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Posted by Rzip on October 26, 2000, at 10:44:52
In reply to Re: Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Cindy W on October 26, 2000, at 9:25:59
> Rainwoman,
I want to help you by asking you to please call your pdoc NOW.
Posted by Rzip on October 26, 2000, at 11:37:51
In reply to Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Rainwoman on October 26, 2000, at 9:06:33
>Rainwoman,
I understand that it will take courage and determination to call your pdoc now, but I have confidence in you.
- Rzip
Posted by shar on October 26, 2000, at 12:34:30
In reply to Courage, posted by Rzip on October 26, 2000, at 11:37:51
Rain,
You are not alone in your pain. You have come to the right place. I am glad that the sight of blood makes you faint so you can't hurt yourself in that way.I (and many people here) know how it is to feel dead inside, and completely hopeless that it will ever get any better. I know how it is to desperately want to die, to pray and wish for it every day. And, how little impact a therapist can have in some of these kinds of situations.
I also know that if you can hang in there for another hour, then another, etc. you have a very good chance of feeling better eventually. I strongly encourage you to wait, an hour, a morning, an afternoon, a night. Hold on. If you leave by your own hand (either cutting or wasting away) you have left your destiny undone. You have left us here saddened at the loss of you, because we all want you to live.
And, I HATE THIS PAIN THAT GRIPS YOU AND ME AND OTHERS. I'm angry at the pain that overwhelms you, that doesn't leave room for you to know your gifts, that doesn't love you, that doesn't give you a chance to take a breath.
If we were there we could hold you, but since we are not, I offer the following, written to another who was in profound pain similar to yours on this board:
In reply to my heavy heart, June 16, 2000, at 21:39:28
Most of the people who write here have been exactly where you are, I know I have. The thing is, we have all survived and you will too.
This is going to sound stupid, but it worked for me when I was very close to suicide:It's called visualization. You wrote that you need to be held and comforted by someone who loves you, so as often as you can, take a quiet moment and imagine the person who loves you best in the whole world. It can be anyone, from any time, it can even be a made up person(I made up a person who I wished that I could become in the future, myself as a wise, warm, wonderful, woman who loves me totally and unconditionally). If you want you can use God or Jesus or whoever in the visualization.
After you know who this, unconditionally loving, person is, imagine yourself as a small child, like 4 or 5. Now, as hard as you can, imagine the feeling of being held and loved and comforted by this person who loves you no matter what has happened in your life. Imagine how it feels to be wrapped in warm arms, a gentle hand stroking your hair, a soft voice, comforting words-"It's all right, I'm here for you, I love you, you were born for me to love, you are a precious gift of life, and I will be here for you now and for always."
I know this sounds nutty, and at first you may not get any comfort from it, but I swear, the more you do the visualization, the more real it will become. And, when it begins to feel real, you will be comforted. And, if you just can't do it, remember one thing: The whole time I was writing it, I was there. I was that person, I held you, and comforted you, and loved you with all my heart. You truly are a precious gift of life. CarolAnn
============================Rain, stay with us. Another site you may want to visit is www.metanoia.com (or it could be .org). It is about suicide, and I have gotten some good information there when I've felt like I couldn't go on another minute.
We are here for you. I will hold you in my thoughts and close to my heart. Write us soon.
Shar
Posted by Cass on October 26, 2000, at 15:39:32
In reply to Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Rainwoman on October 26, 2000, at 9:06:33
You said that everything good in you had died, but it hasn't. Qualities such as honesty, humility, and vulnerability are good qualities, and you have those. The trend in our society seems to be egomania. If all your good qualities were gone, I don't think you would be capable of honest, sensitive self-reflection. Remember and appreciate the good in yourself.
Also, I'm not a doctor, but it sounds like you've developed Anorexia. It gives you a sense of control over your life, but wrecks your health. You're not doing yourself any favors there. Most likely, you will survive all of this depression, so you might as well take care of your physical health. You don't want to have health problems later on when, perhaps, the depression has diminished.
Take care of yourself. You are going to survive. Best wishes.
Posted by laural on October 26, 2000, at 16:22:00
In reply to Re: Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Cass on October 26, 2000, at 15:39:32
i've been there, wanting to fade away by not eating or at least trying for very long periods of time in a passive attempt at an ending. i have felt EXACTLY like you desribe. my anorexia didn't go away for a long time because i kept it under control living with the parents and then gained many pounds off to college and then when i got sick it came back to the control issue, my life was spinning so fast and it somehow felt spiritual to be able to exist without depending on food. wow was i wrong! my immune system went to shit for lack of nutrition among other very horrible things and reading up on aesceticism i realized that what was the point of the existance of flowers if we weren't supposed to enjoy them? even buddha followed the middle path in the end. i can't say i'm always successful, but i really try, as i am diagnosed schizo-affective bipolar. it doesn't make you strong or tough to starve yourself to death and it doesn't mean youre strong and tough if you can cut yourself. the strong part is making that totally nonlogical leap of faith and knowing that one day you will be comfortable and at peace and ALIVE, not just surviving. my thoughts are with you. laural
Posted by Rzip on October 26, 2000, at 16:44:01
In reply to Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Rainwoman on October 26, 2000, at 9:06:33
Ever since reading your post this morning, I have been thinking of you a great deal.
I am extremely proud of you for posting. I know it was a bit scary to submit the posting. Your courageous act is to be acknowledged. In return, you will find the warmth, the caring, and the outreaching connection you have hoped for. However, at a critical time like this, I also strongly urge you to take one more courageous step outward. I firmly believe that it would be in your best interest at this moment to first, contact your pdoc; and second, go to the nearest Emergency Room.
With your best interest at heart, I ask you to seek professional help right now.
Posted by shellie on October 26, 2000, at 20:18:40
In reply to Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Rainwoman on October 26, 2000, at 9:06:33
> I do have a psychiatrist and therapist, however my therapy is on hold right now until we find an antidepressant that works. I guess my therapist feels I can't handle working through my childhood in the state I am in now.
>Rainwoman, please keep writing. Therapy should not be on hold until the right antidepressant is found. This may not be the time to be working through your childhood, but it certainly is a time where you need support and unconditional acceptance. You need your therapist now; if he/she disagrees then I think you should be looking for a new therapist. You need to start to eat, or as laural said, you'll mess up your immune system, perhaps permanently. At least try to keep up fluids. In your mind I know this is making sense, but I think you are too depressed to know what really makes sense. That is another reason you need to see a therapist. shellie
Posted by pullmarine on October 26, 2000, at 21:00:38
In reply to Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Rainwoman on October 26, 2000, at 9:06:33
Hi rainwoman,
I relate very strongly with every word that you wrote. It made me think of a song (the final cut* by pink floyd, and candy says by the velvet underground). Very frankly, I wish I could end my pain as well. I also find myself trying to find p[ainless ways to go. I also feel that the things that were best in me died a long time ago. Lately, I've been planning to get my hands on 'beyond final exit', and I will probably place the order for the book tomorrow. >
you also wrote:
I hate myself for not having the courage.
>I relate to that as well.so I decided to 'Fine, you can't take your own life, then you don't get anything to sustain it either. So, I stopped eating. I feel like everything that was ever good inside of me is dead anyway. It really isn't that hard to do. In a crazy way it feels kind of good. Watching myself disappear feels good.
>This, I truly understand as well. I also tried to starve myself a couple of years ago.I guess there is some part of me that wants to tell someone, but a bigger part of me doesn't so nobody can stop me. You know, I have no idea why I am writing this. I'll post it anyway.
> This is common. Even though our brain tells us we'd be better off dead, there are billions of cells in our bodies that would like to stay alive, and more oft than not, one gives out a warning signal, whether one wants to or not. Personnally, I've decided that when I choose that my time has come. No one will know about it.All I can say is, I hope find peace in anyway that is best for you, and quite truly, I wish the same for myself.
I send you all my love, and I wish you courage and strength in this difficule period. >
JOHN.
*The Final Cut
Through the fish-eyed lens of tear stained eyes
I can barely define the shape of this moment in timeAnd far from flying high in clear blue skies
I'm spiralling down
to the hole in the ground where I hideIf you negotiate the minefield in the drive
And beat the dogs
and cheat the cold electronic eyes
and if you make it past the shotgun in the hall
Open the priest hole,
and if i'm in i'll tell you,
what's behind the wallAnd If I open my heart to you.
will you still hold me tonight?
And if I show you my dark side
what would you do?
Would you sell your story to Rolling Stone?
Would you take the children away
and leave me alone?
Would you smile in reassurance
as you whisper down the phone?
Would you send me packing?
Or would you take me home?Thought I ought to bare my naked feelings,
thought I ought to tear the curtain down,
I held the blade in trembling hands
prepared to make it but,
just then tyhe phone rang,
I never had the nerve to make the final cut.
Posted by Cass on October 27, 2000, at 0:45:27
In reply to Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Rainwoman on October 26, 2000, at 9:06:33
> Hi All--
>
> I have no idea if I am posting this in the wrong place or not.P.S. It was the right place to post it.
Posted by Rainwoman on October 27, 2000, at 13:02:17
In reply to Re: Punishment for lack of courage.... » Rainwoman, posted by Cass on October 27, 2000, at 0:45:27
Ha! Not when you're not eating you don't! This isn't Survivor folks!
I'm just putting in an update, it was nice of you all to reply. Nothing has changed, and I didn't contact my p-doc. I wasn't supposed to see him until 11/6. But, at the rate I'm going, will he be able to see me?? Sorry, dark humor. Actually today isn't a "real bad" day. I did eat 3/4 of a bagel. Oh, and a few Necco wafers. My breath is enough to kill a horse still though. Too bad I couldn't just breath on myself. There is no escaping this illness. It will be back, and it's too late for so many things. Life hurts too much for me to exist, and that is that, end of story. I don't think I am anorexic, not that it really matters at this point. I never thought I was fat, I used to be 5'7" 135lbs. I'm certainly not fat now at 120. I just hurt and refuse to add anything to sustain this misery. I certainly don't want to be a "squeaky wheel", nor do I want to bring anybody down. This is my choice and I don't think anybody can say anything to stop me. I have no idea what is going to happen to me but this has gone on too long, and it only gets worse. Please, don't feel bad for me.Thanks for caring,
Michele
Posted by shar on October 27, 2000, at 13:40:11
In reply to If I don't like me, should I go eat worms???, posted by Rainwoman on October 27, 2000, at 13:02:17
Michele,
Well, damn. It is so awful to see someone go. It is crappy moreover because in the midst of the grip of the Beast, we don't always make our best decisions.You have obviously been in pain for a long time. And, it gets harder and harder to bear. I don't know if you are at the bottom of the pit or still sliding down, pulling the top in after you--but that is not all there is to life.
The depression and the Beast tell us that we are dead inside, there is not hope, it is too late, too much water under the bridge. They are not your friends, the thoughts like that.
I don't think you're anorexic, and I understand about not eating so living will cease sooner, but I do insist on asking again that you hold on. Even when you are out of all hope, if you can just wait a while, do so.
In addition, I wish I were there so I could drag you kicking and screaming (if need be) to your p-doc to get you some meds....and maybe ease your pain a bit. If you won't go, put the "awake Michele" in charge, and move your ass, please.
So many of us here know what you are going through! And know that you can be helped--if you will hang on. You are right when you say nobody can change your mind, but we can sure as hell try. I know you have the energy to walk to the phone and dial your p-doc's number and say you are in crisis, or in trouble, or whatever.
Post back. Pay it forward.
Shar
Posted by noa on October 27, 2000, at 16:31:54
In reply to If I don't like me, should I go eat worms???, posted by Rainwoman on October 27, 2000, at 13:02:17
But, at the rate I'm going, will he be able to see me?? Sorry, dark humor.
HUMOR---a flicker, a ray of the parts of you that are hidden beneath the horrible suffering.
I was in a dark place not long ago, and not for the first time, and I am so glad to be here now, not having checked out. That place is unbearable, but it is possible to find a way out toward living. I know it's hard to believe.
Posted by Racer on October 27, 2000, at 16:48:34
In reply to Punishment for lack of courage...., posted by Rainwoman on October 26, 2000, at 9:06:33
Rainwoman,
No, you won't ever be like those other people you see on the street! You don't really want to be, anyway, do you? You want to be yourself, but without the pain. Here's my epiphany, came on it not too long ago myself: a lot of those people are in pain, too! They show it differently. They get fat, they drink too much, they chase money to the exclusion of all else, they sabotage their careers. Those things are not visible at first glance, and your depression probably isn't, either. (Though, if you're like me, a shower would make it even less so %-P)
Depression makes me stop eating, too, and it does feel kinda good. You know what that is? It's the dopamine. Studies have shown that one of the symptoms of anorexia is an increase in dopamine activity. Don't think of it as a way to kill yourself, think of it as your body helping you tell your doctor what kind of drug you'll need! Find a drug which effects dopamine, and you may feel even better -- especially if you start eating again, too!
Listen, I don't know how you feel. I only know how I have felt in the past, with similar symptoms. I can tell you, though, that I care and want to help you get through this. If I can tell you anything that you think might help, anything at all, please let me know. I'll answer you as honestly and completely as I can.
Please eat, though, because that right there will cause you more problems long term than the depression itself. Trust me on this one, my friend.
Posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 16:59:41
In reply to If I don't like me, should I go eat worms???, posted by Rainwoman on October 27, 2000, at 13:02:17
> Michele,
We do care and to prove it, and out of solidarity, I will fast with you.
John
Posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 17:40:47
In reply to I'm fasting with you., posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 16:59:41
Candy Says
Candy says:
I've come to hate my body,
and all that it requires in this world.Candy says:
I'd like to know completely,
what other souls discreetly talk about.I'm gonna watch the blue birds fly,
over my shoulder.
I'm gonna watch them pass me by,
maybe when I'm older.
What do you think I'd see,
if I could walk away from me?Candy says:
I hate the quite places,
that cause the smallest taste of what will be.Candy says:
I hate the big descisions,
that cause endless revisions
in my mind.
Posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 17:58:10
In reply to Candy Says. lou reed, posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 17:40:47
You lost your face in the bedroom mirror
you lost your way to the kitchen
on the bathtroom scale
Cause everytime you eat you think
of your Father
He hurt you?
Eat him!
Did he hurt you?
Eat Him!1. With a short sharp knife, peel the cucumber.
2. Slice it in two by runing the knife along its length.
3. Remove the seeds by runing a small spoon down the center of each half.
4. Then, slice the two halves into one each strips.
5. Eat him!
What do you see when you look in the mirror?
Tell me what do you see when you look at yourself?
Are you too fat?
When you're so thin?
Are you too fat?
When you're dying?
When you're dying?1. With a short sharp knife, peel the cucumber.
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Posted by Rzip on October 27, 2000, at 19:03:18
In reply to If I don't like me, should I go eat worms???, posted by Rainwoman on October 27, 2000, at 13:02:17
> Actually today isn't a "real bad" day. I did eat 3/4 of a bagel. Oh, and a few Necco wafers.
> I never thought I was fat, I used to be 5'7" 135lbs. I'm certainly not fat now at 120.
> I have no idea what is going to happen to me but this has gone on too long, and it only gets worse.
Michele,
Since you are so interested in the subject of starvation, I figured I'll enlighten you. I heard D-Sucrose and H2O are good for starvation....so first, I want you to boil 3 cups of water and dump 20g of pure white sugar into it. Once it cools, I want you to drink it. I understand that it is hard for you to take solid food right now, but liquid should be o.k.
Once you had done the above, e-mail me back.
Remember to drink the above specified mixture first. It might taste bitter, but I think you'll like it.
Once you are somewhat more clear-headed, I'll give you a biological rundown on the subject of long scale starvation. You'll be interested in what I have to say.
Remember, the D-Sucrose mixture first, e-mail second.
See-ya,
Rzip
P.S. Why are you choosing starvation?
Posted by stjames on October 27, 2000, at 19:20:51
In reply to Candy Says. lou reed, posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 17:40:47
> Candy Says
James here.....
Is Lou talking about Candy Darling ?
james
Posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 20:13:21
In reply to Re: Candy Says. lou reed, posted by stjames on October 27, 2000, at 19:20:51
> > Candy Says
>
> James here.....
>
> Is Lou talking about Candy Darling ?Who's candy darling?
I thought he was just talking about anorexia Nervosa
>
> james
Posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 20:55:20
In reply to Poem for a Rainy Woman by John and Dirk Puis., posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 17:58:10
The Flesh Failures/Let the Sunshine In
We starve
look
At one another
Short of breath
Walking proudly in our winter coats
Wearing smells from laboratories
Facing a dying nation of moving paper fantasy
Listening for the new told lies
With supreme visions of lonely tunesSomewhere, inside something there is a rush of
greatness
Who knows what stands in front of our lives
I fashion my future on films in space
Silence tells me secretly
Everything
EverythingEyes look your last
Arms take your last embrace
And lips, oh you, the doors of breath
Seal with a righteous kiss
Seal with a righteous kiss
The rest is silence
The rest is silence
The rest is silenceWe starve-
look at one another
Short of breath
Walking proudly in our winter coats
Wearing smells from laboratories
facing a dying nation of moving paper fantasy
Listening for the new told lies
With supreme visions of lonely tunesSinging, our space songs on a spider web sitar
Life is around you and in you
Answer for Timothy Leary, dearieLet the sunshine
Let the sunshine in
The sunshine in
Let the sunshine
Let the sunshine in
The sunshine in
Let the sunshine
Let the sunshine in
The sun shine in...
Posted by Cass on October 28, 2000, at 0:36:16
In reply to The Flesh Failures/Let the Sunshine In . 4Rain+Cas, posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 20:55:20
>
>
> The Flesh Failures/Let the Sunshine In
>
> We starve
> look
> At one another
> Short of breath
> Walking proudly in our winter coats
> Wearing smells from laboratories
> Facing a dying nation of moving paper fantasy
> Listening for the new told lies
> With supreme visions of lonely tunes
>
> Somewhere, inside something there is a rush of
> greatness
> Who knows what stands in front of our lives
> I fashion my future on films in space
> Silence tells me secretly
> Everything
> Everything
>
> Eyes look your last
> Arms take your last embrace
> And lips, oh you, the doors of breath
> Seal with a righteous kiss
> Seal with a righteous kiss
> The rest is silence
> The rest is silence
> The rest is silence
>
> We starve-
> look at one another
> Short of breath
> Walking proudly in our winter coats
> Wearing smells from laboratories
> facing a dying nation of moving paper fantasy
> Listening for the new told lies
> With supreme visions of lonely tunes
>
> Singing, our space songs on a spider web sitar
> Life is around you and in you
> Answer for Timothy Leary, dearie
>
> Let the sunshine
> Let the sunshine in
> The sunshine in
> Let the sunshine
> Let the sunshine in
> The sunshine in
> Let the sunshine
> Let the sunshine in
> The sun shine in...
Posted by Rainwoman on October 28, 2000, at 4:28:09
In reply to Thank-you(np) » pullmarine, posted by Cass on October 28, 2000, at 0:36:16
Yes, it is the bearer of doom again. I refuse to drink any kind of sucre sugar crap. No offense of course. I did however, have 3 or 4 bears though last night. Does that count? The bummer of my life is, that I met a guy that really is nice. I can tell he likes me, at least if his hand all over my ass is any indication. I didn't think I had much of one left. Just leave it to a guy to bring out the ass in me. OOps, forgot, I possess a special talent of being able to do that myself. If he only knew what goes on in my head. If half the guys who ask me out knew, I'm sure they would be running screaming. Seems you can hide anything under a bad sense of humor. Now I'm stuck going to a halloween party tonight. As a one nightstand. Lamp shade on my head, round "table around my waist, clock, condom, you know the things you put on a nightstand. I hate having to be in a crowd and everybody is laughing, and even laughing at what you say, but inside you are dying. For crying out loud I better rethink my costume. The grim reaper sounds more appropriate. Or maybe the invisible woman! oh, bad pun. I swear, I kill myself, doh, and another.
One might wonder what the *$)#( I am doing up at this hour, and frankly, I can't figure out why anyone would be if there wasn't cows to be milked. Or a certain someone screwed upo their ritalin timing, and a certain brother you haven't heard from in months actually thinks you are capable of babysitting his daughter at this $(#_$ hour. I bet toddlers have loads of unspent energy in the morning. Better wear sneakers. With motors. Or maybe more ritalin would help?
Pullmarine--cut that $()_# out. Go eat an egg or something, for crying out loud, no reason for anyone else to waste away. Later.
Food for thought: Eh, let's not.
Posted by coral on October 28, 2000, at 10:56:20
In reply to Rain, rain, what the hey., posted by Rainwoman on October 28, 2000, at 4:28:09
What a GREAT costume idea!!!!!! Besides, Halloween parties mean chocolate and I'm convinced that chocolate is a major food group. I also appreciate your sense of humor. Having caused more than a few raised eyebrows by making a humorous comment that normally wouldn't evoke humor, I've come to appreciate humor in any form.
Posted by shar on October 28, 2000, at 11:22:10
In reply to Re: Rain, rain, posted by coral on October 28, 2000, at 10:56:20
I agree that your costume idea is a great one! If you don't want to go as the grim reaper, but want to bare your dark side, so to speak, you could always glue a copy of a psych book, or maybe a book of affirmations (I usually hate those), or something like that on your night stand.
I'm 48, and the number of hands on my ass has declined substantially in the past few years, but trust me, it has little to do with liking you. No offense! It's not you, it's a guy thing. However, it might be just what you need right now!
I'm going to a party where everyone is going to be ultra trendy, no costumes, into channeling, NIA (the trendy aerobics), thin as a rail, talking about the latest vegetarian recipe they've tried (or vegan if they are really serious), inner peace (actually denial), etc. Sigh. I'm doing it to get out. See what one has to do to stay sane?
I am taking a young friend of mine, who will put up with the crap with me, and he and I can catch up, and I hope that will make it bearable. Ack! Plus, I had to bribe him.
In your post you said you had three bears, and I was thinking that was a heck of alot of food for someone who is not eating! Even one bear would probably fill me up and I'm not fasting!
And, I think Pullmarine's joining you is an eloquent statement of caring. I hope he doesn't eat an egg til you do. (But, I guess he gets a bear?)
Have fun tonight, you nut! And tell us about it so I can live vicariously!
Shar
Posted by pullmarine on October 28, 2000, at 17:35:08
In reply to I'm fasting with you., posted by pullmarine on October 27, 2000, at 16:59:41
> > Michele,
>
>
> We do care and to prove it, and out of solidarity, I will fast with you.
>
>
> John
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