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Posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 3:26:43
In reply to Re: Fetal position., posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 3:20:32
Have you ever shmooshed them when they purr right at a certain moment it makes you be able to play them like an accordian?
Posted by Tabitha on July 22, 2003, at 4:07:38
In reply to Playing cat like an accordian, posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 3:26:43
Or if you hit their kitty ribs just right with the mallets, you get a lovely tinkly sound. OK now I'm being silly.
Posted by fallsfall on July 22, 2003, at 6:08:24
In reply to Re: Playing cat like a xylophone » kara lynne, posted by Tabitha on July 22, 2003, at 4:07:38
My Teddy Bear always makes my thumb taste better. If you don't have a bear, it would be worth the money to go get one. Nice, new, soft, cute.
I was given a bear (named Bear) when I first broke down, by a dear friend. He has shared my bed for 8 years (and separated my husband and I when I wanted him to). My oldest daughter presented me with an illustrated story about Bear one Xmas. My youngest just had to have a twin (try finding a twin to a teddy bear - fortunately I found one), she named hers Teddy. Bear and Teddy have hats I made with their names on them. They both have glasses. Bear has "bear" slippers.
Teddy bears have advantages over cats and dogs (I love my 2 dogs). You don't have to feed them, and they don't lick in places you wish they wouldn't lick. They also are completely willing to cuddle anytime you want.
Bear says hi.
Posted by lostsailor on July 22, 2003, at 8:39:34
In reply to Re: Playing cat like a xylophone » kara lynne, posted by Tabitha on July 22, 2003, at 4:07:38
Posted by giget on July 22, 2003, at 8:50:42
In reply to err if you hit their kitty ribs just right !Aurora (nm), posted by lostsailor on July 22, 2003, at 8:39:34
You should always be kind to all animals... you never know if that will be you in another life....
If you don't like Kitties just stay away from them.,....
Animal Lover here!
Posted by whiterabbit on July 22, 2003, at 9:32:36
In reply to Fetal position., posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 1:13:19
You're hanging out with the wrong people. I don't know where you found this charmed circle of women, but I don't think they represent the average...what I mean is, you can't get the idea that most people have the kind of perfect life that you're missing out on. I don't know, maybe I see a lot more of it, being in the medical profession, you see a lot of ugly stuff - the things people do to themselves and each other, it's shocking.
My last psychiatrist kept insisting that I attend a dual diagnosis program at the hospital - dual diagnosis meaning depression and substance abuse.
After some classes we sat in a circle for group therapy and people just talked to each other...the whole thing lasted less than 3 hours.
Anyway, during the smoke break while we were standing outside, one of the women went to her car in the parking lot and filled her styrofoam coffee cup with some vodka from a thermos. She didn't make a secret of it, she told the rest of us very calmly, that's what she was doing and would anyone else like some.Now, there have been times in my life when I was a serious, very dedicated drinker (not right now, thank God, I'd never make it). I've never been so bad that I couldn't get through a 3-hour morning class (on alcohol abuse no less) without a shot of vodka. And my heart just ached for this woman...you wanted to reach out and touch her and take away the need for her to drink, if only you could.
See, those are the kind of people you need to hang with, if you're going to be comparing your life with theirs! I don't know why some people seem to be blessed with everything and then there's us...somewhere down the road the lives of those happy women may take a very bad turn. Not that you wish for it or that they deserve it, but
life is a great wheel always turning...Like I was telling yesac, when you reach out to others who need your compassion, the empty space in your life begins to fill up. That's why you see so many people who have suffered an unspeakable loss - parents of murdered children, mothers against drunk drivers - who form groups for mutual support and political action. If you feel that children would fill your empty space, there are children out there who need you. Adoption is a huge step that needs careful planning and consideration, I wouldn't START with such an enormous act, but you can start by, say, volunteering for the Special Olympics, getting involved with underprivilaged kids, helping out with the children at a shelter for battered women, helping a mother who has a child with cerebral palsy or other special needs...there are so many things you could do to give hands-on help to someone and make their life better.
And when you help people in this way, I find that God opens a window for you.
Myself, I was presented with a challenge of sorts in this vein...I used to paint murals, great big colorful wall murals for children, although I haven't done this for some time. I live in the city where there are quite a few centers for children, daycare and YMCAs, that kind of thing...they're clean but very stark, more institutional-looking than cheerful, and they don't have the funding for professional decorating or artists. My Dad told me that if I ever cared to volunteer my time, to paint murals for these places, he would buy all the paints and supplies I wanted...see, he knows too, it would be as good for me as it would be for the kids.
Well sweetie, you don't know it but you're needed out there in the world, they're waiting for you.
-Gracie
Posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:00:04
In reply to Re: Teddy Bears, posted by fallsfall on July 22, 2003, at 6:08:24
So you don't think I'm in grave psycho danger for sucking my thumb last night?
I just need a good teddy.
Thank you fallsfall.
Hi bear-y.
Posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:03:27
In reply to Be NICE to the Kitties.... , posted by giget on July 22, 2003, at 8:50:42
Hi giget,
In case there was the *slightest* doubt, I am a passionate animal lover, and I don't want to speak for Tony or Tabby, but I know we all love our cats.By shmoosh, I meant the gentlest of pressing on the exhaled purr to elicit accordian effect.
=^..^=
Posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2003, at 13:16:16
In reply to Re: Be NICE to the Kitties....giget , posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:03:27
Oh Tabby said she was just teasing of course!
She'd never hurt an animal.
Besides with all that fur you could never get a decent tinkly sound. And that was Aurora Tony's cat admonishing us Saying "Err Tinkling effect?"
Not tony speaking.I've gotten the reverse "accordian effect"
which cracks me up, when I've picked up my cat mid meow, and it sort of prolongs it, its funny.
Posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:31:47
In reply to (((Kara Lynne))), posted by whiterabbit on July 22, 2003, at 9:32:36
Hi Gracie,
My counselor was just speaking of a similar thing; that once you start using your gifts (or volunteering, like you say) windows begin to open. I am scared sh**less to start looking for a real job, although that would probably be a good start. Maybe I'll take Miller up on her suggestion because I'm just lost about organizing a resume'. It's hard when you don't feel compelled to do anything, but ' do the action and the feelings follow'---yadda yadda I know it's true, but I'm still stuck in quicksand.The thing about last night's class-- it's a meditation class that I've been going to on and off for 10 years with essentially the same group of people. Although they have had their moments, I think I can safely say none have ever hit the skids in the way we know it. The teacher insists we all have the same struggles as women, but I have always felt alienated in this way. And I now think it is a very real way.
I have been to 12 step groups in the past-- I went to an AA meeting 2 weeks ago because I was so desperately lonely (and drinking's not even my thing). I couldn't connect at that particular meeting, although I'm not saying I couldn't try another venue. I think I would feel much better if I were among people from my planet.
Last night's meditation was about where you put the focus in your life--how if you put the focus on what is right you will attract more of it, rather than on everything you are lacking--which will attract more lack. I'm not saying it well because I don't fully understand it. I could never do the affirmation bunny thing-- it's very difficult for me to focus on what is working in my life right now without feeling like a complete liar.
I think you're right though, I am hanging out with the wrong people. Are you a nurse?
thank you gracie.
Posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:59:56
In reply to Re: Be NICE to the Kitties....giget » kara lynne, posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2003, at 13:16:16
There you are!
I know exactly what you mean about the reverse accordian and prolonged purr.
I wish I could bottle those sounds.
Posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2003, at 14:23:58
In reply to Re: Be NICE to the Kitties....gabbi, posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:59:56
Or its really funny when they're meowing and you pick them up and it ends in a squeak.
I always wonder if purring takes energy on their part or if it just happens. Like if they're sleeping and you pet them do they think "Oh I'm too tired I'm not going to bother.. oh that feels nice, oh okay.. purrrrrrr"
Apparently only domestic cats purr, and they only purr around their mothers and their owners.
Posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 15:17:18
In reply to Re: Be NICE to the Kitties....gabbi, posted by gabbix2 on July 22, 2003, at 14:23:58
" you pick them up and it ends in a squeak."
!!!!!Those exquisite little squeaks (remember the ear biting...giget's gonna go nuts!).
I hate to say it, but that's one thing my ex did well--meowed. He could get those inflections down perfectly. That was our best communication--meowing.
Posted by fallsfall on July 22, 2003, at 16:26:10
In reply to Hi Bear, posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:00:04
Posted by whiterabbit on July 22, 2003, at 19:27:36
In reply to gracie service, posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 13:31:47
What the hell is that? I don't like the sound of it. Anyway, WHY are you subjecting yourself to these people? I don't even watch beauty pageants on TV because I don't need the pressure. Go hang with some real people, girl. Like us! Except we're all hiding...
I know how you feel though. I used to work at a Shriners Hospital that was located right next door to a very exclusive girl's school, and I usually got off just about the time that school let out. So here I am sitting in a 12-year-old Mustang while all these young girls, barely old enough to drive, are whizzing by me in brand-new convertible sports-cars that Daddy bought them for Christmas...it was irritating. On the other hand, working at Shriners you see all these children with devestating deformaties and bone diseases you never even heard of...osteogenesis imperfecta, or "brittle bone disease" - these children have such fragile bones, they can never walk because their legs can't support their weight. They usually die before adulthood because as they grow, the vertebrae in their spine starts to collapse, which squeezes their lung space smaller and smaller. And during their short, painful lives, they endure numerous fractures of all their bones from simply being lifted or turned...they can even break ribs from sneezing. They've been called "Children of Glass" - working with these children and their mothers (unfortunately, the fathers of such children usually freak out and disappear) is a humbling experience. Lots of stories in that hospital...I remember one young mother, prehaps not out of her teens, had a daughter who was born without arms.
The little girl was about 3 years old, and she would sit in the waiting room on the floor drawing pictures with her feet, using shaving cream on a mirror. I was in awe of this wonderful young mother, she was quite an inspiration.So after a day in this hospital, I couldn't feel quite so bad about the privilaged girls in the school next door. There's quite a contrast in the cards that we're all dealt, and we can't know the reason why. I don't know why it works that way but it does.
Oh, to answer you're question, I'm an x-ray technician. I've worked in just about every diagnostic x-ray job there is...hospitals, clinics, doctors' offices, MASH unit, even a mobile x-ray service for nursing homes and the occasional body at a small-county morgue.
Well, my STBX is outside messing with my car, better go make sure he's not sawing through the brake lines or anything.
-Gracie
Posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 21:01:32
In reply to Affirmation bunny thing? » kara lynne, posted by whiterabbit on July 22, 2003, at 19:27:36
I have no idea why I said affirmation bunny. You know this new-age-y idea of affirming: "I am glorious, my life is wonderful, I have a brand new convertible sports car that daddy bought me for Christmas"...that kind of thing. That's what I meant by being an affirmation bunny, but it didn't make sense unless you think of the energizer bunny doing affirmations--maybe that's what I was thinking of.
I don't know what I'm thinking of anymore. I spent the whole day in fear and a kind of de-realization which was very disturbing. I kept saying to myself, I am sad, not scared, because the fear scares me (gee what a surprise...) and sometimes if I can get to the emotion behind it the fear breaks.
But it hasn't today.
Posted by giget on July 23, 2003, at 10:26:58
In reply to Re: Be NICE to the Kitties....gabbi, posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 15:17:18
I will not go crazy.... I get a little, well alot, defencefull if someone is really hurting an animal... And I KNOW that NOone here would do that....
I can meow just like a cat.... exactly!
> " you pick them up and it ends in a squeak."
> !!!!!
>
> Those exquisite little squeaks (remember the ear biting...giget's gonna go nuts!).
>
> I hate to say it, but that's one thing my ex did well--meowed. He could get those inflections down perfectly. That was our best communication--meowing.
Posted by gabbix2 on July 23, 2003, at 11:08:01
In reply to Re: Be NICE to the Kitties....gabbi » kara lynne, posted by giget on July 23, 2003, at 10:26:58
I can't stand the thought of animals being hurt either, any animal, thats why I'm a vegetarian,
I understand completely Giget! I always thought if I had the money I'd like to have a ranch where I could just adopt abused animals.
Posted by kara lynne on July 26, 2003, at 14:06:50
In reply to Re: Be NICE to the Kitties....gabbi, posted by gabbix2 on July 23, 2003, at 11:08:01
I talked to the woman who runs the class-she agreed that the women were rude, but insisted they were 'wounding from their own wounds'; that they feel like they have to blow things up in order to matter, yadda yadda...
At least she validated what went on. She said she felt helpless to do much about it. I said it was really alienating for them to be talking about this amazing event that the rest of us were not invited to, not to mention that everyone in the room was also either married or pregnant--or invited to this magical wedding.
I have the option of going to another class at a different time, which didn't seem quite fair because I've been going to this class for 10 years. But she said the fairness comes in how I respond in those situations...how I take care of myself.
It's certainly not worth another Monday night fetal position.
Posted by trucker on July 26, 2003, at 21:40:46
In reply to Re: Fetal position., posted by kara lynne on July 22, 2003, at 3:20:32
> Not as thin as much as beautiful--ms.honeymooner was even a little zaftig, but utterly sensuous--amazonian. An artist, dance teacher and make-up artist to the stars.
>
> The other was more of a manufactured looking Norweigian model, and not as thin as she was pregnant. She also does some kind of PR work for the stars, but I don't know what.
>
> So they work, you can't hate them for doing nothing. They're not depressed though, and you can hate them for that. My teacher let it out to me though that the sultry amazonian newlywed, though very industrious, has never supported herself. Rich parents. And now her richer husband who just flew over here to live with her from England, will take over. You can't tell me beauty doesn't get a few party favors. Although she has had some duds before him, but she just went on with her life and her creativity---which she loved. Of course.
>
> Well if I had a life and my creativity, I wouldn't have been in fetal postion for hours upon my ugly apartment carpet. With thumb in mouth./////////////////////////////////////////////////thumb in mouth? is this becuase no child? i was unable to get pregnant for years. i finally gave up at age 35.... low and behold i became pregnant. of course it was just a cruel joke for me, they say i was term but the baby was the size of a 7 month pregnancy, any way i went in to labor and by the time i got to the hospital no heartbeat. so dead baby, empty arms, and complete devistation are the end result. if i wasn't so old and had the money to adopt i would so my arms weren't empty any more. they are a horrible thing to waist. i don't care what color, or sex they are, i love kids.
trucker
Posted by fallsfall on July 26, 2003, at 23:07:20
In reply to Re: Fetal position. » kara lynne, posted by trucker on July 26, 2003, at 21:40:46
Oh, my God, Trucker. I am so sorry. That must have been devastating.
Posted by kara lynne on July 26, 2003, at 23:14:13
In reply to Re: Fetal position. » kara lynne, posted by trucker on July 26, 2003, at 21:40:46
It was because of so many things; kids being a very important one.
What a horribly painful experience for you to have lived through, I'm so sorry. I'm a little afraid to ask you how old you are, because what you think is too old might be younger than me.
And I haven't given up yet.
Posted by trucker on July 27, 2003, at 1:12:52
In reply to Re: Fetal position. » trucker, posted by fallsfall on July 26, 2003, at 23:07:20
> Oh, my God, Trucker. I am so sorry. That must have been devastating.
/////////////////////////////////////////////////
after such an experience there is a new you that emerges. don't deprive yourself of the love of a child, adopt if you can. its been alittle over four years and it still hurts, my heart is heavy. arms are empty, i hate to hear about aborters or mothers who drown there babies. the first two and a half years i know occured but they are a blur... i only remember greiving. see i got off the road and had great expectaions for our future, only to be robbed. now i think of it always, ya know the future that almost was. my only child and now i am 40 and extremly over weight due to depression, not a good way to try to conceive.
i look at it this way some days...LIFE WHAT A DIRTY FOUR LETTER WORD. THATS WHAT THEY SAY WHEN IT OCCURS, AND NO REASON CAN BE FOUND. SOMETIMES ITS JUST "LIFE"
TRUCKER
THIS FETAL POSITION YOU SPEAK OF, I KNOW TOO WELL, THATS THE WAY I CRIED OVER MY LOSS, NO THUMB HOWEVER... 2 1/2 YEARS
Posted by trucker on July 27, 2003, at 1:20:43
In reply to Re: Fetal position./ trucker, posted by kara lynne on July 26, 2003, at 23:14:13
> It was because of so many things; kids being a very important one.
>
> What a horribly painful experience for you to have lived through, I'm so sorry. I'm a little afraid to ask you how old you are, because what you think is too old might be younger than me.
>
> And I haven't given up yet.///////////////////////////////////////////////// I TURNED FORTY IN MARCH yes i know people still have babies in their mid fortys like the nurse that held my hand while i deliverd my dead son. she gave up and adopted two children 10 years ago. she just turned 45 and figured she was safe and she is 20 weeks pregnant. and she says she doesn't want it. i told her to look me up if she was serious. i think it is still shock that has her sayin this. she said i was the first one she thought of in that department. i know she probably doesn't mean it which will hurt in the end but it is a nice thought to think that she could care so much for me, after watching me go thru what i did. tears are rolling right now so i better go... it takes so much out of me
trucker
Posted by kara lynne on July 27, 2003, at 1:40:45
In reply to Re: Fetal position./ trucker » kara lynne, posted by trucker on July 27, 2003, at 1:20:43
Hi trucker,
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sorry this woman is so conflicted, but how beautiful that she thought of you to be the mother of her child--whether you decide to go through with it or not.See, maybe we just can't see the bigger picture here...
But if you can keep getting out of bed in the mornings then so can I --even if I do wind up in the fetal position come nighttime :(
((((trucker))))
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