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Posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 0:38:49
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remeron » Girlnterrupted78, posted by yznhymer on August 10, 2007, at 18:14:15
I'm pretty positive he's not clinically depressed. I mean, he could be traumatized and shocked over his loss of sexual function. But he doesn't suffer from 'clinical depression'--the kind that afflicts people (like us) for life and that not even life positive events will reverse.
He's just in shock and traumatized after suffering from such an meaningful loss for him.
Imagine losing a leg or an arm. Would you be depressed knowing you lost your arm forever? If this happened to a healthy person, he would not necessarily become clinically depressed, but he'd be traumatized and overwhelmed, and it would take him a long time to come to terms with it.
And in a guy like him, who used to be outgoing and sexual (not depressed or phobic), it is quite a shock and a huge loss, because an amazing part of his life is GONE. He's no longer able to date, after having amazing dates in his life. Dating is embarrassing and shameful, so no more dates, ever.
So I'm positive he doesn't suffer from depression, although it would be understandable for someone to get depressed over a terrible life situation like this.
However, that supposed 'depression' that you mention is NOT the 'cause' of the sexual dysfunction. Rather, the sexual dysfunction would be the cause of the 'supposed' depression, if he were to become depressed over this.
No chicken or egg situation.
Posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 1:02:51
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero, posted by infectedmushrooms on August 11, 2007, at 16:45:11
One more thing:
My friend wasn't taking Remeron alone. He was also taking Seroquel and Concerta along with Remeron.
I wonder if the combination might have caused the permanent sexual dysfunction, or if it was the Remeron alone?
He says he's pretty sure that it was the Remeron that caused the damage. Supposedly, the manufacturer of Remeron claims that there's no sexual side effects associated with Remeron.
However, new updates on Remeron show that 40% of people taking it experience sexual side effects.
Could this be possible? I haven't seen the statistics, but my friend has and that's what he found.
Any info on this?
Thanks
Posted by yznhymer on August 12, 2007, at 2:18:38
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » yznhymer, posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 0:38:49
> I'm pretty positive he's not clinically depressed. I mean, he could be traumatized and shocked over his loss of sexual function. But he doesn't suffer from 'clinical depression'--the kind that afflicts people (like us) for life and that not even life positive events will reverse.
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> He's just in shock and traumatized after suffering from such an meaningful loss for him.
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> Imagine losing a leg or an arm. Would you be depressed knowing you lost your arm forever? If this happened to a healthy person, he would not necessarily become clinically depressed, but he'd be traumatized and overwhelmed, and it would take him a long time to come to terms with it.
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> And in a guy like him, who used to be outgoing and sexual (not depressed or phobic), it is quite a shock and a huge loss, because an amazing part of his life is GONE. He's no longer able to date, after having amazing dates in his life. Dating is embarrassing and shameful, so no more dates, ever.
>
> So I'm positive he doesn't suffer from depression, although it would be understandable for someone to get depressed over a terrible life situation like this.
>
> However, that supposed 'depression' that you mention is NOT the 'cause' of the sexual dysfunction. Rather, the sexual dysfunction would be the cause of the 'supposed' depression, if he were to become depressed over this.
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> No chicken or egg situation.Clinical depression does not necessarily afflict people for life, nor is it necessarily immune to treatment or even resolving itself for that matter. All cases are not like the ones we, ourselves, suffer.
As you know, the two hallmarks of depressions are loss of interest in or pleasure from activities that you used to enjoy, and feeling sad, helpless or hopeless. There are other symptoms as well, but your friend says his emotions are completely dead and he can't enjoy ANYTHING anymore, and he is hopeless to the point of not wanting to live.
Depression in response to a traumatic event or condition is called an Adjustment Disorder. It is one of the major types of depression:
"Adjustment disorders. If a loved one dies, you lose your job or you receive a diagnosis of cancer, it's perfectly normal to feel tense, sad, overwhelmed or angry. Eventually, most people come to terms with the lasting consequences of life stresses, but some don't. This is what's known as an adjustment disorder — when your response to a stressful event or situation causes signs and symptoms of depression. Some people develop an adjustment disorder in response to a single event. In others, it stems from a combination of stressors. Adjustment disorders can be acute (lasting less than six months) or chronic (lasting longer). Doctors classify adjustment disorders based on the primary signs and symptoms of depression or anxiety." Mayo Clinic
If he's not coming to terms with his situation and the shock and trauma are not resolving themselves - and I would say if he's feeling suicidal it sounds like they aren't, then he may very well have an adjustment disorder, i.e., depression.
My point about the chicken and the egg is it doesn't really matter which came first. If he's depressed now, 1) it could be perpetuating the sexual dysfunction even if something else caused it and, more importantly 2) if he's suicidal, hopeless, traumatized, then he should be getting some professional help. At the very least, in my humble opinion, he should have a professional, not you, me or himself (under the circumstances) assess whether he's clinically depressed or not.
I'm not suggesting that his sexual problem is not real or was not caused by his experience with medication. I am not suggesting that it did not cause his current state of mind. I am not even suggesting that it doesn't need to be addressed directly as a problem in and of itself. All I'm suggesting is that his state of mind can very well be contributing to the perpetuation of the problem and might need to be addressed as part of the solution. More importantly, because if he's suicidal his life is at stake, his mental state in and of itself sounds serious enough to warrant professional attention.
I really do hope your friend finds some relief soon and I commend your efforts to help him. Good luck to you both.
Y
Posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 6:17:47
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » girlnterrupted78, posted by yznhymer on August 12, 2007, at 2:18:38
Thank you for your input, yznhymer.
The thing I still don't understand is, how would depression 'cause' or 'perpetuate' sexual dysfunction?
Like infectedmushrooms said, even adolescents who are clinically depressed have strong libidos despite their inability to use them due to their depression/social anxiety.
Depression doesn't 'cause' sexual dysfunction. Antidepressants do.
I agree that being suicidal requires professional help. You're right on that. However, my friend thinks that seeing doctors has been his worst experience, as they simply don't believe that those "glorious" medications could cause long-term damage. Do you think he wants to see more doctors?
I do believe he should maybe see a therapist to deal with this, but again, a therapist won't solve the issue, either. It will only help him come to terms with it, and while he might need that, my purpose here is to find a chemical culprit and the solution. I'll speak to him about the therapist, but I'm interested in the topic of neurotransmitters and chemical solutions for him, so if you know of any, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks again,
GI78
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 12, 2007, at 12:04:12
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » infectedmushrooms, posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 0:08:15
"Does Selegiline is known for improving libido? I know Wellbutrin supposedly is prescribed along with SSRI's that have as a side effect decreased libido. But I wonder if it would be a good idea for him to start trying drugs and everything out there? Or is it better to remain clean and try natural ways? "
Selegiline effects primarily dopamine pathways and is used to enhance libido and lift depression...On the bad side it can increase heart rate and increase anxiety...It does also effect serotonin receptors...I wouldn't recommend a prescription for ENSAM if were to try it only the pills that metabolize in the body which you can get on the internet fairly cheap and start with small doses and cycle and work his way up...I have tried the patch not the pills and it messed me up worse I think b/c it hits the brain too quickly... but I have heard the pills are more tolerated and not as bad for the body...
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> Yeah, that's exactly what he says. He knows it's got to do with the receptors and possibly neurotransmitter depletion. I've heard of something called amino acid therapy, where they get a urine sample to determine what neurotransmitters are deficient. Then they give you supplements like 5HTP, L-tyrosine, Gaba, etc. I've haven't tried it with a real specialist, but I read a book called mood cure and on my own took several supplements. It didn't do anything for me, but again, I didn't have a urine sample or did it with a specialist. Are you familiar at all with that method?
Amino acid therapy seems like bs...Urine samples are not however b/c they should tell you what neurotransmitters are not in optimal range... but to use an IV and inject aminos for several hours at a time would just shock the body...The body can only take so much at a time on a consistent basis...Yes I have heard of it and considered doing it but realized after more research things need to be done slowly for the body to heal...
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> >I find the only thing that is starting to give me some libido back are whey protein...liver supporting supplements...immune enahcing supplements like acidophilus and vitamins...adaptogens and specific smart drugs need to be tried as well for NGF as well as longer periods of abstinence from sexual activity...
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"Are you serious? So how much progress do you think such proteins and supplements have accomplished in your recovery? Let's say, from 0-10 (zero being completely impotent) where were you first, and where are you now after those supplements, and in how long?"Before supplements I am zero(flatline) with them in my system it hovers around 2 to 3 for a few hours and I can even get erections and the numbness in my genitals goes away then it goes back to 0 at certain parts of the day...But I am becoming more specific with them and using trial and error with the right ones and also it is important to cycle them and only take precursors to neurotranmitters so the body doesn't think it has to stop making them...I am slowly learning everything I told you..I am no where near healed I just uncovered the aspects of healing through various books and reading as well as with with all the reading and testimonials on the internet I have done for the past 8 months...
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> >I am currently on Piracetam and may try to hit another cholinergenic to get things jump started...There is a board I belong to where people lost sex drives from over-masturbation and drugs as well...http://recover.forumup.org/
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>"Thanks for the website. I will let him know.
So how do you know that the whey protein and supplements made the trick, if you're also taking piracetam?"Sometimes one drug will work a few times and have what I call "a wear and tear effect" You are actually overexerting and ultra-sensitizing whatever is left and sometimes this can give your sex drive back for a day or 2 but can prolong healing if you keep taking that drug...I have heard of people completely reversing their Sexual Dysfunction for 1 or 2 days with say Dostinex which is a strong D2 receptor but then it flatlines at zero on subsequent doses...My theory for that is deficiencies of specific aminos in the brain but no one really knows why...
"You seem to be taking several things, so it's hard to pinpoint which one might be helping."
>"A whey protein contains every amino in the book...Yes it is hard to say...But I think Piracetam is giving more emotion back so I am working currently on acetycholine neurotransmitters then dopamine which I know was also depleted/destroyed...My theory is you have to work with the body as a whole as well...You can keep taking dopamine without balancing out another nuerotranmitter and also from my my own hypothesis based on some research one neurotransmitter has to be increased first for the other one to become effective again...Trial and error again like I said...No one really knows..."
> > I don't believe depression is the cause of his sex based on my own experience...
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> "Agreed."
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> >But going to doctors and specialists is probably the worst route...So is over researching and thinking its hopeless...
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> "Why is over researching hopeless? Isn't that what you've done and what we'd be doing if we go to that website? It's research and more research.. which needs to be done in order to target the right brain receptor.">>I shouldn't have said it the way I did...I easily contradicted myself...What I mean is researching on hopeless aspects of the drug...I actually over-researched into all the negativity of it and joined forums where people say it is hopeless or its permanent with the "presenting facts"..My research now is now in a more positive frame for example seeing what supplements increase GABA, how to take this supplement, what foods should I take, what did the drug deplete...I'm sorry about not being clear before....You may still see that as being contradictory its kind of hard to explain in words...
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> Thats why people with parkinson's lose their sex drive and they become hypersexual on their l-dopa drugs b/c it has to do with neurotransmitters...
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> "What is l-dopa? And would that work for my friend?"
> Any anti-parkinsons drug "MAY" work but like I said about the "wear and tear" be careful...He may want to try something like Adderral or ritalin as I heard of people actually reversing their symptoms of SD by cycling them...Make sure he cycles if he were to try them starting at as low dose as possible then working his way up... I still haven't tried any of those yet...Also I don't think they are bad drugs compared to the newer drugs today they are also considered nootropics...But safety depends on how it is used and time period b/c I have heard of people becoming impotent on using ritalin or adderral too long without cycling..They are essentially amphetamines in pill form but relatively safer and controlled..It depends on what receptors were depleted/destroyed so they may or may not have an effect although I would say most likely he could get an instant one but don't know how well his system could take considering I don't know which of his cells are ultra or de-sensitized..On one hand it has been 2 years without drugs in his system so I think it most likely will work for him...> > The drug he took may not have been a neuroleptic but anything altering neurotransission in the brain can change gene expression and that too can be reversed through change of attitude and other ways...
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> "Change of attitude? I don't understand that. How can a change of attitude cure a neurotransmitter problem? That sounds like magic "I change my attitude and my problems are gone... It's not clear what you're trying to say there.">What I am saying is change in attitude can change gene expression and that increases NK cells in the body...Natural Killer cells...People who are depressed have less NK cells...They are important for immunity and body repair...Good attitude also increases endorphins also essential for brain repair...Meditation is shown to increase GABA so is exercise...Change in attitude must be long term however maybe a couple months to start seeing a real consistent concrete change...I have heard of people doing this and actually got better although not 100% but sometimes close...I still think supplements are necessary however in attaining 100% libido...I have not mustered up the stregnth yet to do this complete attitude reversal but I am working on it...
> >The body is remarkable in its abiliy to heal when everything is still intact...I mean he didn't lose a limb or became paralyzed...I think he will recover 100% once he learns to settle down accept the situation as it is and try his best to get his drive back....
>
"Again, that sounds like magic. Accept the situation and you'll get cured? How would you get cured by accepting the situation? I've accepted that I'm depressed since 12 years ago. That didn't cure me. That just put me en route to find the cure through trying ADs and therapy, but I've tried tons of things (including diet and exercise) and I'm still not cured."Accepting means just stop for a second and listen...You have no sex drive right now b/c of those f*kin drugs...Yes...But I am going to get it back...Don't accept that it will never come back but accept where you are at right "NOW"...You cannot change the fact these drugs f*ked up your life even after taking them up until this point...But accept the fact that you cannot change the fact the situation at the current moment exists...That kind of thing..But "attitude" is the number one thing in healing according to books I have been reading...Again I can't muster up that attitude yet personally but I believe in it...
>I have spent countless hours researching and believe I may know how to fix this...Like I said in the previous post being as stress free as possible, diet, exercise, and time and specific smart drugs and supplements will probably allow him to recover 100% it is just a matter of the will of the individual...
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"I thought you said that over-research and thinking about it wouldn't work. But it's working for you.. When you say you 'may' know how to fix it, you mean with diet, exercise and time, smart drugs & supplements? Has that worked for you already, or you're making a supposition?"Before I was over-researching risperdal and how in rats it destroyed their sex drives and organs etc...I now am researching more positive aspects on the brains ability to heal with proper diet nutrition healthy habits etc...Over-researching isn't bad just depending on the subject of what researched..I even block out certain sites now with my router but do occasionally check in on them every month or so for more information...
> "Well, thanks a lot for the info. If you could clarify the points I didn't understand I'd really appreciate it. I will pass the website on to my friend as well..
> Thanks again,
> GI78"
>
> NP,,,and believe me I am just as frustrated as your friend...and I am basically the same age I'll be 23 in about a month and the sad thing is girls are coming up to me now its weird being in this state...My life has literally been hell for 5 years b/c of a dislocated jaw which caused pain and anxiety 24/7 and now I have this to deal with this as well...I was horny as hell even in that state so you see anxiety and depression didn't do sh*t to me...It was the drugs... Sometimes I feel cursed but maybe someday I will find nirvana...I wish your friend all the best and I am confident that he can heal 100% its just a matter of applying things I mentioned which is way easier said than done and its not an easy route to doing trial and error with drugs and supplements..He also needs support of people around him which is why I think you are a great person for trying to help him along with this..he would have never had to face any of this if it wasn't for the drugs that put him under....Although people will say it is depression etc or trauma/shock that he lost it while on the drug this just is not true...He knows his body better than anyone else and b/c there are thousands out there just like him it puts a lot more credence to what he says despite the f*kin drug corporations not owning up to it which is why it is so hard for people to believe your friend...
The internet is the only source people would admit sh*t and you have to take what you read out there with a grain of salt sometimes but usually a lot of sh*t is true as well...b/c who the f*k in their right minds would say my sex drive never came back after taking drugs even on the internet...And if you try to take it to court or sue a drug company how could you win when your only source is people on the internet who took drugs for depression and anxiety to begin with...The only evidence would be if someone took a baseline hormones blood test then after taking the drugs it was radically altered ...its a f*ked up world we are living in where money > morality....
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 12, 2007, at 13:21:03
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » infectedmushrooms, posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 1:02:51
> One more thing:
>
> My friend wasn't taking Remeron alone. He was also taking Seroquel and Concerta along with Remeron.
>
> I wonder if the combination might have caused the permanent sexual dysfunction, or if it was the Remeron alone?
>
> He says he's pretty sure that it was the Remeron that caused the damage. Supposedly, the manufacturer of Remeron claims that there's no sexual side effects associated with Remeron.
>
> However, new updates on Remeron show that 40% of people taking it experience sexual side effects.
>
> Could this be possible? I haven't seen the statistics, but my friend has and that's what he found.
>
> Any info on this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Any cocktail of meds can cause synnergistic reactions with other drugs...for example when I took risperdal i took it with max dose of zoloft...In the official documentation on their website it says when taking with Fluorexetine it can increase plasma of risperdal 3.5-5-9 fold...and the documentation doesn't even specify the dosage of the ssri taken which for me was max dose of zoloft...So when you mix drugs together the brain is altered much more radically...and when we are dealing with pharmacueticals here especially i'm conerned about the seroquel since it is a atypical neuroleptic...the interaction can be pretty harmful to brain cells...So most likely it was a combination although your friend may still believe it was remeron and I can't for sure say your friend is wrong either...It could have been rameron in his system with the other drugs when he took it made him to lose his drive... b/c I think it was just risperdal for me that did it b/c I took max dose of ssris for 2 years prior and had a massive sex drive... it could also have been a combination as well...It is important to not just think about what the drug targeted but specifically what each drug by themselves depleted...I would go to pubmed and do some researching on that...I know risperdal depletes l-glutamate/l-glutathione stores which is responsible for gaba reception and it also polarizes d2 receptors...But each drug depletes something in the brain and destroys it...Whats important again tho is to not overanylize it and work with essentially slightly absent-minded experimentation...No one will no in a billion years the exact reactions that were done to the brain with the cocktail administered...But that doesn't mean it can't be healed and be back to near homeostasis again...through experimentation...;)
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 13, 2007, at 9:43:38
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero, posted by infectedmushrooms on August 12, 2007, at 12:04:12
Thank you for your reply, infectedmushrooms.
I notice you mention that you believe amino acid therapy might be bs. What makes you think so? Because I notice you mention some supplements you are using, some of which might be amino acids.
I was under the impression that using certain (natural) supplements had a positive impact in neurotransmitters--and we're talking natural supplements, as opposed to drugs and AD's.
I was in fact reading the website you provided http://recover.forumup.org/ and went to the success stories section.
Apparently one of the recovery cases (blueshark) accomplished great progress through using several amino acids and supplements.
I just wonder how did he figure out the gigantic combo he ended up taking. He doesn't mention if he went to a holistic specialist.
He mentions doing some reading, but that might be dangerous because no matter how much you read, some supplements might not be good for your specific case, and god knows what effects they could have in you when you don't have the background knowledge of body chemistry and reactions.
How did you figure out the combo you're currently taking? Is that something you read about, or did you see a specialist? Like I said before, I read a book once which dealt with this subject, and it recommended some relatively safe supplements.
But the list this guy has is huge, and it has tons of different things. It makes me wonder where he got so much information.
Anyway, if you know where to get this info, I'd really appreciate your help on this.
Thanks a lot,
GI78
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 13, 2007, at 12:05:26
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » infectedmushrooms, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 13, 2007, at 9:43:38
When you said amino acid therapy I thought you meant they inject an IV in your veins as listed on some sites for drug abusers..for some reason i was thinking of this site http://www.noraa.org/amino_acid_therapy.html for some reason...I wasn't thinking about the more conventional way...my bad...
Yeah in a sense I am doing a slower amino acid therapy but at much slower paces...Sorry about the confusion again....Amino acids are the building blocks of nuerotransmitters as we all know...There is a reason why I am not fully recovered just by taking all amino acids and that would probably be b/c my receptors have been destroyed and desensitized due to oversensitization to begin with...I have talked to a guy with the same problem as me and he is probably still studying risperdal if I had to guess...He said these injuries don't heal on their own...Meaning time alone will not fix the problem... but another guy I talked directly with as well I managed to help him heal almost back to normal through recommendations...I don't know if hes 100% yet but I think he is getting pretty closer and closer each day..ultimately he healed himself though b/c he saw what was working and what wasn't...and this was all within a few months.....The reason it is taking me longer to heal is b/c my liver imo...I continued taking ssris after risperdal so my body has to fix more damage...This guy also took risperdal for slightly less time than me too...He takes whey protein and now piracetam like me and I still believe it is still probably important to take aminos for the rebuilding of cells that will utilize them again although it is possible but unlikely it is doing more harm than good but when I take them I get some establishment of libido so I am guessing it is good...Another problem that I didn't mention that I should have is Hypothalamus-Pituitary-Testes Axis disruption...When your friend took the drugs he didn't have a sex drive on it for 8 months...This could severely alter the axis and hormone glands are no longer in sync with one another creating disturbances to the adrenals/thyroid and who knows what else...This can be also seen in steroid users sometimes who don't cycle properly...This is mentioned on the forum mentioned too...There are so many variables to consider...He definitely needs to get some extensive blood work done to start figuring out what is mainly wrong and work from there...I just had 12 viles of blood taken the other day to test virtually everything there is...I will post some of my results when I get them..including vitamin levels/thyroid etc...so I can try to further pinpoint what is going on rather than just rely solely on trial and error with supplements...Also he could try neurotransmitter testing like you mentioned earlier through saliva or urine samples which i plan to do in the near future...I don't think there are any holistic specialists out there right now that would truly know how to treat someone like your friend or myself not to say that there isn't...It would be very difficult to find one i'm guessing and even if they were good at what they did they can only attempt to fix the problem with maybe special adaptogens/herbs or a recommended diet... it is ultimately up to the individual imo or if your lucky drugs by themselves...One book I get my information from is pretty popular on the recover forum...Is called the The Edge Effect...It pretty much discusses what aminos you could be lacking and how to fix those problems with supplements and in severe deficiencies drugs...Another place where I get my information on what are truly the best supplements to buy as well as other health information is http://www.imminst.org/forum/....I also have read several nutrition books...Healing With Whole Foods by paul pitchford and create your own supplement plan by another person I don't have in front of me...I have about $3,000 in supplements in my room but take each one sparingly to see which one is the best for me...Diet plays a major role believe it or not although it may not be evident for sometimes up to two years...It take a long time to regenerate cells in the body and light exercise is also imperitive for neurogenesis as well as lots of rest...Liver toxification is another issue i am currently working on...with a stagnant liver toxins remain in the body forever until it is cleansed and then healing occurs at much faster rates...I sometimes think I know how to heal then fall back but I am coming closer to an understanding of the foundation by reading all aspects into everything...I am a walking encyclopedia by now b/c I became so obsessed with getting my sex drive back I even dropped out of school....here is another post i did a while back explaining what happened to me and some things not mentioned http://www.drugs-forum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=30921
There is so much you can learn just by other people and that is why recovery forums or PSSD forum are great places to start...although PSSD forum can make you pretty upset so I don't go there as much as i did but it has also some of the best and most recent information from other people there with the same problems....The moderator there is a real scientist who got affected just from one SSRI celexa and he can give you excellent advice based on what he has read from others and answers your questions rather speedily...
In answer to your question about blueshark he says he take armour b/c he has a thyroid problem...That i am guessing is one of his major issues...He may have to be on that the rest of his life as it is taken for people with hypothyroidism which he didn't have until i guess he claimed to have over-masturbated...which I guess is possible...
His sources are the same as everyone elses im sure trial and error and independent research and he found his cure...I don't think he took drugs however so it would be harder for our case to be solved...
> Thank you for your reply, infectedmushrooms.
>
> I notice you mention that you believe amino acid therapy might be bs. What makes you think so? Because I notice you mention some supplements you are using, some of which might be amino acids.
>
> I was under the impression that using certain (natural) supplements had a positive impact in neurotransmitters--and we're talking natural supplements, as opposed to drugs and AD's.
>
> I was in fact reading the website you provided http://recover.forumup.org/ and went to the success stories section.
>
> Apparently one of the recovery cases (blueshark) accomplished great progress through using several amino acids and supplements.
>
> I just wonder how did he figure out the gigantic combo he ended up taking. He doesn't mention if he went to a holistic specialist.
>
> He mentions doing some reading, but that might be dangerous because no matter how much you read, some supplements might not be good for your specific case, and god knows what effects they could have in you when you don't have the background knowledge of body chemistry and reactions.
>
> How did you figure out the combo you're currently taking? Is that something you read about, or did you see a specialist? Like I said before, I read a book once which dealt with this subject, and it recommended some relatively safe supplements.
>
> But the list this guy has is huge, and it has tons of different things. It makes me wonder where he got so much information.
>
> Anyway, if you know where to get this info, I'd really appreciate your help on this.
>
> Thanks a lot,
> GI78
Posted by SometimesBlue on August 13, 2007, at 15:10:14
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » yznhymer, posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 6:17:47
Hi GI,
I'm 25 and for many years, due to depression, I had absolutely no sex drive. Sex wasn't pleasurable and I never reached orgasm. It became so bad that sex became more of a mechanical thing than emotional. In fact, it wasn't until I resolved *some* of my emotional issues that I was finally able to have an orgasm...that was at the age of 21.
Depression does absolutely effect one's ability to derive any pleasure from life, inluding sex. Additionally, having an orgasm is in a large part a mental thing, you can prevent yourself from enjoying sex/having an orgasm if you're depressed. Which does make it a vicious cycle, because then it seems like one condition is just worsening the other.
But I say all that to just point out that you shouldn't rule out the depression as a factor in his ordeal.
**Also, has he tried seeing a sex therapist, not just a regular therapist, but someone who specializes in sexual behavior and disfunctions? There are also wholistic therapists?
Good luck.
SB
> The thing I still don't understand is, how would depression 'cause' or 'perpetuate' sexual dysfunction?
> Like infectedmushrooms said, even adolescents who are clinically depressed have strong libidos despite their inability to use them due to their depression/social anxiety.
> Depression doesn't 'cause' sexual dysfunction. Antidepressants do.
> I agree that being suicidal requires professional help. You're right on that. However, my friend thinks that seeing doctors has been his worst experience, as they simply don't believe that those "glorious" medications could cause long-term damage. Do you think he wants to see more doctors?
>
> I do believe he should maybe see a therapist to deal with this, but again, a therapist won't solve the issue, either. It will only help him come to terms with it, and while he might need that, my purpose here is to find a chemical culprit and the solution. I'll speak to him about the therapist, but I'm interested in the topic of neurotransmitters and chemical solutions for him, so if you know of any, I'd really appreciate it.
>
> Thanks again,
> GI78
>
Posted by mike lynch on August 13, 2007, at 19:45:24
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remeron » Girlnterrupted78, posted by Jedi on August 10, 2007, at 13:10:19
> ...
> He said his emotions are completely dead and he can't enjoy anything anymore, let alone sex.
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has any experience on this matter? The guy is in mental shock and keeps saying he's going to kill himself over this. He just can't bear a life like this. He's just 23, and he's sexually dysfunctional "for life" or so he thinks/has been told by specialists.
> ...
>
> Hi GI,
> It sounds to me like he is severely depressed. Depression can wipe out the sex drive plus the ability to enjoy anything. It is more likely the depression or some other medication he is on, rather than the mirtazapine he took two years ago, that is killing his sex drive. Ask him what other meds he is taking?
> Take care,
> Jedi
>Sorry though. That excuse no longer flies for me or the thousands of others afflicted with permanent sexual dysfunction induced by ssri's. The fellow went on for OCD, to dismiss it as sadness is just wrong. A person knows when depression is the culplrit, that's interfering with your life. And doctor and professionals have blurred the line between disease and side effects so much that people are unknowingly experiencing long term side effects that they believe is the condition itself..
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 13, 2007, at 19:45:29
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » girlnterrupted78, posted by SometimesBlue on August 13, 2007, at 15:10:14
Yes but during those years were your genitals completely numb and did you wake up with erections, cant get spontaneous erections ever, and have problems even j*rking off?...depression can make sex less enjoyable of course and for some have inabiilty achieving orgasm yes...but it shouldn't give you the above symptoms otherwise it is considered hypogonadism...Your body is in an unconcious state when it about wakes up so if you aren't getting erections in the morning its a sign of hypogonadism induced by the drugs?....Also you got your sex drive back by resolving those issues you were having...It's not that simple when your nuerotransmitters have been f*ked with by drugs..It's completely different...One is ability to perform sex but having the ability in tact...The other is having the ability wiped away like chemical castration and they can sometimes have similiar symptoms like many diagnoses for different diseases have overlapping symptoms its just not the same thing at all...Our brain is all chemicals reactions and once you mess with the delicate harmonious actions of nuerotransmitters it can change everything about that individual from his personality to even his sexual ability...
> Hi GI,
>
> I'm 25 and for many years, due to depression, I had absolutely no sex drive. Sex wasn't pleasurable and I never reached orgasm. It became so bad that sex became more of a mechanical thing than emotional. In fact, it wasn't until I resolved *some* of my emotional issues that I was finally able to have an orgasm...that was at the age of 21.
>
> Depression does absolutely effect one's ability to derive any pleasure from life, inluding sex. Additionally, having an orgasm is in a large part a mental thing, you can prevent yourself from enjoying sex/having an orgasm if you're depressed. Which does make it a vicious cycle, because then it seems like one condition is just worsening the other.
>
> But I say all that to just point out that you shouldn't rule out the depression as a factor in his ordeal.
>
> **Also, has he tried seeing a sex therapist, not just a regular therapist, but someone who specializes in sexual behavior and disfunctions? There are also wholistic therapists?
>
> Good luck.
> SB
>
>
>
Posted by mike lynch on August 13, 2007, at 19:58:44
In reply to Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remeron, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 10, 2007, at 10:06:59
> He's clean of antidepressants now--for two years. And he claims he's not depressed. He just lost feelings of enjoyment due to his condition (the sexual dysfunction.)
>
> He's 23--he used to have a healthy sexual life before this happened, and now he's got nothing other than shame and can't enjoy sex anymore, even though he keeps meeting girls--which makes matters worse.
>
> He's been telling me he's suicidal and that he's been chickening out the few times he was ready to do it. But that's his thinking right now, just to really kill himself.
>
> If he has any "depressive" feelings, they're only related to his condition, and not actual clinical depression alone. The reason he ever took antidepressants was not due to depression, but because he has OCD and his mom and shrink forced him to take Remeron.
>
> Is there a cure for this? Or is he doomed to have no recovery?I just want to say I'm experiencing everything this guy is experiencing. NO emotions, sexual dysfunction, mental slowness. This all happened after paxil. AFter doing research I realized other people were experiencing these problems to and it was labeled as pssd - NOT attributed to the condition. I know that some people here who would like to blame it on the condition mean well, but if you research a little deeper, you can see that this is clearly a case of a minority of people that don't go back to normal after ssri use.
Here are some case reports..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16709553
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16466303
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=16636635Just look in the babble archives. There are lots of people experiencing these permanent effects, any more who probably think it's because of the condition, this is very real and scary..
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 13, 2007, at 22:19:33
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero, posted by infectedmushrooms on August 13, 2007, at 12:05:26
Wow, infectedmushrooms, $3000 is quite a lot of money on supplements! Lucky you, who can spend that amount in trials and errors.
>another guy I talked directly with as well I managed to help him heal almost back to normal through recommendations...I don't know if hes 100% yet but I think he is getting pretty closer and closer each day..ultimately he healed himself though b/c he saw what was working and what wasn't...and this was all within a few months....
How did this guy heal himself? Could you give me some examples of supplements and/or other approaches he took in order to recover in such a short time? Also, did he become sexually dysfunctional because of an SSRI, or due to a different reason?
My friend said that the doctor he's seeing prescribed him fish oil. Do you know if this could possibly help him heal in any way? He's also in the cross country team in college and he's trying to do as much strenuous physical exercise as possible.
Do you exercise? What kind of exercise do you do? Do you happen to know what kind of exercise is best to help recover from this condition?
Thanks again,
GI78
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 13, 2007, at 22:30:28
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » girlnterrupted78, posted by SometimesBlue on August 13, 2007, at 15:10:14
Thanks for your message, SometimesBlue, but my friend has never suffered from depression.
The only reason he was given Remeron was because of OCD. He had a pretty healthy sexual life before taking that antidepressant. He never had issues with sex or depression prior to Remeron.
So I cannot assume that Remeron TURNED my happy friend into a depressive, and that such "post-Remeron-induced-depression" is causing sexual dysfunction.
Does that make any sense? Not to me. Lots of people seem to want to jump to that conclusion, but it really makes no sense because he had a healthy sexual life, and no depression, before taking the medication.
It seems to me that the explanation is simple: The medication for OCD (Remeron) altered in some way my friend's neural receptors messing with his sexual functionality.
Thank you for your message, though. I know that depression can also cause sexual dysfunction, although I honestly think this is not the case here.
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 13, 2007, at 23:10:42
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero, posted by mike lynch on August 13, 2007, at 19:58:44
Thank you for your input, Mike. I fully agree with you that blaming depression for this problem is just a terrible excuse. I'm sure it will be an excuse that big pharma would use when faced with this complaint.
It is actually sad that people are using this excuse when the patient(s) clearly was not sexually dysfunctional prior to taking the AD. How could they suddenly claim that it's a cause of depression, if the patient has been depressed for years, but was always sexually functional?
And in the case of my friend, he wasn't even depressed to begin with. All he had is OCD--not depression or sexual dysfunction. After Remeron, he suddenly is "depressed"? And that is causing him "sexual dysfunction"? Makes no sense.
Anyway, thank you so much for posting those links.
I was especially shocked to see the babble discussion of 7 months ago, which discusses exactly what we're discussing here. People with this problem seem to be multiplying, and this needs to stop.
I wish there was a way, but there clearly isn't. And some kids are so depressed that they either take the AD, or live depressed, which is just as bad, or worse, than having a permanent sexual problem.
The SSRI will eventually poop-out on them and they will be both, depressed again and sexually screwed, so the solution is short and painful. Unfortunately, seems like it's the only solution out there today.
Thanks
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 13, 2007, at 23:14:23
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » infectedmushrooms, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 13, 2007, at 22:19:33
> Wow, infectedmushrooms, $3000 is quite a lot of money on supplements! Lucky you, who can spend that amount in trials and errors.
It's lucky but I want to actually spend more and experiment with more stuff...Being lucky wouldn't be put in this situation but here i am cursed or blessed...
>another guy I talked directly with as well I managed to help him heal almost back to normal through recommendations...I don't know if hes 100% yet but I think he is getting pretty closer and closer each day..ultimately he healed himself though b/c he saw what was working and what wasn't...and this was all within a few months....
>
> How did this guy heal himself? Could you give me some examples of supplements and/or other approaches he took in order to recover in such a short time? Also, did he become sexually dysfunctional because of an SSRI, or due to a different reason?>He lost his sex drive due to risperdal he took it for about 6-8 weeks at 3mg if i recall...He had been off it for about 8 months and had virtually no drive until recenly it has slowly getting better and better after just a few months and really weeks if i had to guestimate..and the last time i talked to him he said he couldn't remember the last time he felt this normal...his regimen includes piracetam, whey protein, and several other supplements like daily protein shake (whey isolate based), flaxseed oil, and tyrosine...
last email he sent he sent me"I can feel my humanity returning, my brain is re-attaching to my testicles, I can FEEL again...thanks SO much for recommending it...it certainly is a wonder drug...I've been taking the p with potassium, and the two synergize beautifully....I can't remember the last time I felt this...normal...and the feeling is totally natural, not like with some of the other supps."
The p is the piracetam he was referring to...
I am currently studying other cholinergenics that may be more suitable for myself...That are more powerful that piracetam and are considered very safe drugs...I have a few in mind but don't want to jinx it by mentioning any yet...For me the effect of piracetam is weaker however b/c I took risperdal longer with ssris and have more damages to my brain cells and body...I think this guy will be recovered in no time however for me it might take months to a few years depending on many variables involved....like i said my attitude sucks right now even though sometimes i am hopeful i am not consistent enough....so if i am like that for 2 years i probably wont recover at all...This guy's attitude although probably not great is good enough for the damages prevailed..for me it will take imo lots more effort...
> My friend said that the doctor he's seeing prescribed him fish oil. Do you know if this could possibly help him heal in any way? He's also in the cross country team in college and he's trying to do as much strenuous physical exercise as possible.
I too have a prescription for omacor is that the fish oil he is taking? if it is highly recommended but needs to be taken with proteins so it absorbs...That will give him subtle effect but probably wont fix everything although anything is possible but i doubt it....he really needs to be taking some additional nootropics imo...lipoic acid is one i highly recommend as well as piracetam to start off...Then from there he should look for other things and like I said trial and error to see what works for him....Also he needs to make sure his vitamin levels are at bay so blood tests are important...
>
> Do you exercise? What kind of exercise do you do? Do you happen to know what kind of exercise is best to help recover from this condition?
>
The best kind of exercise imo is not strenuous...The problem with strenuous exercise is that if further depletes nutrients from the body...Just read some testimonials at recover forum and strenuous does more harm than good...Although cardio is probably the best type of exercise if i had to guess...exercise needs to be done in moderation 30-45 minutes daily or every other day...More than that you start burning out and overexerting any gains from the exercise itself...Exercise is critical to the healing process though b/c it is necessary for regeneration and blood flow to the brain and removing toxins, aids digestion, increases endorphins and gaba etc.. and I have been doing 30-45 minutes daily a few months ago but stopped due to physical pain in my head...I am getting an appliance that will hopefully fix the pain that can stabalize my jaw and my attitude again...> Thanks again,
> GI78Your welcome ;)
Posted by SometimesBlue on August 14, 2007, at 8:46:03
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » SometimesBlue, posted by infectedmushrooms on August 13, 2007, at 19:45:29
I'm not claiming that it's the sole cause of his affliction, i am merely stating that it *could* be a contributing factor. If he's suicidal, wouldn't you think he was depressed, the two go hand in hand. GI keeps ruling out depression, and in my *humble* opinion, it's there as well. Was it the cause of his condition? NO. Is it present now? Yes. It may not have been the culprit, but I do think it's a contributing factor to his mental and physical state.
> Yes but during those years were your genitals completely numb and did you wake up with erections, cant get spontaneous erections ever, and have problems even j*rking off?...depression can make sex less enjoyable of course and for some have inabiilty achieving orgasm yes...but it shouldn't give you the above symptoms otherwise it is considered hypogonadism...Your body is in an unconcious state when it about wakes up so if you aren't getting erections in the morning its a sign of hypogonadism induced by the drugs?....Also you got your sex drive back by resolving those issues you were having...It's not that simple when your nuerotransmitters have been f*ked with by drugs..It's completely different...One is ability to perform sex but having the ability in tact...The other is having the ability wiped away like chemical castration and they can sometimes have similiar symptoms like many diagnoses for different diseases have overlapping symptoms its just not the same thing at all...Our brain is all chemicals reactions and once you mess with the delicate harmonious actions of nuerotransmitters it can change everything about that individual from his personality to even his sexual ability...
>
Posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 14, 2007, at 12:28:20
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero, posted by SometimesBlue on August 14, 2007, at 8:46:03
>If he's suicidal, wouldn't you think he was depressed, the two go hand in hand.
You mean that the only reason ANYONE could be suicidal is because of depression?
Let's say, some non-depressed man loses his business, houses and everything, and he kills himself over it = depression?
Another non-depressed man gets into a fire accident and his face becomes so disfigured that he is unrecognizable. He wants to kill himself over it = depression?
A non-depressed guy is put on a drug for a particular mental disorder, and he loses his manhood in the process = depression?
>GI keeps ruling out depression, and in my *humble* opinion, it's there as well. Was it the cause of his condition? NO. Is it present now? Yes.
I do, because I know that my friend never suffered from depression to begin with, and his prescription was not meant to treat depression.
>It may not have been the culprit, but I do think it's a contributing factor to his mental and physical state.
This argument still doesn't make sense to me. How can something *cause* an illness, and then become a *symptom* of that illness?
The only thing I could possibly agree with is that he might (or might not) have become depressed OVER his sexual dysfunction.
But in that case, the depression would NOT the cause of the sexual dysfunction. The sexual dysfunction was already there, within a few months of being on Remeron. He thought it would return once off the med. But after two years, it hasn't. Now he is desperate because it seems as if it's permanent.
Any loss of something important in your life could cause anyone to become depressed, and that loss would then be the *cause* of the supposed depression, not a *side-effect* of it.
PS: And my friend says he's not depressed, but that he simply cannot live with this problem. Is that necessarily depression?
Posted by SometimesBlue on August 14, 2007, at 14:00:45
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » SometimesBlue, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 14, 2007, at 12:28:20
I guess you know better than me...only trying to offer suggestions, good luck to your friend.
PS: To be clear, I think the depression is a result of the dysfunction, not the initial cause. The depressionn is not a sympton of the dysfunction, but merely a result of the loss of his ability to have sex. And if he's just *decided* not to live like this anymore, than I guess he isn't depressed, just resolved in his decision. But for his sake, i hope he finds happiness somewhere.
Posted by Oppycat on August 14, 2007, at 14:50:23
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero, posted by Girlnterrupted78 on August 10, 2007, at 14:02:21
> He's clean of antidepressants now--for two years. And he claims he's not depressed. He just lost feelings of enjoyment due to his condition (the sexual dysfunction.)
>
> He's 23--he used to have a healthy sexual life before this happened, and now he's got nothing other than shame and can't enjoy sex anymore, even though he keeps meeting girls--which makes matters worse.
>
> He's been telling me he's suicidal and that he's been chickening out the few times he was ready to do it. But that's his thinking right now, just to really kill himself.
>
> If he has any "depressive" feelings, they're only related to his condition, and not actual clinical depression alone. The reason he ever took antidepressants was not due to depression, but because he has OCD and his mom and shrink forced him to take Remeron.
>
> Is there a cure for this? Or is he doomed to have no recovery?I tend to agree that he probably is depressed and that is causing his sexual problems. At lower dosages, Remeron makes me horny as hell. I realize everyone is different, but it's a real long shot that past usage of Remeron caused this problem. I also doubt very seriously that this is a permanent condition.
Having said that, I certainly understand how he feels. Sexual dysfunction is probably the main reason that I switched medications frequently over a 30-year fight with depression. Sex is not something I'm going to give up without a fight.
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 14, 2007, at 16:47:02
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » Girlnterrupted78, posted by Oppycat on August 14, 2007, at 14:50:23
> > He's clean of antidepressants now--for two years. And he claims he's not depressed. He just lost feelings of enjoyment due to his condition (the sexual dysfunction.)
> >
> > He's 23--he used to have a healthy sexual life before this happened, and now he's got nothing other than shame and can't enjoy sex anymore, even though he keeps meeting girls--which makes matters worse.
> >
> > He's been telling me he's suicidal and that he's been chickening out the few times he was ready to do it. But that's his thinking right now, just to really kill himself.
> >
> > If he has any "depressive" feelings, they're only related to his condition, and not actual clinical depression alone. The reason he ever took antidepressants was not due to depression, but because he has OCD and his mom and shrink forced him to take Remeron
"I would be depressed and pissed as hell at the psychiatrist who prescribed that sh*t o wait i already am pissed at mine and my f*kin parents as well...Also did the drugs help him with his OCD at all anyway shape or form or just do nothing and now he has OCD and this so the drug ultimately f*ked up more things in his life...It seems the only drugs that should be prescribed are nootropics b/c they are proven to be much safer and don't cause brain damage if taken correctly...Psychiatry is a f*ked up science in today's society where drugs that are proven safe are in the back burner b/c the newer drugs that just come out are not studied extensively and they can make tons of money on them b/c of their brand new fukin patents...These newer drugs are proven to damage the brains of people,, ie TD and once the FDA approves it it's considered safe even when people are still getting fuked up on them even 10-20 years later and have symptoms that don't go away in time...the FDA does not give a fuk about anything about people's side effect or reports except its all about MONEY MONEY MONEY so sh*t is left in the back burner for people struggling from these drugs!!!...I even think pubmed is being paid off by the fukin drug companies themsevles b/c their studies are written biased half the time where there is always inconclusiveness in so many ways and they claim once someone goes off the drug the side effects go away in a lot of their reporting...Why don't you ever see case studies out there on people like us or others that took risperdal and never got their d*cks or pussies working again...see askapatient for that sh*t...They say once your off the drug your hormone levels are within normal range and normal range is a range that is so large you could be practically dead and still be in that hormonal range on a blood test....Who determines the normal range range on blood tests anyway I would seriously like to find that out....
> > Is there a cure for this? Or is he doomed to have no recovery?
>
He is not doomed to not recover...He is going to get better I promise you that or you can promise him that...He really needs to do trial and error with supplements and smart drugs and try again and again until he gets it right...Also exercise healthy living and attempting to be positive may help a little but when he uses the right supplements/drugs together with a good attitude it may spark a chain reaction and a concrete gene expression change...The situation sucks more than anything believe me I know and I got so angry at my parents I was thrown into a mental hospital this summer b/c I was misdiagnosed and took these drugs...I shouldn't have broken 300 dollars worth of sh*t but my anger is so deep its basically inate by now when before I was never angry at anyone and was always a caring person....
>
I tend to agree that he probably is depressed and that is causing his sexual problems. At lower dosages, Remeron makes me horny as hell. I realize everyone is different, but it's a real long shot that past usage of Remeron caused this problem. I also doubt very seriously that this is a permanent condition.
>
"I have read other testomonials that remeron can make people horny and I have recently found that it can reverse PSSD in some... but everyone reacts differently...Believe it or not I was horny as hell on paxil 50 mg for 2 years...SSRIS didn't have an effect on my lbido it actually enhanced it until risperdal fuked me up and now I have small bitch t*ts from the drug I took for 3 months and they shrink back to normal when I take piracetam or take an ativan...fuk me for that>>>!!!!"> Having said that, I certainly understand how he feels. Sexual dysfunction is probably the main reason that I switched medications frequently over a 30-year fight with depression. Sex is not something I'm going to give up without a fight.
>"Sex is number one most important thing in life...No matter how fuked up someone's thinking is does not justify giving a drug that will make you sex life suffer and this can cause trauma or shock to an individual who was already suffering for so long... without it life sucks already but then it sucks so bad you don't even want to live anymore....AGREED ON THAT.... "
>
Posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 14, 2007, at 23:33:37
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » Oppycat, posted by infectedmushrooms on August 14, 2007, at 16:47:02
I believe I posted this somewhere above:
This guy was not just taking Remeron. He was also taking Seroquel and Concerta. Does this make a difference?
He insists that he is pretty certain that Remeron is the culprit. The company that manufactures Remeron claims there's "no sexual side effects" associated with Remeron, but in some news and updates on Remeron, 40% of its consumers were found to be suffering from sexual side-effects.
So I wonder what did it? Was it the Remeron, the Concerta, or the Seroquel? Or maybe the 3?
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 15, 2007, at 0:03:10
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero, posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 14, 2007, at 23:33:37
see link: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20070808/msgs/775747.html
> I believe I posted this somewhere above:
>
> This guy was not just taking Remeron. He was also taking Seroquel and Concerta. Does this make a difference?
>
> He insists that he is pretty certain that Remeron is the culprit. The company that manufactures Remeron claims there's "no sexual side effects" associated with Remeron, but in some news and updates on Remeron, 40% of its consumers were found to be suffering from sexual side-effects.
>
> So I wonder what did it? Was it the Remeron, the Concerta, or the Seroquel? Or maybe the 3?
Posted by Maximus on August 19, 2007, at 18:35:15
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » yznhymer, posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 6:17:47
Hi,
> Depression doesn't 'cause' sexual dysfunction. >Antidepressants do.
Wrong! Often depression does cause sexual dysfunctions by itself. It does cause a havock in the catecholamine and serotonine receptors.
A competent psychiatrist will prescribe Remeron to "reverse" the sexual side effects of SSRIs. I tried it and it worked wonderfully, believe me :-)
So, as you can see, your friend did not get the "usual" side effects of Remeron. I'm sorry for him. By reading the threads and to my knowledge your friend seems still depressed.
So i would seek out a second opinion and try to get him back on a strong noradrenergic antidepressant like Wellbutrin or Effexor.
Good luck!
Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 20, 2007, at 11:46:35
In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » girlnterrupted78, posted by Maximus on August 19, 2007, at 18:35:15
> What you just said makes no sense...You just said you lost your sex drive until you were put on Remeron to get it back...So your saying it was all depression why you lost it not the chemical changes induced by taking the drug Remeron at all? You did not take the drug as a cocktail with seroquel either like he did and you can't compare one person's reaction to the next as always consistent...And then you further say he needs wellbutrin or effexor for his depression which will artificially reuptake dopamine receptors or serotonin and may work initially but it is always a drug that changes how the brain is working here and depression cannot radically change brain chemistry the same way drugs can no matter what...sorry to say your claim has less credibility than his...especially b/c you obviously never studied the long term effects drugs have on the brain...The guy is depressed of course but that is a cause and effect here due to the drugs and not the "main" reason his drive is ultimately gone....
Hi,
>
> > Depression doesn't 'cause' sexual dysfunction. >Antidepressants do.
>
> Wrong! Often depression does cause sexual dysfunctions by itself. It does cause a havock in the catecholamine and serotonine receptors.
>
> A competent psychiatrist will prescribe Remeron to "reverse" the sexual side effects of SSRIs. I tried it and it worked wonderfully, believe me :-)
>
> So, as you can see, your friend did not get the "usual" side effects of Remeron. I'm sorry for him. By reading the threads and to my knowledge your friend seems still depressed.
>
> So i would seek out a second opinion and try to get him back on a strong noradrenergic antidepressant like Wellbutrin or Effexor.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
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