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Posted by Racer on April 7, 2008, at 9:45:24
I'm thinking it might be worth trying. My doctor is looking into it for me. I know some people here have tried it. I'm hoping to hear how it has worked for you.
So, what have people experienced on tianeptine? And at what dosage?
Thanks!
Posted by bleauberry on April 7, 2008, at 18:50:59
In reply to Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc?), posted by Racer on April 7, 2008, at 9:45:24
Sorry Racer, I only tried it for one day. I had just stopped something else, and it was too early. I should take another look. The one day I did try it I felt a calming similar to a mild benzo. A felt a little more depressed and withdrawn. As you know, a one day trial at half the dose doesn't say anything.
Just like other drugs, I have seen stories of miraculous success and stories of disdain, as of the drug doing nothing, and everything inbetween. Clinical stuff looks good though. I guess you just gotta try it and see. You've been around the reuptake inhibitor game a long time. Seems to me to make sense to venture into a different mechanism of getting things done. While stablon is called a serotonin reuptake enhancer, I get the hunch it does a lot of other unidentified stuff. It seems to somehow work on stimulating dopamine function. People have actually taken massively high doses of it for the high they get at huge doses. At least you know you won't overdose on it. :-)
My vote is yeah, put the reuptake inhibitors in the closet. Stablon would not be popular around the world if it didn't work. People here and at other forums have done very well with it. Like everything else, some didn't. You know how the mileage thing works. But hey, reuptake inhibitors have had all the chance in the world with you. They have hogged the spotlight. Time for a new player to step up on the stage who might just be able to perform.
Posted by Sigismund on April 7, 2008, at 19:08:05
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc?), posted by bleauberry on April 7, 2008, at 18:50:59
Tianeptine is the only drug I've had a pretty positive experience with.
I used it for 2 years and it got me out of the house and doing stuff, volunteering and so on.It can be calming or agitating, and was both for me at different times, which is why I stopped. It feels uplifting and not deadening.
Some people have reported feeling more sensual on it. Some people say it makes them feel weird.I took up to 4 tabs a day, and then was on a lower dose.
It seemed without the sort of side effects one hears about with other ADs.
I got a mild reaction to using it (sinus mucuos) but that happens to me with lots of things.It was not difficult to stop.
Posted by Sigismund on April 7, 2008, at 19:09:09
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc?), posted by bleauberry on April 7, 2008, at 18:50:59
I knew from the first dose that it was going to work.
Posted by Quintal on April 8, 2008, at 10:41:29
In reply to Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc?), posted by Racer on April 7, 2008, at 9:45:24
I'm still taking the Coaxil brand, and I've been on it just over three weeks. I've taken it on about three seperate occasions in the past, and I keep coming back to it. It's the only antidepressant bar Parnate that has actually worked for me. It's not a spectacularly powerful antidepressant like Parnate, but I think part of the attraction is that it acutally works pretty well while having almost no side effects. Like Sigismund, I found it showed promise from day one. I felt the full effect by the second or third day - no waiting around for weeks like with SSRIs.
It tends to have a mellowing effect, maybe similar to codeine or amisulpride, although there is no noticeable high or 'rush', just a sense of 'glowing calm', if you will. I find it decreases my anxiety too, although not as much as a benzo. I sort of feel safer and more insulated. I've also noticed a reduction in physical (maybe fibromyalgia) pain. The recommeneded dose is three 12.5mg tablets a day, but I've taken as many as four a day in the beginnning to speed up the antidepressant response. Some days I take only two, it depends on how I'm feeling. Tianeptine is like that - you can adjust your dose to how you feel, a bit like with a benzo. Some days I find three or four tablets would make me feel a little 'too' calm, it's hard to describe, but almost like I'm too laid back about everything for comfort. I guess I must prefer to keep a competitive edge or something. Anyway, it's a good drug and I'd highly recommend you give it try whenever you can.
Q
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2008, at 15:11:51
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc, posted by Quintal on April 8, 2008, at 10:41:29
'Glowing calm' is a good decription (and a better state to be in than 'dead calm').
That's how it was for me for the first year.
Then for some reason the effect became stranger and less helpful.
I remember someone here saying it made him feel like he was on mushrooms!
Well, it never made me feel like that, but sometimes I felt a little disoriented and unpleasant toward the end.It wasn't hard to give up.
Posted by cactus on April 8, 2008, at 15:27:40
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc?), posted by Sigismund on April 7, 2008, at 19:08:05
> Tianeptine is the only drug I've had a pretty positive experience with.
> I used it for 2 years and it got me out of the house and doing stuff, volunteering and so on.
>
> It can be calming or agitating, and was both for me at different times, which is why I stopped. It feels uplifting and not deadening.
> Some people have reported feeling more sensual on it. Some people say it makes them feel weird.
>
> I took up to 4 tabs a day, and then was on a lower dose.
> It seemed without the sort of side effects one hears about with other ADs.
> I got a mild reaction to using it (sinus mucuos) but that happens to me with lots of things.
>
> It was not difficult to stop.
That's interesting Sigismund, it sounds very similar to my experience with modafinil in relation to...* It can be calming or agitating, and was both for me at different times, which is why I stopped. It feels uplifting and not deadening.*
Although I'm not taking modafinil for depression (at the moment anyway), it helped me from the first dose (EDS and shift work.) I'm also on 5mg of clonazepam a day, which I'm tapering down now.
I've had no side effects from modafinil with the exception of feeling a little strange for the first few days which is hard to put into words...
Compared to SSRI's I don't get withdrawals if I miss a few days. I haven't stopped it, but having suffered from multiple bouts of depression over the years I think it would be a great idea for the medical profession to explore the possibilities of using it as an AD, which I think they are. I just know I would benefit from it in that aspect too. It just sucks because it's so expensive, but work aside, at least I'm getting out and about again in my spare time.
Is it available in Australia if I can't afford modafinil anymore? It might be a good option for me in the future.
Racer, have you tried modafinil? I'd be interested to hear your feedback on it if you have, and you too Quintal?
Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this thread so you can b-mail me your replies if you like, so it can continue on it's way as Racer intended it too. C
Posted by Sigismund on April 8, 2008, at 15:52:22
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc » Sigismund, posted by cactus on April 8, 2008, at 15:27:40
Hello Cactus
I'm sure the thread will survive.
I took Adrafinil in a particularly difficult time of my life and it worked well, and I stopped that for just the same reasons.
Tianeptine is not available in Australia.
Some sources are very much cheaper than others.
Posted by Racer on April 9, 2008, at 8:03:37
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc » Sigismund, posted by cactus on April 8, 2008, at 15:27:40
>> Racer, have you tried modafinil? I'd be interested to hear your feedback on it if you have,
Yes, I have. In fact, I took modafinil on and off -- mostly on -- for about two years. It worked well for me, was a great mood brightener for most of the time I took it, and I experienced no adverse effects for most of that time.
Until, after about two years, it started to increase my depression. It was a gradual thing, and I was on other meds by that time, but it was also a pretty pronounced thing, too.
During the period when it worked well for me, it was brilliant -- fewest adverse effects of any medication I had ever taken, cleanest AD response I'd ever had -- and I was quite sorry that it didn't continue in that manner. The only adverse effect I had was a funny sort of headache each day for the first few weeks -- not really painful, more like pressure on my skull, and it was regular as clockwork. I could nearly set my watch by it. Otherwise, only benefits for as long as it lasted.
Hope that helps.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on April 12, 2008, at 21:47:25
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc » cactus, posted by Racer on April 9, 2008, at 8:03:37
i found that tianeptine, on a daily basis, caused some irritability sometimes and at others overreactions of sadness
but i used it as needed to persuade myself to socialize
also found it prosexualbut it also triggered my busy mouth reaction that makes me crazier in the en
Posted by Jimmyboy on April 13, 2008, at 12:10:26
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc » Sigismund, posted by cactus on April 8, 2008, at 15:27:40
I say try it. I took it successfully for several months and it worked well, but the longer I took it , I seemed to have more anxiety. This could have been caused by Stablon, or have nothing to do with it. It has such benign side effects and is easy to come off of, so why not give it a shot?
Posted by elanor roosevelt on April 16, 2008, at 22:14:35
In reply to Re: Who's tried tianeptine? (Stablon, Coaxil, etc, posted by Jimmyboy on April 13, 2008, at 12:10:26
my reaction to tianeptine is immediate and so i am able to use it in emergency social phobia situations
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