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Posted by corafree on January 25, 2007, at 21:13:36
(I've not edited this because if I sit here too long my anxiety may rise, so it may be sketchy and ill put together.)
Now, I can state with quite a bit of certainty Eff-XR did help my anxiety somewhat some years ago. Even then though, always needed an accompanying benzo.
I believe I've built a tolerance to it.
Now I'm nearly 2kws off of it. I feel LESS DEPRESSED!
My education says Eff-XR is supposed to be best at attacking anxiety. (Wonder then if even a possibility of Cymbalta working any differently.)
My experience says this too.
THIS POST IS ABOUT WHY CAN'T MY ANXIETY BE TREATED W/O AN ACCOMPANYING AD???
The SSRIs exacerbated my anxiety.
I DO NOT FEEL THERE IS AN AD THAT WILL HELP MY ANXIETY. (Ideas welcome of course, but my net search and my experience w/ so many diff' ADs and mood stabilizers ... I'm at my wit's end to start another AD hoping it will ease what Valium 10mg 3x a day will not.
I THINK ADs ARE DEPRESSING ME! :o
Yep, I feel less depressed than on Eff-XR. The withdraw s*cked but I feel rationally less depressed this eve.
Do I have to choose between depression and anxiety or both?
My P will not allow me a back-up benzo alongside Valium, like Klonopin, or go the other way w/ a fasting-acting for attacks, like Xanax. He flat out said he won't do it.
Being in the system and w/o any support, it's hard. Once filed a complaint when benzos being held back and 'the entire complex' dis'd me. I had to drop it or got a doc' who must have been away during the whole thing. I did bring up the issue that my conversations were 'being taken out of context'; just recorded word for word and read by a diff' doc or T that doesn't know me and my personality, and can't know about the seriousness of my statements.
(I try suggest Ps, Ts, pls write (she laughed) or (she cried), not just what I say in their notes.)
Anyway I finally got a doc in the same clinic to take me. (Hey ... that's when I got the P that dc'd Klonopin cold turkey and I had the resultant NB! I just realized that.)
I BELIEVE I NEED A LONG AND SHORT ACTING BENZO.
After all these years ... no AD has worked 4me w/o a benzo. There was no depression in my life before there was anxiety. I've said b4, first came the anxiety and then the depression. Anxiety caused me to do things which later embarrassed or made me feel bad about myself. That's when I was labeled depressed. So, the horse is anxiety and there's unhappiness in the cart, ... really I think so ... unhappiness, but call it depression if it pays better. I dunno!
I feel myself getting anxious as I am editing. Gotta stop. Just gonna' post the rest of this as is.
Here alone, no friends, don't care for city, ICM out of pic' partly good/partly bad, low finances, an old car thankfully paid for, a nice place simply because my mother is a realtor but has heart dz so sense of security nonexistant.
Now, if I can experience all this and say 'no it's not depression I'm feeling', well I think I'm using my coping skills well. I'm reminding myself that just because there is no one with me, there are people that love me. I'm reminding myself that my world isn't going to fall totally apart if I don't touch base out my front door for a few days.
But, w/ anxiety and panic attacks, my coping skills are very limited as I often know not why I'm having an attack or am anxious.
The attacks are painful and make it difficult to do deep breathing.
Somewhere in me is A FEAR OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT FOR SURE. I can't receive whatever that therapy is called that digs that out of me. I've been told by many it's ancient and less effective. And it's definitely not offered in the system.
IF I KNEW THE FEAR, maybe I could see the rationale of it and maybe see that it isn't life threatening.
I wonder just exactly what it is. Could it be the loss of a loved one or the loss of me?
tks4followups, cf
Posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2007, at 22:14:54
In reply to CHOOSE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, OR BOTH?, posted by corafree on January 25, 2007, at 21:13:36
I feel the same way. Love Phillipa
Posted by blueberry1 on January 26, 2007, at 17:16:16
In reply to CHOOSE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, OR BOTH?, posted by corafree on January 25, 2007, at 21:13:36
Have you tried zoloft?
I doubt the unexplained fear that you feel has much to do with something that happened years ago. Some chemical in the brain is going haywire.
I hate bringing up antipsychotics, but have you tried low dose zyprexa? You might be amazed how it can just erase that anxiety and fear in mere hours.
If I had to place a bet I would say either glutamate or dopamine is way overactive. If it is glutamate, you know what tames that down? Either magnesium or melatonin. Both real cheap, you could try. Another real good one for calming everything down is taurine 500mg once to 3 times per day. If those don't work, then zyprexa would move to the top of the line as an excess dopamine blocker.
Just some thoughts.
Posted by corafree on January 27, 2007, at 5:35:57
In reply to Re: CHOOSE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, OR BOTH? » corafree, posted by Phillipa on January 25, 2007, at 22:14:54
I do 'fear' Bb.
I fear losing love and being alone. I get scared. Then my heart starts to race and pretty soon I'm feeling anxiety.
I've been so abused by men. It has usually been at my choice that I be alone, afterall who wants to be abused. But then comes the fear of being alone. Sometimes it's even drawn bad men back to me for a while.
B4 Dad passed, I could go home to visit and he would sort of 'build me back up'. He saw something in me that was good and I saw that he saw it, and then I felt it, and then I trucked on to my next adventure.
Reason up in mid night is began to think of Dad passing away 3yrs ago 2/4. I loved him so very very much. You see why. We were pretty kindred too; free spirited. My mother and sibs must have felt left out or something, as since he has passing, they've become strangers to me. He would be sad.
My fear of trauma from men (and women) also keeps me from socializing.
I had someone tell me that the reason I was suicidal for many years may have been my fear of losing my father, his eventually passing away. I had/have wondered for the past, now 3yrs, why I suddenly was anti-suicidal. I thought it was a miracle. This person suggested the fear was gone now, as he was gone. I found that very interesting.
Chemicals too. Prob' both.
Tks for heads-up on mag and taurate. Never tried melatonin. Lar recommended both of the aforementioned and I grab a tsp of taurate now and then. It is a wonder worker.
But, CF is not very disciplined with supplements. Not like w/ pills. When it comes to pills, she never forgets!
ps: W/ mag, I try remember to take 1:2 ratio .. magnesium:calcium. Shall I buy some melatonin. I don't want to sleep. Well I want to sleep right now because everyone else in mountain time prob' is, but I thought it was mainly for sleep.
tks, cf
Posted by Sebastian on January 27, 2007, at 15:02:30
In reply to CHOOSE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, OR BOTH?, posted by corafree on January 25, 2007, at 21:13:36
for me its the loss of me. After the way people treated me I didn't feel a lot of compasion for the loved one anymore. The loss of me was having to take pills that controled my life not alowing me to live normaly, going to doctors and doctors and mental hospitals....the major loss of relationships, being labled crazy, people telling me to act a certain way think what I wasn't thinking, and basicaly people didn't trust me anywhere, go to a convenience store and look at the ciggarettes and being rudely thrown out of the store with threats to call police, just for admiring the ciggarettes. I hate being ill.
Posted by corafree on January 30, 2007, at 7:16:25
In reply to Re: CHOOSE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, OR BOTH? » corafree, posted by Sebastian on January 27, 2007, at 15:02:30
Oh dear. I'm so sorry. I know what you mean. Sometimes I think my diet is pills. I am not even a person anymore. I'm one big pill. I'm not feelin' well, very very tired and quite sad. Everyone will be okay tho'. Things will get better.
cf
Posted by corafree on January 30, 2007, at 10:22:54
In reply to Re: CHOOSE ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, OR BOTH?, posted by blueberry1 on January 26, 2007, at 17:16:16
To answer first para bb, I had a '2 hr window of feeling very well' followed by zombie state on Zoloft. Zyprexa made me feel like I wasn't even me. It was very scary.
tksbb, cf
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