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Posted by platinumbride on September 19, 2003, at 9:40:57
I goofed in the sending of the previous message....
I was a lurker..basically completely, hopelessly depressed and reading the experiences of others on different ADs. Now I come to this board again after a diagnosis of Bipolar II and a little run with some hypo mania (nothing too exciting---just some nasty insomnia resistant to benzos and remeron, some spending problems, behavior that was over the top -- even for moi :-)....
SEROQUEL, for a very short period of time, just to get me sleeping again, so that the inevitable down to follow, would be less devastating and painful, was to be the drug of choice.It was nice to sleep. I woke up feeling crappy, but it was to be expected, I felt. It had been a while since I had slept....
I soon learned that seroquel induced sleep meant a day to follow where I was worthless and a bit sad. (Good thing I am unemployed I guess).
But a night without S was a night without sleep...
Pdoc says we should try 50 mgs, not 100 and augment it with some neurontin if necessary.
Better, but not great...Shrink says "well, I think another line of action is in order..we can try zyprexa, perhaps... this is just a temporary measure after all..."But what I DON"T tell the shrink is that I don't WANT to get off the seroquel at 100mgs anymore. I can sleep my useless days away and still sleep at night. "I'll try to stick it out", I say instead.
THEN....
"Maybe this will eventually cause my husband of few months to figure me out and leave his junkie wife", I thought the other day...And more importantly, I have dealt with major depression my entire life!!! WHY would I do this to myself with a medication???
OK....I apologize for being long-winded...
I just havent' seen any reaction like mine to seroquel from anyone on this board. Thoughts?
I guess I should kiss my expensive seroquel good-bye as I throw it down the toilet, huh?
PB
PS: Please, no shrink-bashing. We all know here that as much as we hate it, medicine is still considered an art rather than a science...and it is so.
Posted by galkeepinon on September 20, 2003, at 1:19:57
In reply to seroquel and morning after blues, posted by platinumbride on September 19, 2003, at 9:40:57
platinumbride~not sure what to say here. When I took Seroquel I had positive effects except for the extra 65 pounds I gained. It never made me depressed per say, it actually helped with my anger when I got angry. My family and friends noticed it also.
Good luck and hang in there maybe some others can give you more of what you're needing here.> I goofed in the sending of the previous message....
>
> I was a lurker..basically completely, hopelessly depressed and reading the experiences of others on different ADs. Now I come to this board again after a diagnosis of Bipolar II and a little run with some hypo mania (nothing too exciting---just some nasty insomnia resistant to benzos and remeron, some spending problems, behavior that was over the top -- even for moi :-)....
> SEROQUEL, for a very short period of time, just to get me sleeping again, so that the inevitable down to follow, would be less devastating and painful, was to be the drug of choice.
>
> It was nice to sleep. I woke up feeling crappy, but it was to be expected, I felt. It had been a while since I had slept....
>
> I soon learned that seroquel induced sleep meant a day to follow where I was worthless and a bit sad. (Good thing I am unemployed I guess).
>
> But a night without S was a night without sleep...
>
> Pdoc says we should try 50 mgs, not 100 and augment it with some neurontin if necessary.
>
>
> Better, but not great...Shrink says "well, I think another line of action is in order..we can try zyprexa, perhaps... this is just a temporary measure after all..."
>
> But what I DON"T tell the shrink is that I don't WANT to get off the seroquel at 100mgs anymore. I can sleep my useless days away and still sleep at night. "I'll try to stick it out", I say instead.
> THEN....
> "Maybe this will eventually cause my husband of few months to figure me out and leave his junkie wife", I thought the other day...And more importantly, I have dealt with major depression my entire life!!! WHY would I do this to myself with a medication???
> OK....I apologize for being long-winded...
> I just havent' seen any reaction like mine to seroquel from anyone on this board. Thoughts?
> I guess I should kiss my expensive seroquel good-bye as I throw it down the toilet, huh?
> PB
> PS: Please, no shrink-bashing. We all know here that as much as we hate it, medicine is still considered an art rather than a science...and it is so.
>
Posted by katia on September 21, 2003, at 15:46:34
In reply to seroquel and morning after blues, posted by platinumbride on September 19, 2003, at 9:40:57
Hi,
I am also BPII dxed recently as well after a year bout on ADs to no effectiveness.
Anyway, my pdoc also gave me Seroquel for sleep. I only take 1/4 of 25mg = so 6.25? It helps me sleep, but I too experience that depression the next day. I only started noticing it since being on mood stabilizers. Because when you're really sad all the time, what's to notice about the "next day hangover" from Seroquel? Only since I've been feeling a little better, have I noticed that S. effects my mood the next day. even only after 6.25.
So you're not the only one. I will mention it to my pdoc next visit and maybe can get something else.
Katia> I goofed in the sending of the previous message....
>
> I was a lurker..basically completely, hopelessly depressed and reading the experiences of others on different ADs. Now I come to this board again after a diagnosis of Bipolar II and a little run with some hypo mania (nothing too exciting---just some nasty insomnia resistant to benzos and remeron, some spending problems, behavior that was over the top -- even for moi :-)....
> SEROQUEL, for a very short period of time, just to get me sleeping again, so that the inevitable down to follow, would be less devastating and painful, was to be the drug of choice.
>
> It was nice to sleep. I woke up feeling crappy, but it was to be expected, I felt. It had been a while since I had slept....
>
> I soon learned that seroquel induced sleep meant a day to follow where I was worthless and a bit sad. (Good thing I am unemployed I guess).
>
> But a night without S was a night without sleep...
>
> Pdoc says we should try 50 mgs, not 100 and augment it with some neurontin if necessary.
>
>
> Better, but not great...Shrink says "well, I think another line of action is in order..we can try zyprexa, perhaps... this is just a temporary measure after all..."
>
> But what I DON"T tell the shrink is that I don't WANT to get off the seroquel at 100mgs anymore. I can sleep my useless days away and still sleep at night. "I'll try to stick it out", I say instead.
> THEN....
> "Maybe this will eventually cause my husband of few months to figure me out and leave his junkie wife", I thought the other day...And more importantly, I have dealt with major depression my entire life!!! WHY would I do this to myself with a medication???
> OK....I apologize for being long-winded...
> I just havent' seen any reaction like mine to seroquel from anyone on this board. Thoughts?
> I guess I should kiss my expensive seroquel good-bye as I throw it down the toilet, huh?
> PB
> PS: Please, no shrink-bashing. We all know here that as much as we hate it, medicine is still considered an art rather than a science...and it is so.
>
Posted by platinumbride on September 21, 2003, at 22:08:19
In reply to Re: seroquel and morning after blues » platinumbride, posted by katia on September 21, 2003, at 15:46:34
Wow, Katia...
Sorry to have snipped your message a bit, but I am amazed that you get such a strong response from such a small dosage of seoquel.
I have had such lousy sleep the past few nights that tonight I simply have to get a real night's sleep with S.
BTW: Have you tried lamictal as a mood stablizer? I take it. It has actually been better for me in its capacity as an AD than as a mood stablizer for me...
Just a thought....
BBest of luck...
PBI only started noticing it since being on mood stabilizers. Because when you're really sad all the time, what's to notice about the "next day hangover" from Seroquel? Only since I've been feeling a little better, have I noticed that S. effects my mood the next day. even only after 6.25.
> So you're not the only one. I will mention it to my pdoc next visit and maybe can get something else.
> Katia
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Posted by katia on September 22, 2003, at 2:12:42
In reply to Re: seroquel and morning after blues » katia, posted by platinumbride on September 21, 2003, at 22:08:19
hi,
yes, i have a sensitive system - what's new!
I have just started on Lamictal last week at 5mg. But I've started microscopicly (a word?) investigating my skin and see a few red dots on my legs. Im worried this is the "rash". I also feel silly b/c my pdoc said not to try any new lotions and I'm staying at a friend's house pet sitting and I've been using her shampoo and lotions. I completely forgot. I feel stupid! Did you ever get a rash? If so, what did it look like? the little dots that I have are slightly raised.
Has the Lamictal remained strong for you? didn't poop out?
katia> Wow, Katia...
>
> Sorry to have snipped your message a bit, but I am amazed that you get such a strong response from such a small dosage of seoquel.
>
> I have had such lousy sleep the past few nights that tonight I simply have to get a real night's sleep with S.
>
> BTW: Have you tried lamictal as a mood stablizer? I take it. It has actually been better for me in its capacity as an AD than as a mood stablizer for me...
> Just a thought....
> BBest of luck...
> PB
>
Posted by nmk on September 22, 2003, at 8:45:23
In reply to seroquel and morning after blues, posted by platinumbride on September 19, 2003, at 9:40:57
Hi there,
I was taking 25 mg of seroquel, along with 7.5 mg of remeron at night for sleep. I experienced the exact symptoms as you described the following morning....foggy, depressed and in general, like crap. I decided to drop the seroquel one night and instead, took 1 mg of ativan and the remeron. I awoke feeling like a new person...refreshed, no depression, and energized. I also titrated up to 200 mg of Lamictal at the same time but am convinced that my turn-around was because I dumped the seroquel. Now I am upset with my pdoc for encouraging me to continue with the seroquel, despite my repeated conversations about how lousy I felt in the morning. Try a few nights without it and see what happens.
Nicole
Posted by platinumbride on September 22, 2003, at 12:11:20
In reply to Re: seroquel and morning after blues » platinumbride, posted by katia on September 22, 2003, at 2:12:42
HI Katia,
I never got a rash. The rash associated with lamictal is very rare but can kill you. I think it is called Stevens-Johnsons Syndrome. I also think there is a really high fever along with it. You should probably talk to your doc about it.I don;t think lamictal has pooped out, but I'm not always super happy either..sigh :(
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