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Posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 2:21:09
Dr. Bob--
This board badly needs to be "put to bed." It has been "up" too long and the temper tantrums show no sign of abating.
PLEASE "retire" it! Let us hope fervently that it "wakes up" in a better (more supportive and educational) mood. I won't, however, be holding my breath.
Another unsolicited suggestion. Perhaps, on your next "redo" the "Please be civil." could be made more prominent--bigger font, brighter color, flashing? Then we could simply copy and paste it into a subject line or post. Who knows, it might even save you some time in the long run.
Thanks for your patience.
medlib
Posted by ChrisK on May 16, 2000, at 6:16:18
In reply to CALLING DR. BOB: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 2:21:09
Personally I don't read EVERY thread and when the topic lines get insulting I never open them. This is a great site for people with a lot of psychological problems and med questions. I would hope that it never gets shut down for any reason. Dr. Bob's site is a true treat for many of us. The vast majority of us are very civil. If there is a solution it would be to ignore the rude and ignorant posts and not let these threads grow.
Posted by Cam W. on May 16, 2000, at 7:27:30
In reply to Re: CALLING DR. BOB: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by ChrisK on May 16, 2000, at 6:16:18
>Dr. Bob's site is a true treat for many of us. The vast majority of us are very civil. If there is a solution it would be to ignore the rude and ignorant posts and not let these threads grow.
Chris - I fully agree. Thanks for putting it so plainly - Cam
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 16, 2000, at 7:37:56
In reply to CALLING DR. BOB: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 2:21:09
> This board badly needs to be "put to bed." It has been "up" too long and the temper tantrums show no sign of abating.
>
> PLEASE "retire" it! Let us hope fervently that it "wakes up" in a better (more supportive and educational) mood. I won't, however, be holding my breath.
>
> Another unsolicited suggestion. Perhaps, on your next "redo" the "Please be civil." could be made more prominent--bigger font, brighter color, flashing? Then we could simply copy and paste it into a subject line or post. Who knows, it might even save you some time in the long run.I don't think the size of the font is the issue. :-) These kinds of problems go with this territory. :-(
I'll try to do something as soon as I can, but, unfortunately, that isn't right now. My suggestions would be (1) ignore disruptive posts and (2) remember that people may not be who they seem.
You don't have to defend me or the board (see #1). And I should've said so before, but I blocked fred without a warning because I believed him to be a "repeat offender" (see #2).
Thanks for your patience,
Bob
Posted by Cindy W on May 16, 2000, at 8:57:33
In reply to Re: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by Dr. Bob on May 16, 2000, at 7:37:56
> > This board badly needs to be "put to bed." It has been "up" too long and the temper tantrums show no sign of abating.
> >
> > PLEASE "retire" it! Let us hope fervently that it "wakes up" in a better (more supportive and educational) mood. I won't, however, be holding my breath.
> >
> > Another unsolicited suggestion. Perhaps, on your next "redo" the "Please be civil." could be made more prominent--bigger font, brighter color, flashing? Then we could simply copy and paste it into a subject line or post. Who knows, it might even save you some time in the long run.
>
> I don't think the size of the font is the issue. :-) These kinds of problems go with this territory. :-(
>
> I'll try to do something as soon as I can, but, unfortunately, that isn't right now. My suggestions would be (1) ignore disruptive posts and (2) remember that people may not be who they seem.
>
> You don't have to defend me or the board (see #1). And I should've said so before, but I blocked fred without a warning because I believed him to be a "repeat offender" (see #2).
>
> Thanks for your patience,
>
> Bob
Dr. Bob, you don't have to do anything different. Your board is great and you are doing a great job. I think we should just ignore all the rude or disruptive people. Keep up the good work!
Posted by Alan on May 16, 2000, at 10:01:58
In reply to Good idea Chris, posted by Cam W. on May 16, 2000, at 7:27:30
> >Dr. Bob's site is a true treat for many of us. The vast majority of us are very civil. If there is a solution it would be to ignore the rude and ignorant posts and not let these threads grow.
>
> Chris - I fully agree. Thanks for putting it so plainly - Cam
****************************
Reminds me of Kindergarteners all sitting in a circle, learning to cooperate and trust and accomplish something together....then there's always one that want's the most attention that for whatever reason they aren't getting and they go nuclear. This situation is really childish.
We are all adults here and need to appeal to each others sensibilities in an adult manner.
Disruptive is disruptive at any age.
Ever watch a professional (moderated) debate forum? In the best ones that I've seen the moderater would immediately eject this type of offender or at least give fair warning to debate the issue at hand in non-inflamatory language...otherwise the debate (conversation) would come to a screeching halt.
Alan
********************************
Posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 10:42:34
In reply to CALLING DR. BOB: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 2:21:09
> Dr. Bob--
>
> This board badly needs to be "put to bed." It has been "up" too long and the temper tantrums show no sign of abating.
>
> PLEASE "retire" it! Let us hope fervently that it "wakes up" in a better (more supportive and educational) mood. I won't, however, be holding my breath.
>
> Another unsolicited suggestion. Perhaps, on your next "redo" the "Please be civil." could be made more prominent--bigger font, brighter color, flashing? Then we could simply copy and paste it into a subject line or post. Who knows, it might even save you some time in the long run.
>
> Thanks for your patience.
>
> medlib
-----------------------------------
Babblers--I should have been less "cute" or metaphoric. I was simply suggesting that this group of messages be archived--hoping that a fresh page might give us a fresh start. Clearly, Dr. Bob is exceptionally busy and will do what he can when he can; whatever he does is much appreciated by most of us, including me. My relative inexperience re message boards (6 months here only) should have restrained my impulse to post.
I became acutely attuned to rage during my bipolar brother's angry adolescence. (I am still surprised that both he and our parents survived his teen years.) For me, uncontrolled rage is a positive feedback mechanism; harm follows inevitably. The first personal insult closes the ears not only of his/her audience but also those of the rager. Reasoned discourse is at best a waste; at worst, further fuel for the fire. So, I never respond to rage; on this board I never open posts of ragers, once identified.
Still, the distress of many is evident. Such hostility pollutes the therapeutic atmosphere of this board; I would be very sad to see it prevail.
medlib
Posted by Mark H. on May 16, 2000, at 11:00:37
In reply to Re: Correction/Clarification, posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 10:42:34
MedLib,
My ears aren't closed, even when I experience rage. Sometimes the best thing someone can do for me on those relatively rare occasions is to roar back that I know I'm wrong, that I need to sit down and meditate, that I may not and must not stay in that hateful, destructive place.
I'm just speaking for myself, though.
Many thanks,
Mark
Posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 11:04:20
In reply to Re: Bedtime for BONZO(I believe), posted by Alan on May 16, 2000, at 10:01:58
> > >Dr. Bob's site is a true treat for many of us. The vast majority of us are very civil. If there is a solution it would be to ignore the rude and ignorant posts and not let these threads grow.
> >
> > Chris - I fully agree. Thanks for putting it so plainly - Cam
> ****************************
> Reminds me of Kindergarteners all sitting in a circle, learning to cooperate and trust and accomplish something together....then there's always one that want's the most attention that for whatever reason they aren't getting and they go nuclear. This situation is really childish.
> We are all adults here and need to appeal to each others sensibilities in an adult manner.
> Disruptive is disruptive at any age.
> Ever watch a professional (moderated) debate forum? In the best ones that I've seen the moderater would immediately eject this type of offender or at least give fair warning to debate the issue at hand in non-inflamatory language...otherwise the debate (conversation) would come to a screeching halt.
> Alan
> ********************************Alan--
You're right, of course. Not only did the subject line refuse to allow quotes, I mistyped the title of our former president's most infamous acting effort--and failed to catch my mistake. I should have put *myself* to bed instead!
medlib
Posted by firstfred on May 16, 2000, at 11:48:21
In reply to Re: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by Dr. Bob on May 16, 2000, at 7:37:56
> I don't think the size of the font is the issue. :-) These kinds of problems go with this territory. :-(
>
> I'll try to do something as soon as I can, but, unfortunately, that isn't right now. My suggestions would be (1) ignore disruptive posts and (2) remember that people may not be who they seem.
>
> You don't have to defend me or the board (see #1). And I should've said so before, but I blocked fred without a warning because I believed him to be a "repeat offender" (see #2).
>
> Thanks for your patience,
>
> BobHi bob- I'm afraid you're mistaken this time. I'm not a repeat offender. I also am not Fred Stone. I don't have any agenda except to try and help other people who might someday find themselves in the position I was in. I'm sorry if my style diverted attention from a very important issue.
I've respected your attempt to block me from the site but felt justified in coming back to set the record straight re my misidentification as a past offender.fred
PS to boBB
You're a good man. Don't let this hurt you more than it all ready has. I think rather than asking why you are so angry the better question might be, why isn't everyone else? But I also think sometimes you have to choose your battles and Psychobabble is a teeny part of the world. I remember you were missed when you quit posting. Follow your conscience, but try not to lose friends over this. Affectionately, "fred"
Posted by bob on May 16, 2000, at 17:45:47
In reply to Re: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by firstfred on May 16, 2000, at 11:48:21
> Hi bob- I'm afraid you're mistaken this time.
... maybe you, too, fred -- bob ain't boBB ain't Dr. Bob. ;^)
[hmmm ... I could always go back to my old "Bob (not Dr.)" moniker ... I was a capital-B back then ... ah, the good old days ....]
Personally, I'm glad you've found a way back. Mark has a rather good habit of reminding us of how much we have to learn from everyone. This seems particularly true here since our stories are all unique and yet so similar at the same time.
... although your not being Fred Stone was pretty damn inconvenient for my joke ;^)
Dr. Bob:
I think most of us realize you need no defending. But pardon us for *wanting* to defend you. It's an expression of gratitude and thanks for this space and the wealth of information at this site. It's sad when such "expressions of gratitude" are given with a little too much, well, zeal and fervor, particularly given your desire to maintain some peace around here. But as you said, it goes with the territory.cheers,
bobps to all y'all:
If you folks ever REALLY want to see "petty", you should attend a research conference. It's so amusing to see just how catty supposedly intelligent, mature, responsible adults can be when it gets down to a matter of tenur-, er, reputa-, no, um, ... SCIENCE!Yeah, that's the ticket ... a matter of science.
Posted by Adam on May 16, 2000, at 18:31:02
In reply to To Alan, posted by medlib on May 16, 2000, at 11:04:20
Ever read Matt Groening's old comic "Life in Hell"? In that serial
there was a one-eared rabbit youngster named Bongo (one of my favorite
strips was a wonderfully Juvenalian sendup of the Family Circus where
we were asked to "Help wee little Bongo find his way home.")Anyway, bedtime for Bongo was often a period of uncomfortable
reflection where all the Big Questions an awkward pre-adolescent is
afflicted by come rampaging into his head while he lies helpless,
staring bug-eyed at the ceiling.I dunno, seems more appropriate somehow than the Gipper and his co-
star (or was it the other way around?)Clearly you were onto something.
> > > >Dr. Bob's site is a true treat for many of us. The vast majority of us are very civil. If there is a solution it would be to ignore the rude and ignorant posts and not let these threads grow.
> > >
> > > Chris - I fully agree. Thanks for putting it so plainly - Cam
> > ****************************
> > Reminds me of Kindergarteners all sitting in a circle, learning to cooperate and trust and accomplish something together....then there's always one that want's the most attention that for whatever reason they aren't getting and they go nuclear. This situation is really childish.
> > We are all adults here and need to appeal to each others sensibilities in an adult manner.
> > Disruptive is disruptive at any age.
> > Ever watch a professional (moderated) debate forum? In the best ones that I've seen the moderater would immediately eject this type of offender or at least give fair warning to debate the issue at hand in non-inflamatory language...otherwise the debate (conversation) would come to a screeching halt.
> > Alan
> > ********************************
>
> Alan--
>
> You're right, of course. Not only did the subject line refuse to allow quotes, I mistyped the title of our former president's most infamous acting effort--and failed to catch my mistake. I should have put *myself* to bed instead!
>
> medlib
Posted by Cam W. on May 16, 2000, at 18:58:49
In reply to Re: Bedtime for BONZO(I believe), posted by Alan on May 16, 2000, at 10:01:58
> ****************************
> Reminds me of Kindergarteners all sitting in a circle, learning to cooperate and trust and accomplish something together....then there's always one that want's the most attention that for whatever reason they aren't getting and they go nuclear. This situation is really childish.
> We are all adults here and need to appeal to each others sensibilities in an adult manner.
> Disruptive is disruptive at any age.
> Ever watch a professional (moderated) debate forum? In the best ones that I've seen the moderater would immediately eject this type of offender or at least give fair warning to debate the issue at hand in non-inflamatory language...otherwise the debate (conversation) would come to a screeching halt.
> Alan
> ********************************Alan - Actually this site is like a kindergarten. Many here are new to there disorders and/or medications. All of us are learning from scratch about our disorders as new research becomes available. We are learning to live our lives in a modified way; a way that we must learn. I guess a disruptive element has to emerge from time to time, as a matter of course; just like a kindergaten. - Cam
Posted by Kim on May 16, 2000, at 23:22:06
In reply to Re: Bedtime for BONZO(I believe), posted by Cam W. on May 16, 2000, at 18:58:49
Reminds me of the song my kids learned in Kindergarten--some of it seems to be rather pertinent here:
"Of all you learn here, remember this the best:
DON'T HURT EACH OTHER and clean up your mess.
Take a nap every day, wash before you eat,
Hold hands, STICK TOGETHER, look before you cross the street."
> > ****************************
> > Reminds me of Kindergarteners all sitting in a circle, learning to cooperate and trust and accomplish something together....then there's always one that want's the most attention that for whatever reason they aren't getting and they go nuclear. This situation is really childish.
> > We are all adults here and need to appeal to each others sensibilities in an adult manner.
> > Disruptive is disruptive at any age.
> > Ever watch a professional (moderated) debate forum? In the best ones that I've seen the moderater would immediately eject this type of offender or at least give fair warning to debate the issue at hand in non-inflamatory language...otherwise the debate (conversation) would come to a screeching halt.
> > Alan
> > ********************************
>
> Alan - Actually this site is like a kindergarten. Many here are new to there disorders and/or medications. All of us are learning from scratch about our disorders as new research becomes available. We are learning to live our lives in a modified way; a way that we must learn. I guess a disruptive element has to emerge from time to time, as a matter of course; just like a kindergaten. - Cam
Posted by Noa on May 17, 2000, at 10:12:28
In reply to Kindergarten, posted by Kim on May 16, 2000, at 23:22:06
Adam, you reminded me of a funny Groening cartoon, in which two adults are peering through a window into a locked cell, inside which a group of youngsters are sitting in a circle, all straightjacketed and muzzled. One adult says to the other something along the lines of..."seems like we are really making excellent progress here."
Anyway, I hope I am not firing the radical anti-psychiatry fires that are lurking about these days, by recalling this anecdote. It's just that remembering it makes me giggle.
Posted by grannybabble on May 22, 2000, at 14:06:26
In reply to Re: Kindergarten, posted by Noa on May 17, 2000, at 10:12:28
> Adam, you reminded me of a funny Groening cartoon, in which two adults are peering through a window into a locked cell, inside which a group of youngsters are sitting in a circle, all straightjacketed and muzzled. One adult says to the other something along the lines of..."seems like we are really making excellent progress here."
>
Thanks for the cartoon Noa-something to think about for sure:-)
Posted by firstfred on May 30, 2000, at 14:17:02
In reply to Re: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by firstfred on May 16, 2000, at 11:48:21
> I don't think the size of the font is the issue. :-) These kinds of problems go with this territory. :-(
> >
> > I'll try to do something as soon as I can, but, unfortunately, that isn't right now. My suggestions would be (1) ignore disruptive posts and (2) remember that people may not be who they seem.
> >
> > You don't have to defend me or the board (see #1). And I should've said so before, but I blocked fred without a warning because I believed him to be a "repeat offender" (see #2).
> >
> > Thanks for your patience,
> >
> > Bob
>
> Hi bob- I'm afraid you're mistaken this time. I'm not a repeat offender. I also am not Fred Stone. I don't have any agenda except to try and help other people who might someday find themselves in the position I was in. I'm sorry if my style diverted attention from a very important issue.
> I've respected your attempt to block me from the site but felt justified in coming back to set the record straight re my misidentification as a past offender.
>
> fred
>
Hey Bob I'm still fred. I'm still not a previous
offender. Please retract that statement unless you
have some proof (impossible- I'm just not a previous
offender, not even a warning).
Posted by Dr. Bob on May 31, 2000, at 0:28:47
In reply to Re: Bedtime for this Bongo?, posted by firstfred on May 30, 2000, at 14:17:02
> I'm still fred. I'm still not a previous
> offender. Please retract that statement unless you
> have some proof (impossible- I'm just not a previous
> offender, not even a warning).I have some evidence, but I wouldn't call it proof. If you can be civil, please feel free to participate.
Bob
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