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Posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 10:36:01
Tina:
I just went back and read your thread that you started in 2000. Are you still trying to lose weight, or are you happy where you are? Did that support group ever work out?
If you are still struggling, I have some tips to share, having just lost about 15 pounds. I've been at Weight Watchers since January, and it's hard to lose weight when you're on meds--any meds, really. (Serzone is not supposed to cause weight trouble, but it makes me very hungry.) I was not having much luck until the last month, when I made some diet changes.
Anyway, I don't really post a lot here anymore, and I don't want to go on about the weight thing if it's no longer an issue for you, so please let me know. I think sharing tips AND having support is what makes weight loss easier and more successful. That's why Weight Watchers works so well.
beardy
Posted by Roo on August 13, 2002, at 13:27:48
In reply to Weight Loss Support Group: TINA, posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 10:36:01
I'm interested....
Did you go off meds in order to lose weight?
When I went off lamictal it was amazing how much easier
it was to lose weight....the pounds just came off...
Posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 14:03:25
In reply to Re: Weight Loss Support Group: Beardy, posted by Roo on August 13, 2002, at 13:27:48
Roo:
Very few of us have the luxury of going off meds to lose weight. A lot of times that's what caused the weight gain in the first place, but it's also allowing us to feel better. Still, there doesn't have to be a trade. If you like your meds, then you can lose weight with them, but you often have to do something drastic to kick start the weight loss.
What most people don't want to hear is that they must really make a commitment to exercise, especially if they are taking something that slows their metabolism or makes them hungry. Weight lifting (we're talking small hand weights here) is also important, but I haven't started yet.
On Weight Watchers, it took me 18 weeks to lose 8 pounds--kept losing and gaining the same two pounds. So I did something drastic (I mean hard, not dangerous), and I lost 8 more pounds in 5 weeks.
Ready?
I bumped my exercise from 25 minutes every day to 50 minutes every day. AND...
I stopped eating bread.
That's it. No bread. No crackers or pasta, no cereal. I eat potatoes, corn, legumes, beans, rice, and tons of fruits, veggies, and lean protein (mostly boca burgers, fish, shellfish, chicken, some steak). Just no bread. I melt 2% cheese on boca burgers and eat them with a fork. (Generally, I eat two bocas and a 97% fat free hot dog for lunch! And then I have four more ounces of protein for dinner.) I mix tuna with low-fat mayo and eat a whole can plus a hot dog. I eat tons of fruit, salad, cooked veggies with Land o' Lakes Light Butter (1 T). I have carbs for breakfast and protein for lunch, both for dinner.
You have to experiment with what works for you, but I think bread was keeping me fat. In fact, I'm certain. I was eating diet bread--about two hot dog or hamburger rolls and two to four slices of bread every day. In WW points, it's only four points (I'm allowed 18-23 for the day). But it has made a HUGE difference.
The carbs you get from fruits and veggies are PLENTY, and they are natural, unprocessed carbs that don't spike your blood sugar like bread does.
Anyway, that's my tip. I am not an advocate for high protein, high fat diets. I think the Zone plan is really smart, but it's hard. This is just my own no-bread diet.
For everyone having trouble losing weight, no matter what diet she's on, I'd recommend stopping bread for one week. I have great energy and feel really good, and I'm finding that I don't miss bread at all. (And I'm not a lunatic. If I have a slice of bread or some pasta once in a while, it's no big deal.)
Hope that helps.
beardy
Posted by tina on August 13, 2002, at 14:06:33
In reply to Weight Loss Support Group: TINA, posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 10:36:01
actually beardy, I'm not on meds right now and my weight isn't really an issue. I just need to tone up a bit now but thanks for the offer.
take care
tina
Posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 14:15:50
In reply to Re: Weight Loss Support Group: TINA » BeardedLady, posted by tina on August 13, 2002, at 14:06:33
Posted by .tabitha. on August 13, 2002, at 14:30:38
In reply to Re: Weight Loss Support Group--sorry, long » Roo, posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 14:03:25
Hi there Beardedlady,
It's interesting how you were able to zone in on the culprit (bread). I've been putting on weight lately, and have a feeling I need to eliminate soda. That's worked for me in the past. I'm trying to substitute iced ginseng tea, and ignore that free soda machine at my office.
Tabitha
Posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 16:14:47
In reply to Re: Weight Loss Support Group--sorry, long » BeardedLady, posted by .tabitha. on August 13, 2002, at 14:30:38
If your soda has sugar, it's probably the culprit. Even diet soda does something, I think. For one thing, it keeps the body craving sweets all the time. I completely cut out soda back when I was diagnosed with reflux. I've been fine ever since.
Think about it: what's in soda, besides water, that's good for you? It's all chemicals! (And if it can take rust off a screw, imagine what it does to your insides!)
Good luck.
beardy
Posted by Dinah on August 13, 2002, at 17:35:17
In reply to Soda » .tabitha., posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 16:14:47
If I cut bread out of my diet, I would be facing a divorce. I get unbelievably crabby without my complex carbohydrates. Husband has flat out told me he prefers me chubby and reasonably (just reasonably, mind you) pleasant to have around. I definitely use food for mood control.
Soda I could live without if I could find an alternate source of caffeine. I don't care for tea and coffee.
Posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 17:53:23
In reply to No bread??!!!, posted by Dinah on August 13, 2002, at 17:35:17
> If I cut bread out of my diet, I would be facing a divorce. I get unbelievably crabby without my complex carbohydrates.
Beans, legumes, rice, and starchy vegetables are complex carbohydrates, too.
>Husband has flat out told me he prefers me chubby....
If that's what YOU prefer too, then I guess there's no problem.
Posted by Gabbi on August 13, 2002, at 18:39:23
In reply to Re: No bread??!!! » Dinah, posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 17:53:23
I second that.. cutting out bread and crackers made a significant difference in my weight, I was already excercising regularly and was really frustrated. The more complex carbohydrates still make me retain water, but excercise helps with that too.
And (I'm not being facetious) Thanks for the aside about soda taking rust off a screw. I'd heard the oft repeated myth that it will dissolve a nail overnight, which I tested and found to be false. So today, I tried the rust theory and yes indeed it does take the rust off. That must be where the first myth originated. ( I also have a little too much time on my hands...:)
Posted by Dinah on August 13, 2002, at 19:42:37
In reply to Re: No bread??!!! » Dinah, posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 17:53:23
> If that's what YOU prefer too, then I guess there's no problem.
>Well, of course I don't like being fat. But if I had to choose between being fat or no longer eating bread, I'd choose fat I'm afraid. Probably not a wise choice, considering my family history of diabetes. But fresh bread dripping with butter is one of the things that makes life worthwhile. Mmmm. I'm getting hungry.
Posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 20:19:27
In reply to Re: No bread??!!! » BeardedLady, posted by Gabbi on August 13, 2002, at 18:39:23
>Thanks for the aside about soda taking rust off a screw. I'd heard the oft repeated myth that it will dissolve a nail overnight, which I tested and found to be false. So today, I tried the rust theory and yes indeed it does take the rust off. That must be where the first myth originated. ( I also have a little too much time on my hands...:)
Never heard about the nail, but I took some antique lawn chairs apart a few years ago to paint them, and I couldn't get the screws off the metal chairs; they'd rusted together. I remembered an old pass-around (before e-mail) about Diet Coke, and I leaned the chair in a dish of soda. In about fifteen minutes, it had loosened enough to take apart. I soaked the screws in it, and the rust was gone in a few minutes.
It also cleans my toilet pretty well.
beardy
Posted by terra miller on August 13, 2002, at 20:21:55
In reply to Weight Loss Support Group: TINA, posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 10:36:01
hi all.
i think dumping white flour bread is a terrific idea. i think probably the issue is also the food-combining thing. the worst thing you can do for your stomach is eat a burger with the bun on it. but you eat a burger (veggie or otherwise) without the bun (use a fork or wrap it in a lettuce leaf) and you'll feel energized.
same story for rice.
when i eat carbs, it's oatmeal or grapenuts. the thought of eating white bread makes me ill because i feel so good without it.
i love whole wheat bread, but i admit that even if i ate it plain with nothing on it and with nothing else but water that i'd feel lousy. bagels are mostly ok for me.
you can also use wellbutrin. that'll do the trick. :-)
adding my 2cents,
terra
Posted by Gabbi on August 13, 2002, at 21:09:26
In reply to it's not so much the bread as.... » BeardedLady, posted by terra miller on August 13, 2002, at 20:21:55
This is probably a given, but If something is a real sacrifice to give up, I think you have to make sure what your priorities are.
I think people who are comfortable with themselves and really enjoy their food are really sensual. And I think its different from someone who is a compulsive eater, which is more like an addiction. Giving up bread, was easy for me and worked for weight loss but if it had become a real sacrifice I wouldn't have done it.
(good point about the white flour) the all rye flour or spelt flour which I think is more delicious than any other) didn't have the same fat effect as the white or whole wheat flour.Thats my 1.00 I can never stop at 2cents. I do try though. Gabbi
Posted by Gabbi on August 13, 2002, at 21:15:43
In reply to cokescrews » Gabbi, posted by BeardedLady on August 13, 2002, at 20:19:27
Posted by .tabitha. on August 14, 2002, at 2:02:55
In reply to Re: it's not so much the bread as...., posted by Gabbi on August 13, 2002, at 21:09:26
I agree, some people manage to seem attractive despite a little (or a lot) of fat. Maybe that's not quite what you meant, but I'm going off on a fat acceptance tangent here anyway.
I've pretty much been a lifetime dieter, as was my mom. I used to hate how she wouldn't ever even indulge in a single peice of candy. In my 20s I thought I had found the answer-- I could eat what I wanted if I exercised excessively. I lost tons of weight, and didn't realize how anorexic I looked. Nowadays they call that exercise bulimia. I've also gone on various unbalanced deprivation diets (no sugar, no carbs, vegan, no dairy/soy/corn/wheat/sugar). It's either that, or else I just give up and eat whatever I want (lots of sugar and junk food). Just can't seem to find that middle ground.
A few years back, after attending a weeklong festival where there was a lot of nudity, I realized that people of normal weight looked fine. My whole history of fat-hate just seemed wrong. I vowed to never diet again. I tried, but as the pounds crept on, I just couldn't hack it. My extra weight all goes in the middle, destroying what little figure I have to begin with. My face gets jowly looking. I feel sexless and middle-aged. I get depressed. I just can't accept much fat, on me anyway.
Posted by BeardedLady on August 14, 2002, at 7:17:40
In reply to it's not so much the bread as.... » BeardedLady, posted by terra miller on August 13, 2002, at 20:21:55
I never ate white flour bread to begin with--only good whole grains. And I don't believe in food combining, eschewing this while chewing that, though I do believe in the 30-20-10 zone diet. It seems to me to be the most sound nutritional advice out there. A good balance of carbs, protein, and fat at every meal is what keeps me energized.
But as I said before, it's whatever works for you.
beardy
Posted by Gabbi on August 14, 2002, at 15:18:07
In reply to Re: fat acceptance » Gabbi, posted by .tabitha. on August 14, 2002, at 2:02:55
I hear you, I see lots of women I think are really beautiful with wrinkles, and yet when mine start to crop up, I don't think I'll be able to see myself as one of them. Same with the flab,
Hey maybe there's a pill for that?Gabbi.
Posted by Medusa on August 15, 2002, at 23:24:19
In reply to Re: fat acceptance » .tabitha., posted by Gabbi on August 14, 2002, at 15:18:07
Fat acceptance for one's own body takes a huge amount of regular work over quite a length of time. Mirror work, for example - spending time getting to recognize one's own body and accept that that's the way it really looks, so you don't get shocked by reflections in windows or unexpected mirrors. And eating naked, and being loving to the body parts you've called "problems" for so long.
The problem is, once the acceptance is really in place ... your body changes. Weight falls off. And you have to do the acceptance work all over again, and not give affirmation for being smaller, or that negates the fat acceptance work done, and you get fat again.
It's like swimming - so many aspects to coordinate. I don't have it all straight yet. I'm absolutely not comfortable being as low a weight as my body drifts to naturally. Somebody got an Rx for that?
Posted by .tabitha. on August 16, 2002, at 0:38:20
In reply to fat acceptance takes a lot of hard work, and then , posted by Medusa on August 15, 2002, at 23:24:19
Hmm, very interesting things you said there. (I was going to say food for thought but that would just be a bad pun.) Self-acceptance is a big challenge for me. I'm convinced any progress would open up all kinds of possibilities.
Naked mirror eating? Hmmm. Now that would be a challenge.
Posted by Medusa on August 16, 2002, at 6:38:32
In reply to Re: fat acceptance takes a lot of hard work, and then » Medusa, posted by .tabitha. on August 16, 2002, at 0:38:20
> Naked mirror eating? Hmmm. Now that would be a challenge.
Well, I wouldn't start in front of a mirror! unless you're really brave.Reading and doing the exercises in _When Women Stop Hating Their Bodies_ (By Munter and someone - Hirschmann?) helped me a lot.
But I can't figure out what exercises to do for less-fat acceptance. Maybe I'd rather be called "fat b_" than "skinny b_". I dunno.
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