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Posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 20:17:51
Just wondered because I think I have heard a fair few mention this one...
I was diagnosed (officially) after doing tests to see whether I was suitable for DBT or not. I studied up on the criteria big time because I was told DBT was my only treatment option (whether I met criteria or not). I worried whether it was kind of like lying... but then I figured...
ITS A PRETTY BORDERLINE THING TO DO ANYWAY, RIGHT???
Heh heh, so here I am anyway.
Pleased ta meet y'all
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 11, 2004, at 20:53:59
In reply to How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 20:17:51
> I worried whether it was kind of like lying... but then I figured...
>
> ITS A PRETTY BORDERLINE THING TO DO ANYWAY, RIGHT: ) Well I think it was self preservation too!
Hello Again Alexandra, I've been diagnosed once as having borderline traits, I wasn't told which ones, though a couple are pretty clear to me, I do have a problem with S.I, and emotional lability, I'm not hostile, I just go from okay to despair really quickly. I've just started therapy, I don't even know what kind it is, my pdoc was originally just for medication, but I recently told her my abuse history and now she said she would like to start psychotherapy with me.. so we shall see. I'd really like to know how your therapy goes.
Posted by ghost on December 11, 2004, at 21:28:52
In reply to How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 20:17:51
haha. you're funny. :)
i have a sneaking hunch i'm bpd, myself, but ive never been tested for anything at all. the one pdoc i saw was quick to dx me (bipolar) but never looked into anything else. he kind of sucked anyway. now that i'm seeing help again, maybe we'll figure things out for real.
good luck with the dbt stuff. i'm curious to know how it goes...
Posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 22:21:41
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » alexandra_k, posted by ghost on December 11, 2004, at 21:28:52
Of DBT. See the experiments they have done on its effectiveness only involved comparing the first year of DBT with treatment as usual. So after our year was up it was 'ta ta' to us and 'hello' to another group.
I got nothing.
Now if thats not supposed to encourage relapse I don't know what is...
Posted by justyourlaugh on December 11, 2004, at 22:45:34
In reply to Been there, done that, got chucked out..., posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 22:21:41
bpd was the last item on my pdoc dx records..
i insisted viewing them (paranoid) but knowing my right to see anything they write..
he said to me bpd was another way to note "si"
or "cutter"
i do not live my dx..
i am me ..
i am wonderful..
j
Posted by Cass on December 11, 2004, at 22:56:35
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » alexandra_k, posted by Gabbix2 on December 11, 2004, at 20:53:59
Can you guys tell me what DBT and SI are?
Posted by smokeymadison on December 11, 2004, at 22:57:34
In reply to How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 20:17:51
it really has been nice talking with you on several boards now. how fun.
anyway, i was diagnosed BPD by my psychiatrist i saw last time i was in the hospital. but my new psychologist thinks that i am bipolar. and i just read up on BPD and know that it is right for me. so my last session i went throught the criterion for her and explained why i am. it was rather fun, in a sadistic way.
i think that she is waiting to see how i act (we have only met once). this label can't be good for getting insurance in the future, you know? i think sometimes about how much money my insurance company has spent on me and i just think that they must hate me. but of course, that is a rather BPD thing to think, isn't it? Hahh
Posted by smokeymadison on December 11, 2004, at 22:59:08
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by Cass on December 11, 2004, at 22:56:35
Dialectical Behavioral Therapy and Self Injury, i believe.
Posted by Cass on December 11, 2004, at 23:03:20
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » Cass, posted by smokeymadison on December 11, 2004, at 22:59:08
Posted by justyourlaugh on December 11, 2004, at 23:36:52
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » Cass, posted by smokeymadison on December 11, 2004, at 22:59:08
smoke..
i think it is dreadful you have to worry about a silly dx..and insurance..
a dx is not you..
your insurance company has no right to know your dx either...
what happened to your rights?
anything perscribed to me and my family ..is not known to our insurance.just receipt is all they get...
j
Posted by smokeymadison on December 11, 2004, at 23:42:39
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » smokeymadison, posted by justyourlaugh on December 11, 2004, at 23:36:52
my insurance company requires a DSM code (diagnosis) on the claim before they will pay anything. i thought that all insurance companies were like that.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 23:57:52
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » justyourlaugh, posted by smokeymadison on December 11, 2004, at 23:42:39
The good thing is that people who meet criteria for BPD should also be able choose (at least one) off the following list:
dysthymia
depressive episode
major depressive episode
generalised anxiety
post traumatic stressI am sure that peoples can think of more...
That should keep us going with the insurance companies for a while hahaha.
Sorry. I am in a funny mood. Still, one does get sick of trying to JUSTIFY things all the time...
Posted by alexandra_k on December 12, 2004, at 0:14:26
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 23:57:52
substance abuse (take your pick of the substance)
and eating disorders.I do know what you mean though. maximum effort for minimal progress I read somewhere...
One of my therapists used to smile at me and say 'you aren't THAT bad'. Thats probably the nicest thing anybody has ever said to me. It hurts. Thats all. It hurts so d*mn*d much. All I need is a bit of support sometimes. I don't threaten. I don't say 'come get me or else'. I just need someone to validate me for a bit. But they can't even do that. They just say 'what do you expect us to do?' and I figure that validation isn't something that you can ask for it has to be freely given to be meaningful.. It hurts me that I can see that that is what I need - but I still need it anyway.
I am rambelling rather... I shall go and have another drink now (hic).
Posted by justyourlaugh on December 12, 2004, at 0:58:44
In reply to OOOOh and then theres, posted by alexandra_k on December 12, 2004, at 0:14:26
canadian difference
Posted by alexandra_k on December 12, 2004, at 3:46:05
In reply to smoke.., posted by justyourlaugh on December 12, 2004, at 0:58:44
Yeah, we don't do the health insurance thing here. There is just the public system unless you can afford to pay for private care. If you have been sexually abused you can get a subsidised number of sessions through ACC (who pays out for all that kind of stuff, and work related accidents to stop people sueing each other all the time).
But yeah, it is hard to get care once you have the BPD diagnosis. Nobody wants to touch you with a four foot pole.
Posted by alesta on December 12, 2004, at 7:44:08
In reply to How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 20:17:51
i used to have histrionic personality disorder, if that counts. it can be pretty similar to borderline..i did the self-mutilation thing (can't believe i just said that). i basically acted really seductive with everybody, needed a lot of attention, and spent a lot of time on superficial things like my appearance and trying to seduce people. i found it very enjoyable. that was pretty much all i cared about. sad.
now it's totally gone. i just worked through all my issues myself. (it probably stems from my abusive childhood.)
amy :)
Posted by GeishaGirl on December 12, 2004, at 12:19:23
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » alexandra_k, posted by alesta on December 12, 2004, at 7:44:08
I once got the labeled by a psychiatrist with "Personality Disorder, NOS" (NOS means "not otherwise specified"). I guess that I was so special at the time that he couldn't pick one type of personality disorder that completely described me...I like being special...humm...I can't remember right now how many different diagnoses I've had...I may count them all, and see if there's a catagory for this in the Guiness Book of World Records :)
Geisha Girl
> i used to have histrionic personality disorder, if that counts. it can be pretty similar to borderline..i did the self-mutilation thing (can't believe i just said that). i basically acted really seductive with everybody, needed a lot of attention, and spent a lot of time on superficial things like my appearance and trying to seduce people. i found it very enjoyable. that was pretty much all i cared about. sad.
>
> now it's totally gone. i just worked through all my issues myself. (it probably stems from my abusive childhood.)
>
> amy :)
Posted by smokeymadison on December 12, 2004, at 17:36:24
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by GeishaGirl on December 12, 2004, at 12:19:23
for all borderlines out there, how were your childhoods? i mean, i have been putting all my pictures in photo albums lately and in just about every one, i look pretty happy. there are only a few where i look sad or ready to cry. i looked like a pretty happy kid (who had terrible parents nevertheless) so what the hell happened?
Posted by alexandra_k on December 12, 2004, at 17:45:45
In reply to a question: childhoods?, posted by smokeymadison on December 12, 2004, at 17:36:24
> for all borderlines out there, how were your childhoods? i mean, i have been putting all my pictures in photo albums lately and in just about every one, i look pretty happy. there are only a few where i look sad or ready to cry. i looked like a pretty happy kid (who had terrible parents nevertheless) so what the hell happened?
Maybe you were good at putting on the happy face and ignoring your 'bad' emotions. My childhood was crap. Got put in a home eventually...
Posted by ghost on December 12, 2004, at 18:09:31
In reply to a question: childhoods?, posted by smokeymadison on December 12, 2004, at 17:36:24
my childhood wasn't horrible. i mean, it wasn't perfect, but i was never abused or called names or anything like that. things were great until i was 10 and my younger sister was born. then i was forced to grow up very fast (when i became introduced as the "built-in babysitter to the world rather than "our oldest" or something like that). i became more of a commodity rather than a member of the family. (sometimes i overexagerrate, I'm sure, but i've always felt this way.) so maybe my perception of things makes me borderline?
it's all complicated.
in short, i know i could've had it a lot worse. and i'm thankful i didn't. for that reason, i wouldn't say i had a "bad" childhood.
ghost
Posted by smokeymadison on December 12, 2004, at 19:12:45
In reply to Re: a question: childhoods?, posted by ghost on December 12, 2004, at 18:09:31
yeah, i had to grow up very fast too. my dad wlked out when i was 10 and my mom considered me an equal from then on. not even an equal, really, but someone to take care of her and all my siblings.
but i did so well up until my senior year in high school and then everything just fell apart. maybe i was holding everything in and then just broke down. but it has been almost 5 years now and i am still "broke". all i can think is that it is going to take some major personality reconstruction to "fix" me. and i am not sure how to go about doing that. i suppose i just need to get into therapy 2x a week. meds don't really seem to be something that is going to be a long term fix.
Posted by sdjeff on December 12, 2004, at 21:40:26
In reply to Re: a question: childhoods? » ghost, posted by smokeymadison on December 12, 2004, at 19:12:45
Hi,
I have BPD traits (SI, emotional lability, etc.) but my doc hasn't actually diagnosed me with BPD. For a while I thought he did, but apparantly my perception was off. I'm being treated for Major Depressive Disorder w/ psychotic features and Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Anyway, I digress.
My childhood was good at home. I have good parents and a stable family. Outside of home, especially at school, my life was a living hell from Kindergarten until High School. Even after that it was and continues to be a challenge.
Posted by justyourlaugh on December 12, 2004, at 21:42:23
In reply to Re: a question: childhoods? » ghost, posted by smokeymadison on December 12, 2004, at 19:12:45
i do not concider my childhood was bad...
i remember crying alot..
didnt speak much..
destroyed when i got negative response from mom...
j
Posted by alesta on December 13, 2004, at 5:19:26
In reply to How many Borderlines in the house???, posted by alexandra_k on December 11, 2004, at 20:17:51
now i'm starting to wonder if i was histrionic AND borderline. i had some borderline symptoms, but it could've been symptoms of the histrionic disorder. i do know that i used to be SO confused about who i was and didn't trust my perceptions about ANYTHING (my mother always told me i was wrong, my thoughts and my feelings). isn't that how borderline develops? your parent/s denies you the right to your sense of self, so you lose it? that's what happened to me anyway..caused tons of problems for me.)but i basically worked through my issues (and went in the military) and i was cured at 21. (military was a very bad idea for me, as i had OCD and BDD at the time. i think the sheer trauma of it cured me. going in the military was a very impulsive, nonsensical choice on my part. impulsive, bad choices are typical of borderlines, too, i think.)
sorry this was so long!
amy
Posted by Gabbix2 on December 13, 2004, at 23:56:27
In reply to Re: How many Borderlines in the house??? » alexandra_k, posted by alesta on December 13, 2004, at 5:19:26
I'm really unsure too, I was diagnosed with BPD traits about 10 years ago, upon my 2nd visit with my Pdoc, but by the fourth visit, he had taken it off my chart. (I have my records)
I do think I have some of the symptoms though, I've been diagnosed with P.T.S.D though and some newer schools of thought consider that BPD is a form of P.T.S.D. So, I guess I really don't know is what I'm saying. Why am I saying it? I don't really know that either.
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