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Re: Just wanted to post..

Posted by linkadge on November 2, 2002, at 11:01:00

In reply to Just wanted to post.., posted by judy1 on November 2, 2002, at 9:34:20

Omega 3 is food for the brain rather than
a medication. The studies that used it
found a slow but consistant decrease in the
sysmptoms of both unipolar and bipolar.
It's kind of like taking a vitamin C tablet
whenever the symptoms of scurvy come on.

I've been taking it straight for a year
and am practically symptom free on a daily
basis - I was very suicidal before, but I
just suck the stuff back, and life is a lot
smoother.

It is strange because I never felt it working
like the Celexa, just one day I read a journal
that I had writtain a year ago and was absolutely
shocked, I couldn't believe the way I must've
been thinking.

Linkadge

 

Re: Just wanted to post..

Posted by linkadge on November 2, 2002, at 11:01:05

In reply to Just wanted to post.., posted by judy1 on November 2, 2002, at 9:34:20

Omega 3 is food for the brain rather than
a medication. The studies that used it
found a slow but consistant decrease in the
sysmptoms of both unipolar and bipolar.
It's kind of like taking a vitamin C tablet
whenever the symptoms of scurvy come on.

I've been taking it straight for a year
and am practically symptom free on a daily
basis - I was very suicidal before, but I
just suck the stuff back, and life is a lot
smoother.

It is strange because I never felt it working
like the Celexa, just one day I read a journal
that I had writtain a year ago and was absolutely
shocked, I couldn't believe the way I must've
been thinking.

Linkadge

 

Re: Just wanted to post..

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2002, at 11:48:26

In reply to Just wanted to post.., posted by judy1 on November 2, 2002, at 9:34:20

> that I take 6g/day now- whenever I start to feel suicidal ideation with depression, I start to take fish oil (it has helped in the past). I probably should consider staying on it. take care, judy

Suicidal ideation is linked to 0mega-3 deficiency. So is decreased melatonin release. Fish oil makes a good augment for any antidepressant.

Int J Clin Pract 2001 Oct;55(8):560-3

Eicosapentaenoic acid in treatment-resistant depression associated with symptom remission, structural brain changes and reduced neuronal phospholipid turnover.

Puri BK, Counsell SJ, Hamilton G, Richardson AJ, Horrobin DF.

MRI Unit, Imperial College School of Medicine, Hammersmith Hospital, London, W12 0HS, UK.

The n-3 essential fatty acid eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) was added to the conventional antidepressant treatment of a treatment-resistant severely depressed and suicidal male patient with a seven-year history of unremitting depressive symptoms. The niacin skin flush test and cerebral magnetic resonance scanning were carried out at baseline and nine months later. The addition of ethyl-EPA led to a dramatic and sustained clinical improvement in all the symptoms of depression, including a cessation of previously unremitting severe suicidal ideation, within one month. Symptoms of social phobia also improved dramatically. During the nine-month period the volumetric niacin response increased by 30%, the relative concentration of cerebral phosphomonesters increased by 53%, and the ratio of cerebral phosphomonesters to phosphodiesters increased by 79%, indicating reduced neuronal phospholipid turnover. Registered difference images showed that the EPA treatment was accompanied by structural brain changes including, in particular, a reduction in the lateral ventricular volume.

J Lipid Res 2002 Apr;43(4):611-7

Differential effects of n-3 fatty acid deficiency on phospholipid molecular species composition in the rat hippocampus.

Murthy M, Hamilton J, Greiner RS, Moriguchi T, Salem N Jr, Kim HY.

Section of Nutritional Neuroscience, Division of Intramural Clinical and Biological Research, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, NIH, 12420 Parklawn Drive, Room 114, Rockville, MD 20852, USA.

In this study, we have examined the effects of n-3 fatty acid deficient diets on the phospholipids (PL) molecular species composition in the hippocampus. Female rats were raised for two generations on diets containing linoleic acid (18:2n-6), with or without supplementation of alpha-linolenic acid (18:3n-3) or 18:3n-3 plus docosahexaenoic acid (22:6n-3). At 84 days of age, the hippocampal phospholipids were analyzed by reversed phase HPLC-electrospray ionization mass spectrometry. Depleting n-3 fatty acids from the diet led to a reduction of 22:6n-3 molecular species in phosphatidylcholine (PC), phosphatidylethanolamine (PE), PE-plasmalogens (PLE), and phosphatidylserine (PS) by 70-80%. In general, 22:6n-3 was replaced with 22:5n-6 but the replacement at the molecular species level did not always occur in a reciprocal manner, especially in PC and PLE. In PC, the 16:0,22:6n-3 species was replaced by 16:0,22:5n-6 and 18:0,22:5n-6. In PLE, substantial increases of both 22:5n-6 and 22:4n-6 species compensated for the decreases in 22:6n-3 species in n-3 fatty acid deficient groups. While the total PL content was not affected by n-3 deficiency, the relative distribution of PS decreased by 28% with a concomitant increase in PC.The observed decrease of 22:6n-3 species along with PS reduction may represent key biochemical changes underlying losses in brain-hippocampal function associated with n-3 deficiency.
J Lipid Res 1998 Jul;39(7):1397-403

N-3 fatty acid deficiency in the rat pineal gland: effects on phospholipid molecular species composition and endogenous levels of melatonin and lipoxygenase products.

Zhang H, Hamilton JH, Salem N Jr, Kim HY.

Section of Mass Spectrometry, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Rockville, MD 20852, USA.

N-3 essential fatty acid deficiency affects a number of biological and physiological processes. In this study, we investigated the effect of n-3 essential fatty acid status on two key pineal biochemical functions, melatonin production and lipoxygenation, using pineal glands from rats given an n-3-adequate or n-3-deficient diet. The pineal total lipid profile and phospholipid molecular species distribution altered by n-3 deficiency were evaluated in parallel. In pineal glands from n-3-deficient rats, an 87% reduction of 22:6n-3 (docosahexaenoic acid) was observed, and this decrease was accompanied by increases in 22:4n-6 (docosatetraenoic acid, 3-fold), 22:5n-6 (docosapentaenoic acid, 12-fold), and 20:4n-6 (arachidonic acid, 48%). The significant decrease of 22:6n-3 containing species in phosphatidylcholine (PC), phosphatidylethanolamine (PE), and phosphatidylserine (PS) was also evident. These decreases in 22:6n-3 containing PL species were compensated by substantial accumulations of 22:4n-6 or 22:5n-6 and slight increases in 20:4n-6 containing PL species in PC and PE. In PS, however, the accumulation of n-6 species was not adequate to compensate for the loss of 22:6n-3 species. N-3 deficiency significantly reduced non-esterified 20:4n-6 and 22:6n-3 levels in pineals (25% and 65%, respectively). Concomitantly, the endogenous 12-HETE level decreased by 35% in deficient pineals. In contrast, n-3 deficiency led to a more than 60% increase in the daytime pineal melatonin level. In conclusion, n-3 fatty acid deficiency not only has profound effects on pineal lipid profiles but also on pineal biochemical activities. These results suggest that n-3 fatty acids may play a critical role in regulating pineal function.

Am J Psychiatry 2002 Mar;159(3):477-9

Addition of omega-3 fatty acid to maintenance medication treatment for recurrent unipolar depressive disorder.

Nemets B, Stahl Z, Belmaker RH.

Ministry of Health Mental Health Center, Faculty of Health Sciences, Ben Gurion University of the Negev, Beer-Sheva, Israel.

OBJECTIVE: Studies have reported that countries with high rates of fish oil consumption have low rates of depressive disorder. The authors studied a specific omega-3 fatty acid, the ethyl ester of eicosapentaenoic acid (E-EPA), as an adjunct to treatment for depressive episodes occurring in patients with recurrent unipolar depressive disorder who were receiving maintenance antidepressant therapy. METHOD: Twenty patients with a current diagnosis of major depressive disorder participated in a 4-week, parallel-group, double-blind addition of either placebo or E-EPA to ongoing antidepressant therapy. Seventeen of the patients were women, and three were men. RESULTS: Highly significant benefits of the addition of the omega-3 fatty acid compared with placebo were found by week 3 of treatment. CONCLUSIONS: It is not possible to distinguish whether E-EPA augments antidepressant action in the manner of lithium or has independent antidepressant properties of its own.

 

Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it...

Posted by meow mary on November 2, 2002, at 12:16:13

In reply to Re: Just wanted to post.., posted by linkadge on November 2, 2002, at 11:01:05

Okay, so I'm guessing I can't just walk into Trader Joe's and get their fish oil capsules? Also, I have digestive problems and remember taking one fish oil capsule a long time ago and burping it up all day. Is there a brand you recommend that might assimilate easier? Thanks.

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it...

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2002, at 13:37:51

In reply to Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it..., posted by meow mary on November 2, 2002, at 12:16:13

> Okay, so I'm guessing I can't just walk into Trader Joe's and get their fish oil capsules?

Walmart's house brand seems OK to me. I don't know what to recommend, as I don't know Trader Joe's.

>Also, I have digestive problems and remember taking one fish oil capsule a long time ago and burping it up all day. Is there a brand you recommend that might assimilate easier? Thanks.

The assimilation issue is related to bile release. If you have gallbladder problems, for example, you may not assimilate fats well. Over time, your tolerance should increase. Try one capsule with your biggest meal of the day, and work up from there.

The biggest issue with fish oil isn't brand, so much as it is rancidity. Fish oil oxidizes readily, so you should see tocopherol (vitamin E)or another anti-oxidant listed as an ingredient.

 

Re: Just wanted to post.. » Larry Hoover

Posted by judy1 on November 2, 2002, at 14:34:34

In reply to Re: Just wanted to post.., posted by Larry Hoover on November 2, 2002, at 11:48:26

Thanks for posting the abstracts. I actually have a decrease in the size of my hippocampus as shown on an MRI. The neurologist felt it was linked to my PTSD. take care, judy

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it...

Posted by Ed O`Flaherty on November 2, 2002, at 16:33:45

In reply to Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it..., posted by meow mary on November 2, 2002, at 12:16:13

> Okay, so I'm guessing I can't just walk into Trader Joe's and get their fish oil capsules? Also, I have digestive problems and remember taking one fish oil capsule a long time ago and burping it up all day. Is there a brand you recommend that might assimilate easier? Thanks.

Eskimo-3 capsules have the least fishy taste of all the brands I am aware of.It is also alas the most expensive.It is unusual in having a lot of research published about it which suggests it is more beneficial for physical health than the cheap brands.In particular it would suit diabetics while the cheap versions may increase the blood glucose.

 

Can you get Eskimo 3...

Posted by meow mary on November 2, 2002, at 19:59:36

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it..., posted by Ed O`Flaherty on November 2, 2002, at 16:33:45

...in health food stores or do you have to order it somewhere special? Thanks

 

Re: Can you get Eskimo 3... » meow mary

Posted by Roman on November 2, 2002, at 20:09:25

In reply to Can you get Eskimo 3..., posted by meow mary on November 2, 2002, at 19:59:36

I found it at the local Naturals/Vitamin shop.

 

Re: Can you get Eskimo 3... » meow mary

Posted by viridis on November 2, 2002, at 20:19:02

In reply to Can you get Eskimo 3..., posted by meow mary on November 2, 2002, at 19:59:36

You can also order it from www.iherb.com -- I've used them many times, and they seem very reliable, plus usually have better prices (sometimes MUCH better) than health food stores.

 

thank you! (nm)

Posted by meow mary on November 2, 2002, at 22:25:51

In reply to Re: Can you get Eskimo 3... » meow mary, posted by viridis on November 2, 2002, at 20:19:02

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Ed O`Flaherty

Posted by disney4 on November 3, 2002, at 9:17:41

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it..., posted by Ed O`Flaherty on November 2, 2002, at 16:33:45

Hi Ed,

I took an extra 1000mg of my Salmon Oil right before bed, and I know it helped, because I woke up about 2AM with that same feeling I get when I start a new AD, somewhat energized and buzzed, but it was so much milder!!!!!! I think I may stick with the GNC Salmon oil, because it is helping, and I can spread it out during the day. My only concern is the blood glucose level, and the possibility of contamination. I only take 2 though, so I don't think it is affecting my glucose level too much, as I am not a diabetic, so I may stick with it for now. Also the GNC rep told me if I was concerned about the possibility of contaminents in fish oil, than the Salmon is the way to go. I am considering buying the twinlab brand, but I am afraid that would be too high a dose for me at one time. The Eskimo 3 brand is another one I may try, since I like the way they purify the oil, but it seems cost prohibitive for me, when the Salmon Oil is clearly working. I am going to continue to research this.

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it...

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 3, 2002, at 12:11:07

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Ed O`Flaherty, posted by disney4 on November 3, 2002, at 9:17:41

> Hi Ed,
>
> My only concern is the blood glucose level, and the possibility of contamination. I only take 2 though, so I don't think it is affecting my glucose level too much, as I am not a diabetic, so I may stick with it for now.

There are two different mechanisms by which fish oil might affect glucose regulation. One is an acute effect (immediate) and the other chronic (long-term). Neither one is any concern to someone who is not already insulin-resistant, as both improve the responsiveness of your body to insulin signalling. The DHA in fish oil upregulates the synthesis of insulin receptors in skeletal muscle, acting to prevent insulin resistance and the development of type-2 diabetes, or what is known as Syndrome X. For those already under treatment for glucose regulation problems, adding fish oil to the diet may temporarily affect the dose and timing of medication required, so medical supervision may be necessary. However, that effect diminishes over time.

The issue of contamination may be a red herring, if you'll pardon the horrible play on words. The British government agency MAFF has probably got the premier food-surveillance and analysis program in the world today, and their analyses of commercial fish oils does not show gross contamination, with the exception of some cod liver oils. Liver is where the toxicants accumulate most readily, but you shouldn't use liver oils daily in any case, because they are so full of fat-soluble vitamins. Commercial fish oils are a commodity, just like pork bellies. There probably isn't too much variability between brands, except perhaps those brands which are supposed to have been 'cleaned up', for which you pay a premium. I'm not so sure I'd take their word for it. The British studies don't seem to find much difference (although I may be misinterpreting that issue).

The reason I don't think contamination is too much of an issue arises from my studies of epidemiology. People who eat fish are healthier than those who don't, in a vast number of ways of measuring health. Those fish may or may not have been grossly contaminated, but except for some 'hot spots' of local contamination, there does not seem to be a link between fish consumption and negative outcomes. People are eating the same fish from which the oils originate, and are healthier because of it.

You might want to look at it the choice this way: Is it better to remain in a mental state for which I sought treatment (proven ill health), or take the risk that consuming fish products might make me sick down the line?


>Also the GNC rep told me if I was concerned about the possibility of contaminents in fish oil, than the Salmon is the way to go.

Yes, salmon is a good choice, with respect to contaminant levels.

>I am considering buying the twinlab brand, but I am afraid that would be too high a dose for me at one time.

I don't understand the link between brand and dose. You want to take as much fish oil as is necessary to provide about 1 gram/day of EPA.

>The Eskimo 3 brand is another one I may try, since I like the way they purify the oil, but it seems cost prohibitive for me, when the Salmon Oil is clearly working. I am going to continue to research this.

I'm not convinced the extra cost is worth it, but some may decide that controlling as many variables as possible is a contributor to peace of mind.

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Larry Hoover

Posted by disney4 on November 3, 2002, at 19:45:38

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it..., posted by Larry Hoover on November 3, 2002, at 12:11:07

Thanks for all the helpful information! I wanted to clarify what I meant about the TwinLab brand and higher EPA-DHA levels. They make a product called Mega Twin Fish oil, where a 1gm capsule contains 600 mg EPA and 240 mg DHA, where as my GNC Salmon Oil 1 gm capsule contains 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA. Although the GNC still costs less in cost comparison, the TwinLab would cut down on oil intake to get the same dosage of active ingrediants, which seems like a plus to me, although I want to up my intake gradually, before I would consider taking that high of a dosage at one sitting. Do you have any sugestions for how high I would want to safely go to help with OCD and bipoalr disorder (at this time I am on the depressed side)? I have read a few reports on myofacial pain at the higher doses.
Thanks again,
Elsie

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it...

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 3, 2002, at 22:21:20

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Larry Hoover, posted by disney4 on November 3, 2002, at 19:45:38

> Although the GNC still costs less in cost comparison, the TwinLab would cut down on oil intake to get the same dosage of active ingrediants, which seems like a plus to me, although I want to up my intake gradually, before I would consider taking that high of a dosage at one sitting. Do you have any sugestions for how high I would want to safely go to help with OCD and bipoalr disorder (at this time I am on the depressed side)?

Stoll's preliminary research used 9.6 grams/day of omega-3's from fish oil. That's about 30 of your GNC-type capsules a day. I think that maintaining a daily average intake of 5 or 6 grams of fish oil a day is a good objective. Stoll was trying to prove a point, based on an acute treatment protocol. I think that a maintenance dose need not be so high. You're wise to gradually raise the dose. Some people don't tolerate fish oil well.

>I have read a few reports on myofacial pain at the higher doses.
> Thanks again,
> Elsie

I can't find anything anywhere that refers to myofascial pain arising from using fish oil or anything like that. Could you point to a source for this idea? I'd be happy to look into it.

Lar

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Larry Hoover

Posted by disney4 on November 3, 2002, at 22:46:23

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it..., posted by Larry Hoover on November 3, 2002, at 22:21:20

I read about the myofacial pain in two reports on this site, but it seems uncommon to me as well. I think it was caused from starting out at very high doses, which is never wise with anything. What brand of fish oil are you using. I was considering Omegabrite, but I need a high DHA content too, because I am in a depressed state, and need some of DHA's mood elevating properties. I know the recomended amount is a 2:1 ratio of EPA to DHA, but most products seem like a 30:20, with the exception of the Twinlabs, and I suspect they may be using cod liver oil to get the high concentration of EPA and DHA in such a small amount of oil. When I looked up the trademark Seven Seas Healthcare, they were basically a cod liver oil supplier, and cod liver oil is fish oil.

After researching further, I may try a product called Health From the Sun. They specialize in fish oils, and their products have been used in some of the research. They are more concentrated in EPA and DHA. The one I am considering is called Ultra 30/20 Fish Oil™, Health From The Sun, 1000 mg., 90 Capsules
Helps Support Healthy Heart Function & Joint Flexibility
Dietary Supplement

Health From The Sun Ultra-30/20 Fish Oil™ supplies omega-3 EPA (30%-600 mg per serving) and DHA (20%-400 mg per serving) in natural triglyceride form. Molecularly distilled and guaranteed for omega-3 potency, Ultra 30/20 Fish Oil has nine years of clinical studies that show it supports healthy heart function and joint flexibility.

Ultra 30/20 Fish Oil also has five years of clinical safety studies and independent laboratories guarantee oil quality, purity and truth-in-labeling.

Ultra 30/20 Fish Oil is from Health From The Sun, "The Leader in Essential Fatty Acid Nutrition"™

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size 2 Capsules
Servings Per Container 45

Amount Per Serving % DV*
Calories 20
Calories from Fat 20
Total Fat 2 g 3%*
Saturated Fat 0 g 0%*
Cholesterol 20 mg 7%*
Vitamin E 4 IU 13%
-----------------------------------------------------------
Omega-3-Fatty Acids 1.2 g +
EPA (600 mg)
DHA (400 mg)
-----------------------------------------------------------
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
+ Daily Value not established

Ingredients: All natural fish body oil concentrate, gelatin, glycerin and mixed tocopherols.

Directions: One to two capsules twice daily. "

Expiration date: Approx. 2 years after the date of purchase.

Brand: Health From The Sun
1000 mg. each, 90 Capsules

Suggested Retail Price: $29.99


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Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it...

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 4, 2002, at 8:23:05

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Larry Hoover, posted by disney4 on November 3, 2002, at 22:46:23

> I read about the myofacial pain in two reports on this site, but it seems uncommon to me as well.

Well there's nothing in Medline/Pubmed, and I didn't find anything on Google either.

>What brand of fish oil are you using.

Whatever. I've probably got four or five brands. Country Life or Walmart's Spring Valley seem fine to me.

>I was considering Omegabrite, but I need a high DHA content too, because I am in a depressed state, and need some of DHA's mood elevating properties. I know the recomended amount is a 2:1 ratio of EPA to DHA, but most products seem like a 30:20, with the exception of the Twinlabs, and I suspect they may be using cod liver oil to get the high concentration of EPA and DHA in such a small amount of oil. When I looked up the trademark Seven Seas Healthcare, they were basically a cod liver oil supplier, and cod liver oil is fish oil.

Yes, cod liver oil is fish oil, but it doesn't have an appreciably different ratio of fatty acids than the rest of the fish would have. I can't see anyone using liver oils undeclared on the label (it's more expensive). There are chemical processes to create more concentrated versions of fish oil.

A number of recent studies have used ethyl-eicosapentaenoate with good success. That's just the ethyl alcohol ester of the free fatty acid EPA. Yes, DHA is beneficial in its own right, but there's no a priori reason to believe that you need to take an oil enriched proportionately in DHA. Your body will look after the details.

>
> After researching further, I may try a product called Health From the Sun. They specialize in fish oils, and their products have been used in some of the research.

I think the only issue around brand of oil is choosing one that you're going to take. Find your comfort level, but take the oil.

Maybe I'm not the one to ask about toxins and all that stuff. As an environmental toxicologist, I well remember how I felt when I first started to realize just how seriously human activity has contaminated the environment. Everywhere I looked, there was something to concern me. Chemicals leaching from plastic into food. Acid rain mobilizing heavy metals. There was always something new to fear. But guess what? You can't avoid pollution. You can reduce it, with wise choices, but avoid it? Not a chance.

Do you know what the most recent pollutant "discovery" is? Pharmaceutical drugs emitting from sewage treatment plants. All the antidepressants and hormones and heart drugs and so on are going in one side of the STP, and coming right out the other end, because bacteria haven't got the enzymes which fit these molecules to break them down. If your tap water comes from a surface water source (river, lake, reservoir), you can almost be certain you're drinking these drugs. Bottled water? About a 50% chance, as around that proportion of bottled water is nothing more than municipal tap water.

You see where I'm going? A good brand of fish oil is the one in your stomach.

Lar

 

Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Larry Hoover

Posted by disney4 on November 5, 2002, at 10:48:05

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it..., posted by Larry Hoover on November 4, 2002, at 8:23:05

You are right about contaminents. It helps to hear that, because I am so phobic about pollutants, germs, etc...I am dignosed with OCD as well as Bipolar, so that may explain it. I did order the Health from The Sun brand, and I am increasing my dosage gradually. I need the extra mood support!!!!!!
Elsie :)

 

Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,

Posted by McPac on November 5, 2002, at 20:25:45

In reply to Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, I'll try it... » Larry Hoover, posted by disney4 on November 5, 2002, at 10:48:05

"You want to take as much fish oil as is necessary to provide about 1 gram/day of EPA."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What about DHA? Does it matter if it's 1 gram of EPA alone, EPA & DHA together, etc.? DHA is also good for depression right?

 

Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, » McPac

Posted by disney4 on November 5, 2002, at 20:58:28

In reply to Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,, posted by McPac on November 5, 2002, at 20:25:45

There has been research on both the EPA and DHA for mood stabilization and AD benefits. My take on it is that the EPA provides more of the mood stabilization and the DHA more of the AD properties. I am going to be taking 900 mg of EPA and 600mg of DHA daily, and move up from there if need be.

 

Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 5, 2002, at 21:04:07

In reply to Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,, posted by McPac on November 5, 2002, at 20:25:45

> "You want to take as much fish oil as is necessary to provide about 1 gram/day of EPA."
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>What about DHA? Does it matter if it's 1 gram of EPA alone, EPA & DHA together, etc.? DHA is also good for depression right?

If you take a rather typical fish oil, you'll get about 2/3 of a gram of DHA for every gram of EPA. I was basing the EPA dose on the best available study, which showed the maximum antidepressant effect at about 1 gram EPA/day. I consider the effect of the DHA to be a bonus.

 

Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,

Posted by mvn_on on November 7, 2002, at 14:31:27

In reply to Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,, posted by Larry Hoover on November 5, 2002, at 21:04:07

You might try taking natural vitamin E 400iu with the fish oil. I also keep them in the fridge as soon as I open the bottle so they don't get nasty smelling. The first day I tried it I felt like a little cloud lifted. It was surprising.

PS I have read that fish oil omega 3 fatty acids will help lose weight gain from ssri's

 

Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, » Larry Hoover

Posted by disney4 on November 7, 2002, at 14:41:41

In reply to Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,, posted by Larry Hoover on November 5, 2002, at 21:04:07

Hi again Larry,

Have you read anything about fish oil keeping better refridgerated? I have always kept mine in a kitchen cabinet, and there is nothing on the bottle that indicates product stays fresher when refridgerated. Just pondering this after reading the latest posting.

 

Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready,

Posted by Larry Hoover on November 7, 2002, at 15:03:11

In reply to Re: Larry Re: Fish Oil, all right, all ready, » Larry Hoover, posted by disney4 on November 7, 2002, at 14:41:41

I suppose it can't hurt to refrigerate fish oil capsules, but I don't see why you'd have to. Rancidity is caused by a reaction with oxygen, and the whole point of those gelatin capsules is to keep air out. Another condition promoting rancidity is sunlight, so you shouldn't leave your fish oil on the windowsill. The third condition is temperature, so you want to keep them relatively cool (again, not in sunlight would probably be sufficient). Refrigeration should certainly look after the temperature and sunlight issues, but I don't see it as necessary. So long as there's an added antioxidant (e.g. tocopherol), the capsules should remain palatable long enough for you to finish them off.

 

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