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Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 26, 2001, at 16:30:44
I suffer from HORRIBLE anxiety/panic attacks from time to time. I take Xanax for them, when one comes over me I try to get the Xanax into my body IMMEDIATELY.
I was wondering who else out there has these attacks and what you do for them? I always like to have other's opinions on things of this nature.
Thanks.
P.L.
Posted by Mary-Teresa on November 26, 2001, at 19:03:27
In reply to ANXIETY/PANIC ATTACKS Who out there has them?, posted by Pamela Lynn on November 26, 2001, at 16:30:44
HI Pamela Lynn, I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks. I have been helped most from Klonopin, and clomapramine when in a real state.
Good Luck
Mary
Posted by adamie on November 26, 2001, at 20:19:19
In reply to Re: ANXIETY/PANIC ATTACKS Who out there has them?, posted by Mary-Teresa on November 26, 2001, at 19:03:27
what does it feel like? mind torture? feeling of doom? me dunno so please tell me
Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 27, 2001, at 0:04:37
In reply to Re: ANXIETY/PANIC ATTACKS Who out there has them?, posted by Mary-Teresa on November 26, 2001, at 19:03:27
And hello to you too Mary!
Thank you for posting....It is nice to hear from someone that actually suffers from these attacks, like I do. I have take the clonazepam (generic Klonopin) for them in the past too. I find, for myself, that Xanax is the best and works well for me.
Those attacks suck at best, don't they?
P.L.
> HI Pamela Lynn, I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks. I have been helped most from Klonopin, and clomapramine when in a real state.
> Good Luck
> Mary
Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 27, 2001, at 0:13:50
In reply to what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by adamie on November 26, 2001, at 20:19:19
For me...I start to feel a horrible kinda dreadful feeling start to come over me. I start to get scared and my heart starts to race and my skin to sweat.
I liken my attacks to the feeling of being chased say, in the woods by someone you don't know in the darkness. I get utterly terrified if I don't take a Xanax right away....kinda like a deer in the headlights.
I will tell you, these attacks are horrible, just awful...I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. I started getting them after the birth of my son...alittle over 5 yrs. ago! I thought they might be from post-partum or something; but being how I still suffer from them, I and my doc. don't think they are from post-partum anylonger!
This is how I feel when having an attack...other people, I am sure, experience different symptoms of them.
PLEASE, never let anyone tell you that someone who claims to suffer from an anxiety/panic attack DOESN'T suffer from them...They are REAL and they are just awful.
Also..as a note here (lol), I exercise every other day, with weight training involved and that doesn't help lessen my attacks at all!
Hope this helps adamie.....P.L.
> what does it feel like? mind torture? feeling of doom? me dunno so please tell me
Posted by Gracie2 on November 28, 2001, at 13:24:29
In reply to what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by adamie on November 26, 2001, at 20:19:19
Well, of course, it's terrible. I differentiate
panic attacks from anxiety attacks because an anxiety attack is brought on for a reason, often imaginary - someone is trying to break into your house, your son is late coming home so he must have been in a fatal car crash - stuff like that.A panic attack often occurs for no discernable reason. Your heart starts to pound, you often sweat and hyperventilate, adrenaline floods your system, you think you might actually be dieing.
Once I had such a severe panic attack, right in the middle of the mall, I had to run to the restroom and throw up. In short, you just feel terrified, scared to death.If you suffer from panic attacks, you need treatment. There's no reason to go through that kind of hell when help is available.
Go get help!
Gracie
Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 28, 2001, at 14:11:59
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by Gracie2 on November 28, 2001, at 13:24:29
Sometimes, when I 'start off' with an anxiety attack, it turns into a full blown 'panic' attack. What I am saying is that for me alot of the times an anxiety attack goes hand-in-hand with a panic attack for me.
I try to take a Xanax asap for these attacks.
P.L.
> Well, of course, it's terrible. I differentiate
> panic attacks from anxiety attacks because an anxiety attack is brought on for a reason, often imaginary - someone is trying to break into your house, your son is late coming home so he must have been in a fatal car crash - stuff like that.
>
> A panic attack often occurs for no discernable reason. Your heart starts to pound, you often sweat and hyperventilate, adrenaline floods your system, you think you might actually be dieing.
> Once I had such a severe panic attack, right in the middle of the mall, I had to run to the restroom and throw up. In short, you just feel terrified, scared to death.
>
> If you suffer from panic attacks, you need treatment. There's no reason to go through that kind of hell when help is available.
>
> Go get help!
> Gracie
Posted by Thrud on November 30, 2001, at 8:39:48
In reply to what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by adamie on November 26, 2001, at 20:19:19
> what does it feel like? mind torture? feeling of doom? me dunno so please tell me
For me, a panic attack is like this. Imagine that you had suddenly materialized inside a pitch black, sinking U-Boat while at the peak pain of drowning, and feeling the dread (and obviously panic)of being fatally entombed.
Then repeat the experience over and over while never getting 'used' to it. That is what panic disorder is like for me (I mean, when not on effective medication). Suffering terrible deaths over and over without actually dying.
Apparently being administered with a good GABA antagonist is the best way to induce panic attacks in 'normal' people. I don't suggest you try it: typical quotes from the normal subjects were along the lines of 'completely unbearable' and 'the worst experience of their lives'.
In short, the pain of panic disorder is astonishing and (keeping with the military theme) I would not have even wished it on Hitler or Stalin (both of whom I despise above all others).
Thrud
Posted by Lisa Simpson on December 1, 2001, at 15:07:34
In reply to what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by adamie on November 26, 2001, at 20:19:19
For me, it starts off with an terrible overwhelming feeling that something truly awful is about to happen. Then my heart starts to race, then I start to have trouble breathing. At the peak, I cannot breathe, I just keep gasping for breath, and I know I am going to suffocate.
Lisa
Posted by SarahLouise1981 on November 20, 2003, at 17:23:24
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by Lisa Simpson on December 1, 2001, at 15:07:34
My panic attacks tend to start off slowly. I get a tightening in my throat and usually a long hot flush. My heart tends to beat faster and without realising, my breathing quickens. I look down to see my hands starting to shake and suddenly have the overwhleming urgency to get out of where ever i am and in to somewhere cooler. I start to fight the panic and rational thoughts leave my head. I start to panic and get frightend about how my body is going to react this time.
I look around me and see the people I know and care being blissfully unaware of how frightend i am but am too petrified to tell them how I'm feeling. My chest is starting to tighten and I'm finding it more and more difficult to breathe.
I stand up, walk out of reception and to the outside. The air is cool and fresh. I take a deep breath to release the tightness in my chest. Slowly, the shaking eases and I begin to calm down. My only fear now, is, will it happen again when I walk back in...I'm 21 and have been suffering for four years. My attacks aren't so bad that my doctor has put me on medication but I totally agree with the sentiments that some of you have mentioned.
It is probably one of the most frightening experiences any one person can have and I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy.At least we know, we're not alone
Sarah xx
Posted by annonymous on December 30, 2003, at 2:25:59
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack? » Lisa Simpson, posted by SarahLouise1981 on November 20, 2003, at 17:23:24
I started getting severe panic attacks about a year ago...worrying myself to the point of staying up all night and day...dreading going to bed because you know you're going to wake up sick to your stomach, and have to face it all over again. After you've had a panic attack, life is not the same. Life is grey. Torture. You feel like you've gone mad. It's a shitty cycle. I have gone the antidepressant route and had the worst bad acid-trip experience of my life which is no experience for someone going through panic attacks.
I would like to bring light to the very important fact that there is no one known cause of depression or anxiety disorders. The information in the marketing of these drugs is misleading. The drug companies are very intent to take advantage of your desperation and offer you a quick fix. someone makes pretty good coin off those pills you're popping to make yourself "normal". If you were read any information on anti depressants they try to tell you that " although the cause is unknown, depression MAY BE caused by a chemical imbalance" key words MAY BE meaning it MAY ALSO BE DUE TO F*UCKING ANYTHING AND WE DON"T REALLY KNOW BUT HERE TAKE THESE MIND ALTERING PILLS blah blah blah this goes for herbal aswell as all prescribed medications that is why they don't work on everyone. don't let them brainwash you into believing you're f*cked up because you're not. it is insane not to be insane in this world. there are various physical/emotional/mental/environmental factors that cause depression and anxiety. it has been four months since i've had a panic attack. of course i still get the fear every once and a while and i do smoke a lot of weed to fall asleep at night but the good thing is i have not had the terrifying hyperventilating panic attacks i used to have. here is a good website to read on helping with panic attacks. i know lots of you guys laugh at these techniques but if some of this sh@t works for me it can work for anyone.
Posted by Pamela Lynn on December 30, 2003, at 8:09:15
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by annonymous on December 30, 2003, at 2:25:59
> I started getting severe panic attacks about a year ago...worrying myself to the point of staying up all night and day...dreading going to bed because you know you're going to wake up sick to your stomach, and have to face it all over again. After you've had a panic attack, life is not the same. Life is grey. Torture. You feel like you've gone mad. It's a shitty cycle. I have gone the antidepressant route and had the worst bad acid-trip experience of my life which is no experience for someone going through panic attacks.
> I would like to bring light to the very important fact that there is no one known cause of depression or anxiety disorders. The information in the marketing of these drugs is misleading. The drug companies are very intent to take advantage of your desperation and offer you a quick fix. someone makes pretty good coin off those pills you're popping to make yourself "normal". If you were read any information on anti depressants they try to tell you that " although the cause is unknown, depression MAY BE caused by a chemical imbalance" key words MAY BE meaning it MAY ALSO BE DUE TO F*UCKING ANYTHING AND WE DON"T REALLY KNOW BUT HERE TAKE THESE MIND ALTERING PILLS blah blah blah this goes for herbal aswell as all prescribed medications that is why they don't work on everyone. don't let them brainwash you into believing you're f*cked up because you're not. it is insane not to be insane in this world. there are various physical/emotional/mental/environmental factors that cause depression and anxiety. it has been four months since i've had a panic attack. of course i still get the fear every once and a while and i do smoke a lot of weed to fall asleep at night but the good thing is i have not had the terrifying hyperventilating panic attacks i used to have. here is a good website to read on helping with panic attacks. i know lots of you guys laugh at these techniques but if some of this sh@t works for me it can work for anyone.
>
> http://www.panicattacks.com.au/SelfHelp/mindful.htmlWOW...those are some strong statements/words for my brain to take in so early yet in the day!
Anyway....all of the above that you have stated may indeed be true "for you" but others (including myself) HAVE been helped by meds. My panic attacks are far and few inbetween....funny, before Klonopin/Xanax I had them all the time. Depression and or anxiety are very real. Many, many people DO very well on anti-depressants/benzo's. Many people, in fact, have been brought back from the 'brink' with taking a med. (me included...Effexor literally saved my life). Would you also tell someone with chronic high B.P. to NOT take medication for it? Or tell a person with heart problems to not take meds. for that?
I don't know who you are but you remind me of someone standing up on a soap box throwing out pamphlets, screaming "the truth" as you see it. Most people just go right past people up on soapboxes...there ARE better ways to get your 'meaning' across.
Pamela
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 30, 2003, at 9:57:47
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by annonymous on December 30, 2003, at 2:25:59
> It's a sh[*]tty cycle.
I'm sorry it's been rough for you, and I appreciate the * and @ you used, but the above slipped through, so I need to remind you not to use language that could offend others:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> here is a good website to read on helping with panic attacks. i know lots of you guys laugh at these techniques but if some of this sh@t works for me it can work for anyone.
>
> http://www.panicattacks.com.au/SelfHelp/mindful.htmlAlso, I'd like follow-ups about psychological techniques to be redirected to Psychological Babble.
Finally, because "annonymous" could be confused with "anonymous", please change your name if you continue to post. To do that:
1. Re-register ("for the first time") under a new name.
2. Post a message (under your new name) at Psycho-Babble Administration saying that you used to post under a different name. But not necessarily specifying that name.Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies, and complaints about posts, should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 30, 2003, at 10:02:33
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack? » annonymous, posted by Pamela Lynn on December 30, 2003, at 8:09:15
> you remind me of someone standing up on a soap box throwing out pamphlets, screaming "the truth" as you see it. Most people just go right past people up on soapboxes...
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
> there ARE better ways to get your 'meaning' across.
It's fine to give others feedback as long as its constructive. It tends to be more constructive if you put things in terms of what the other person might do better rather than what they did "wrong". Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Annonymous-o on December 31, 2003, at 3:12:17
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack? » annonymous, posted by Pamela Lynn on December 30, 2003, at 8:09:15
I don't know who you are either, whatever that meant, hense the "annonymous", and if you're going to take shots at me you might as well read it through, never once did i say depression was not real (in fact i described my experience with it)or that medication couldn't help some people through.. it was my family that referred me to the antidepressants they use, which didn't work on me ...i did specify that they don't work on everyone. you missed the point which was that there is no proof whatsoever that depression is solely a chemical disorder if at all and therefore it cannot be compared to conditions like high blood pressure. it is not the same for anyone either that's exactly my point if it's not necessarily a physical medical condition then the drugs should not be pushed onto people before they are thoroughly medically examined. nor should anyone use them without researching the problem and the drugs that they are taking. i am not preaching or hoping to get fans by what i'm writing here whatever your problem is i was put onto drugs for depression when i could otherwise have helped myself out of the condition i was in in other ways, which i eventually did. so what if medications work for you great i'm glad to hear it but it might be good advice to give to someone who is maybe considering going the medical route to research and understand it all. if you know panic attacks you know that you feel like you're going crazy and have lost control and for me, i found that the medications took away even more control. there are people it works for and people it doesn't. both sides should be considered. yes they've brought people from the brink but those drugs also Cause many people to go over the edge.
BTW pam, you don't know sh*t about me like you so politely stated nor do you realize that i don't care if anyone in the world reads this posting so knock the bitch chip off your shoulder because i wasn't being insulting in any way...hopefully you woke up on the right side of the bed today and opened your mind a little
Posted by Pamela Lynn on December 31, 2003, at 7:49:18
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by Annonymous-o on December 31, 2003, at 3:12:17
Again...WOW!
Obviously you do care or you wouldn't have posted btw.
I'm sorry you are so angry and that I added to that anger. I truly am.
Try to take it easy...Have a good New Year.
Pamela
Posted by dragonfly25 on December 31, 2003, at 8:54:11
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by Annonymous-o on December 31, 2003, at 3:12:17
hey annonomous-o
i actually supported averything you said in your original post. i have benifitted from drugs, but i am far from a drug suppporter! i want off tehm more than anything. i agree totally about what you said about derpression along with other disorders. they don't have solid proof about anything. but what they do seem pretty confident about is that all of these disorders whether starting out a chemical problem or not, end as one. because how we react to everything changes our brain chemistry, so as strange as it sounds thinking is as powerful as a pill.
but as much as i support you i just want to add that you did come accross a little angry in your post, it is hard to tell with reading. in your 2nd post you are obviously angry. don't let these things get to you, it was just a miscommunication, and i FULLY support what you said :)
dragonfly
Posted by Dr. Bob on December 31, 2003, at 9:13:55
In reply to Re: what does it feel like to have a panic attack?, posted by Annonymous-o on December 31, 2003, at 3:12:17
> if you're going to take shots at me you might as well read it through
>
> you missed the point
>
> knock the bitch chip off your shoulder
>
> hopefully you woke up on the right side of the bed today and opened your mind a littleDifferent points of view are fine, and in fact encouraged, but please be sensitive to the feelings of others and don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. I already asked you to be civil, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week. Best wishes,
Bob
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