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Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero

Posted by infectedmushrooms on August 12, 2007, at 12:04:12

In reply to Re: Permanent Male Sexual Dysfunction after Remero » infectedmushrooms, posted by girlnterrupted78 on August 12, 2007, at 0:08:15

"Does Selegiline is known for improving libido? I know Wellbutrin supposedly is prescribed along with SSRI's that have as a side effect decreased libido. But I wonder if it would be a good idea for him to start trying drugs and everything out there? Or is it better to remain clean and try natural ways? "

Selegiline effects primarily dopamine pathways and is used to enhance libido and lift depression...On the bad side it can increase heart rate and increase anxiety...It does also effect serotonin receptors...I wouldn't recommend a prescription for ENSAM if were to try it only the pills that metabolize in the body which you can get on the internet fairly cheap and start with small doses and cycle and work his way up...I have tried the patch not the pills and it messed me up worse I think b/c it hits the brain too quickly... but I have heard the pills are more tolerated and not as bad for the body...
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> Yeah, that's exactly what he says. He knows it's got to do with the receptors and possibly neurotransmitter depletion. I've heard of something called amino acid therapy, where they get a urine sample to determine what neurotransmitters are deficient. Then they give you supplements like 5HTP, L-tyrosine, Gaba, etc. I've haven't tried it with a real specialist, but I read a book called mood cure and on my own took several supplements. It didn't do anything for me, but again, I didn't have a urine sample or did it with a specialist. Are you familiar at all with that method?
Amino acid therapy seems like bs...Urine samples are not however b/c they should tell you what neurotransmitters are not in optimal range... but to use an IV and inject aminos for several hours at a time would just shock the body...The body can only take so much at a time on a consistent basis...Yes I have heard of it and considered doing it but realized after more research things need to be done slowly for the body to heal...
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> >I find the only thing that is starting to give me some libido back are whey protein...liver supporting supplements...immune enahcing supplements like acidophilus and vitamins...adaptogens and specific smart drugs need to be tried as well for NGF as well as longer periods of abstinence from sexual activity...
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"Are you serious? So how much progress do you think such proteins and supplements have accomplished in your recovery? Let's say, from 0-10 (zero being completely impotent) where were you first, and where are you now after those supplements, and in how long?"

Before supplements I am zero(flatline) with them in my system it hovers around 2 to 3 for a few hours and I can even get erections and the numbness in my genitals goes away then it goes back to 0 at certain parts of the day...But I am becoming more specific with them and using trial and error with the right ones and also it is important to cycle them and only take precursors to neurotranmitters so the body doesn't think it has to stop making them...I am slowly learning everything I told you..I am no where near healed I just uncovered the aspects of healing through various books and reading as well as with with all the reading and testimonials on the internet I have done for the past 8 months...
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> >I am currently on Piracetam and may try to hit another cholinergenic to get things jump started...There is a board I belong to where people lost sex drives from over-masturbation and drugs as well...http://recover.forumup.org/
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>"Thanks for the website. I will let him know.
So how do you know that the whey protein and supplements made the trick, if you're also taking piracetam?"

Sometimes one drug will work a few times and have what I call "a wear and tear effect" You are actually overexerting and ultra-sensitizing whatever is left and sometimes this can give your sex drive back for a day or 2 but can prolong healing if you keep taking that drug...I have heard of people completely reversing their Sexual Dysfunction for 1 or 2 days with say Dostinex which is a strong D2 receptor but then it flatlines at zero on subsequent doses...My theory for that is deficiencies of specific aminos in the brain but no one really knows why...

"You seem to be taking several things, so it's hard to pinpoint which one might be helping."

>"A whey protein contains every amino in the book...Yes it is hard to say...But I think Piracetam is giving more emotion back so I am working currently on acetycholine neurotransmitters then dopamine which I know was also depleted/destroyed...My theory is you have to work with the body as a whole as well...You can keep taking dopamine without balancing out another nuerotranmitter and also from my my own hypothesis based on some research one neurotransmitter has to be increased first for the other one to become effective again...Trial and error again like I said...No one really knows..."

> > I don't believe depression is the cause of his sex based on my own experience...
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> "Agreed."
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> >But going to doctors and specialists is probably the worst route...So is over researching and thinking its hopeless...
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> "Why is over researching hopeless? Isn't that what you've done and what we'd be doing if we go to that website? It's research and more research.. which needs to be done in order to target the right brain receptor."

>>I shouldn't have said it the way I did...I easily contradicted myself...What I mean is researching on hopeless aspects of the drug...I actually over-researched into all the negativity of it and joined forums where people say it is hopeless or its permanent with the "presenting facts"..My research now is now in a more positive frame for example seeing what supplements increase GABA, how to take this supplement, what foods should I take, what did the drug deplete...I'm sorry about not being clear before....You may still see that as being contradictory its kind of hard to explain in words...
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> Thats why people with parkinson's lose their sex drive and they become hypersexual on their l-dopa drugs b/c it has to do with neurotransmitters...
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> "What is l-dopa? And would that work for my friend?"
> Any anti-parkinsons drug "MAY" work but like I said about the "wear and tear" be careful...He may want to try something like Adderral or ritalin as I heard of people actually reversing their symptoms of SD by cycling them...Make sure he cycles if he were to try them starting at as low dose as possible then working his way up... I still haven't tried any of those yet...Also I don't think they are bad drugs compared to the newer drugs today they are also considered nootropics...But safety depends on how it is used and time period b/c I have heard of people becoming impotent on using ritalin or adderral too long without cycling..They are essentially amphetamines in pill form but relatively safer and controlled..It depends on what receptors were depleted/destroyed so they may or may not have an effect although I would say most likely he could get an instant one but don't know how well his system could take considering I don't know which of his cells are ultra or de-sensitized..On one hand it has been 2 years without drugs in his system so I think it most likely will work for him...

> > The drug he took may not have been a neuroleptic but anything altering neurotransission in the brain can change gene expression and that too can be reversed through change of attitude and other ways...
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> "Change of attitude? I don't understand that. How can a change of attitude cure a neurotransmitter problem? That sounds like magic "I change my attitude and my problems are gone... It's not clear what you're trying to say there."

>What I am saying is change in attitude can change gene expression and that increases NK cells in the body...Natural Killer cells...People who are depressed have less NK cells...They are important for immunity and body repair...Good attitude also increases endorphins also essential for brain repair...Meditation is shown to increase GABA so is exercise...Change in attitude must be long term however maybe a couple months to start seeing a real consistent concrete change...I have heard of people doing this and actually got better although not 100% but sometimes close...I still think supplements are necessary however in attaining 100% libido...I have not mustered up the stregnth yet to do this complete attitude reversal but I am working on it...


> >The body is remarkable in its abiliy to heal when everything is still intact...I mean he didn't lose a limb or became paralyzed...I think he will recover 100% once he learns to settle down accept the situation as it is and try his best to get his drive back....
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"Again, that sounds like magic. Accept the situation and you'll get cured? How would you get cured by accepting the situation? I've accepted that I'm depressed since 12 years ago. That didn't cure me. That just put me en route to find the cure through trying ADs and therapy, but I've tried tons of things (including diet and exercise) and I'm still not cured."

Accepting means just stop for a second and listen...You have no sex drive right now b/c of those f*kin drugs...Yes...But I am going to get it back...Don't accept that it will never come back but accept where you are at right "NOW"...You cannot change the fact these drugs f*ked up your life even after taking them up until this point...But accept the fact that you cannot change the fact the situation at the current moment exists...That kind of thing..But "attitude" is the number one thing in healing according to books I have been reading...Again I can't muster up that attitude yet personally but I believe in it...

>I have spent countless hours researching and believe I may know how to fix this...Like I said in the previous post being as stress free as possible, diet, exercise, and time and specific smart drugs and supplements will probably allow him to recover 100% it is just a matter of the will of the individual...
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"I thought you said that over-research and thinking about it wouldn't work. But it's working for you.. When you say you 'may' know how to fix it, you mean with diet, exercise and time, smart drugs & supplements? Has that worked for you already, or you're making a supposition?"

Before I was over-researching risperdal and how in rats it destroyed their sex drives and organs etc...I now am researching more positive aspects on the brains ability to heal with proper diet nutrition healthy habits etc...Over-researching isn't bad just depending on the subject of what researched..I even block out certain sites now with my router but do occasionally check in on them every month or so for more information...

> "Well, thanks a lot for the info. If you could clarify the points I didn't understand I'd really appreciate it. I will pass the website on to my friend as well..
> Thanks again,
> GI78"
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> NP,,,and believe me I am just as frustrated as your friend...and I am basically the same age I'll be 23 in about a month and the sad thing is girls are coming up to me now its weird being in this state...My life has literally been hell for 5 years b/c of a dislocated jaw which caused pain and anxiety 24/7 and now I have this to deal with this as well...I was horny as hell even in that state so you see anxiety and depression didn't do sh*t to me...It was the drugs... Sometimes I feel cursed but maybe someday I will find nirvana...I wish your friend all the best and I am confident that he can heal 100% its just a matter of applying things I mentioned which is way easier said than done and its not an easy route to doing trial and error with drugs and supplements..He also needs support of people around him which is why I think you are a great person for trying to help him along with this..he would have never had to face any of this if it wasn't for the drugs that put him under....Although people will say it is depression etc or trauma/shock that he lost it while on the drug this just is not true...He knows his body better than anyone else and b/c there are thousands out there just like him it puts a lot more credence to what he says despite the f*kin drug corporations not owning up to it which is why it is so hard for people to believe your friend...
The internet is the only source people would admit sh*t and you have to take what you read out there with a grain of salt sometimes but usually a lot of sh*t is true as well...b/c who the f*k in their right minds would say my sex drive never came back after taking drugs even on the internet...And if you try to take it to court or sue a drug company how could you win when your only source is people on the internet who took drugs for depression and anxiety to begin with...The only evidence would be if someone took a baseline hormones blood test then after taking the drugs it was radically altered ...its a f*ked up world we are living in where money > morality....


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