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Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:34:30
In reply to Re: OMG!!!! » All Done, posted by jammerlich on October 5, 2006, at 13:25:42
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:36:34
In reply to Re: Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!! » gardenergirl, posted by Poet on October 5, 2006, at 14:05:57
> Am I right? I so need an A in something.ding ding ding ding ding...
Good answer!
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> I am so glad you fired that pdoc.Me too. :)
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> *Just go back to sleep?* Yeah, that's something I know is taught in every medical school as a response to insomnia and sleep problems, she said sarcastically. Well, maybe at the one that forced me to quit my job and caused my last major depression. Hmm, where did she graduate from?I think she earned her "B.A." (bad attitude) from the school of Can't Contain my Disdain.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:37:22
In reply to Re: PS: I fired her Monday. » gardenergirl, posted by ClearSkies on October 5, 2006, at 14:33:46
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:40:36
In reply to Re: Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!! » gardenergirl, posted by Squiggles on October 5, 2006, at 15:03:18
> > K. I've noticed this odd sensation in the back of my skull.
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> > 9. You need to stop navel-gazing.
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> Cute game; the above match would be good
> on a Freudian couch. Thanks for the humour.Extra points for incorporating Freud. :)
My current favorite is
J. I've had diarrhea for the last two weeks
along with
2. That’s a psychotic symptom of depression.
Although 10. Just go back to sleep could be amusing though messy.
Thanks for the giggles.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:41:13
In reply to Re: Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!!, posted by wishingstar on October 5, 2006, at 15:35:45
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:42:04
In reply to Re: PS: I fired her Monday., posted by LadyBug on October 5, 2006, at 16:51:29
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:48:12
In reply to Re: Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!! » gardenergirl, posted by tofuemmy on October 5, 2006, at 17:10:37
> I'm such a dweeb, I had to actually complete the assigned task.
I love it! And thanks for your support.
>Let's see...you have 7 correct. And I'm going to be really evil and not tell you which ones are right. Bwaa haa haa haa ha
Thanks,
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:49:04
In reply to Re: Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!!, posted by rubenstein on October 5, 2006, at 17:25:25
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:53:21
In reply to Re: Wow! I didn't see that coming! » gardenergirl, posted by Jost on October 5, 2006, at 18:26:22
Hi,
Yeah, I haven't talked about her much. It feels good to have the little-girl sunglasses off now. Things look so much clearer and brighter. I feel good for making the decision, but I've also been obsessing about this stuff all week. I keep having these imagined conversations/confrontations in my head with her. Normally, I'd agree with my T that there's really no need for "closure" and that trying to discuss this with her would be useless. But I think it might be the best way to just get it out of my head.We'll see how it goes when/if she calls back tomorrow. Either way, I'm not planning to resume treatment with her again. But I just really want to know what the heck she was thinking, for one thing.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:54:30
In reply to Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!!, posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 12:09:20
Posted by Squiggles on October 5, 2006, at 19:55:52
In reply to Excellent round! :^D » Squiggles, posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:40:36
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> My current favorite is
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> J. I've had diarrhea for the last two weeks
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> along with
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> 2. That’s a psychotic symptom of depression.
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> Although 10. Just go back to sleep could be amusing though messy.That would be anal offensive -- maybe the
medication (think "Train Spotting" scene) oops
Freudian slip :-)Squiggles
Posted by Dinah on October 5, 2006, at 20:31:03
In reply to Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!!, posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 12:09:20
Posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2006, at 21:48:29
In reply to Re: Excellent round! :^D » gardenergirl, posted by Squiggles on October 5, 2006, at 19:55:52
GG you mean I'm not the only one that finds bad pdocs? Thanks for that I really thought I was the only one. Love Phillipa
Posted by Daisym on October 5, 2006, at 22:38:11
In reply to Re: Wow! I didn't see that coming! » Jost, posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 19:53:21
Your post should be in a text book somewhere. Did she really say all those things? Shocking really. Maybe you should send her a letter with them all written down for her file.
Some people are just clueless....
I think my favorite is "go back to sleep." Yeah - I bet YOU didn't think of that...
I'd ask for a refund too, btw.
Posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:27:31
In reply to Re: Wow! I didn't see that coming! » gardenergirl, posted by Daisym on October 5, 2006, at 22:38:11
She really did say all these things. Some of them are pared down to the gist of the message versus including the whole dialog. There's always the possibility that I am twisting what she said for my own purposes. I've done some reflection and writing about this, though. Lots of reflection, and I think I'm representing the gist and/or tone pretty accurately.
And of course I'm sure she didn't literally mean all of them. Dear God, I hope not. Pity the rest of her clients, too, then. But...if she returns my call, I am certainly going to ask her about the "not making any med changes until..." comment as if I take her at her word about that. Something along the lines of, "My goodness, whyever would I need to come back to see you til then? I guess I can ask my GP to refill the 'scrips. Hmm, that would be cheaper, anyway, since it would be just a co-pay. Or did you intend to write me scrips for a year? Golly, I sure hope nothing changes in my physical and/or mental health during that time."
Or perhaps, "Golly, that wouldn't seem to meet minimal standards of care."
Or "Do you plan to assess my condition over that time period, despite knowing that you will not make any changes? I mean, why bother with that if it doesn't affect your treatment plan? That sure will be time saving."
Then there's always, "What's your problem, lady?"
And, "Wow, punishment by promising unethical care. That's an interesting approach. Have you used that with success before?"
I think I'm going to print out this game for her as a "parting gift".
And while I do want to go in to see her one more time (thought long and hard about this even though T doesn't recommend it), I certainly will not pay for it. Call it a Mulligan for her. I did think of adding up these comments, dividing by the total number of sessions and asking her for that proportion of her fees back. :)
Sorry for continuing to rant.
gg
Posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:27:59
In reply to Re: Excellent round! :^D, posted by Phillipa on October 5, 2006, at 21:48:29
Posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:28:24
In reply to Congratulations on a very well deserved firing (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by Dinah on October 5, 2006, at 20:31:03
Posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:28:50
In reply to Re: Excellent round! :^D » gardenergirl, posted by Squiggles on October 5, 2006, at 19:55:52
Posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:33:46
In reply to Snort! (nm) » Squiggles, posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:28:50
It occurred to me last night that I might be keeping myself angry with her about all of this in order to devalue all of what she's said. And that I might be doing that because there have been things which stung because they hit some truth. Or at least a soft, vulnerable "I fear it's the truth despite evidence to the contrary" spot.
And when I shared this with my dear husband, he nodded. He'd already thought of that. Well thanks for sharing that with me, dude! Reminds me of the time I told him, "I think I have a lot of anxiety underneath this depression." That was a really big insight for me. It felt huge. His response, "You are one of the most anxious people I know." Sheesh, why didn't you tell me?????
sigh
I'm going to try to distract myself away from this stuff for now. Wish me luck.
gg
Posted by Racer on October 6, 2006, at 13:22:24
In reply to Danged reflection, posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:33:46
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> And when I shared this with my dear husband, he nodded. He'd already thought of that. Well thanks for sharing that with me, dude! Reminds me of the time I told him, "I think I have a lot of anxiety underneath this depression." That was a really big insight for me. It felt huge. His response, "You are one of the most anxious people I know." Sheesh, why didn't you tell me?????
lol I told my best friend from college something similar once: "I've always thought I was placid to the point of bovinity -- but I've discovered now I'm rather tenser than I thought..."She nearly drove off the road laughing...
Posted by Jost on October 6, 2006, at 17:42:10
In reply to Re: Wow! I didn't see that coming!, posted by gardenergirl on October 6, 2006, at 10:27:31
Aw, come on! Nobody can be That clueless.
If you Pdoc said all that she should be given an award of some kind. I mean noone can be that clueless without a talent for cluelessness. A special gift, possibly even a genius for it.I'm in awe that someone could have such a remarkable degree of it.
Maybe she can be used for science. Research on the parts of the brain most involved in cluelessness, something of that sort.
(Not that I believe in cruelty to clueless Pdocs or anything.)
Jost
Posted by Lindenblüte on October 7, 2006, at 9:12:15
In reply to Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!!, posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 12:09:20
> Match the unhelpful, disdainful, and/or dismissive remarks with the client's question or concern. Mix and match! Wheee! Have fun!
> L. I've tried all kinds of tricks, but I still lose track of time quite a lot.> 3. You’re probably just still stressed because of the deaths in your family.> J. I've had diarrhea for the last two weeks.> 2. That’s a psychotic symptom of depression.
> K. I've noticed this odd sensation in the back of my skull.> 5. Wear a watch.
> D. I’m still struggling with this task.> 6. He’s probably gay.
> G. I'm having trouble with word substitution and word-finding. It seems worse than usual.> 1. It’s probably the anxiety.
> C. I have atypical depression.> 7. You’re acting like a child.
> F. I'm bingeing now, and I never used to.>4. That can’t be because of the medication.
> H. I'm worried the medication is not having the same effect as it once did.> 8. You’ll be back next year crying your crocodile tears.
> I. I've been much more distracted recently, and I can't seem to get anything done.> 9. You need to stop navel-gazing.
> E. I'd like to review the treatment plan.> 10. Just go back to sleep.
> B. I wake up in the middle of the night. I'm not getting enough rest. > 11. Have sex instead of eating chocolate.
> A. I don't feel desired. > 12. I’m not going to make any changes to your medications until you graduate.
>Z. I don't think I need to keep seeing you. You are not the kind of pdoc I need to be working with. 24. That's just transference from your borderline personality disorder.
X. I feel like you haven't made me feel any better, either by talking with you, or using the drugs you prescribe me. 25. It's because you are resistant to the placebo effect.
etc.Gosh gardenergirl. sounds like a real loser pdoc. Sorry you wasted your time and money on this one. send her back to empathy school when shes done there, she might be able to start fresh in another area of medicine, perhaps she should be a coroner instead.
-Li
Posted by laima on October 9, 2006, at 16:41:09
In reply to Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!!, posted by gardenergirl on October 5, 2006, at 12:09:20
It's awsome you can maintain a sense of humour through something like this!
Posted by gardenergirl on October 11, 2006, at 21:13:11
In reply to Re: Let's play Pdoc Mix and Match Game!!!, posted by laima on October 9, 2006, at 16:41:09
I was spending too much time obsessing about it last week. The humor and all your posts helped, but I still was going nuts.
Talking to her was very validating. Not in a good way for her, lol. Validating in that I confirmed that it's a very very good thing to stop seeing her.
I asked her what criteria she used to assess how I'm doing. I was thinking of the DSM criteria such as sleep, appetite, mood, thoughts, etc. She just sort of fumbled around and mentioned something about situational factors. And that I seemed to be doing "fine." Bzzzz. wrong answer
Then I talked to her about the "not changing your meds until..." comment. She didn't remember it and tried to 'splain it away. I told her those were her exact words and that it seemed like she was lashing out. She lamely and insincerely apologized. Sort of a patronizing, lame tone of voice. I said that it was probably hard to apologize for something you didn't even remember.
At some point, I was silent in response to something she said. She filled that silence by telling me about how the office person "sabotauged" her billing system, but she had "no idea why" the woman would do that to her. Hmmm, what's the common denominator here? I'm telling you something that you have no clue about. You have no clue why the office person would "sabotauge you". Hmmm.
Add that to her saying that it's been "slow" this summer and me realizing that I never had any trouble making an appt. What pdoc is ever "slow" when there are wait-lists all over town?
Yeah, I finally got a clue about her. Looking forward to new doc next week.
Thanks again, everyone.
gg
Posted by Phillipa on October 11, 2006, at 21:22:13
In reply to Talked to her by phone on Friday, posted by gardenergirl on October 11, 2006, at 21:13:11
GG Certainly sounds like you made the right choice. Love Phillipa
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