start but soon weened off,i felt like i was dead, but those 4 loz they gave me back saved my life so those 4 boys are special. manic666
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