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Posted by linkadge on September 14, 2010, at 7:09:49
morning
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bright light
vitamin d
coffeenoon
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omega 3night
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niacin
Thats it, we'll see how it goes.Linkadge
Posted by SLS on September 14, 2010, at 8:22:27
In reply to trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by linkadge on September 14, 2010, at 7:09:49
> morning
> -------
> bright light
> vitamin d
> coffee
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> noon
> ----
> omega 3
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> night
> -----
> niacin
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> Thats it, we'll see how it goes.
>
> Linkadge
Good luck.I was told that phosphatidylserine enhanced the therapeutic effects of omega-3.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on September 14, 2010, at 10:35:23
In reply to Re: trying a new (simpler) regiment » linkadge, posted by SLS on September 14, 2010, at 8:22:27
No more meds at all? Phillipa
Posted by Lao Tzu on September 14, 2010, at 12:38:02
In reply to trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by linkadge on September 14, 2010, at 7:09:49
I think your new regimen makes a very good point. The time of day you take certain supplements may help in the long run. I do this with my regimen, taking certain vitamins at different times of the day, and I find it works rather well. The thing that will screw it all up is smoking. I'm trying to smoke less, and I believe the supplements work better. Good luck with the new regimen!!
Lao
Posted by TenMan on September 15, 2010, at 8:36:30
In reply to Re: trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by Lao Tzu on September 14, 2010, at 12:38:02
That's a good solid regimen, similar to something I do myself.
A small dose of SJW, perhaps one, three hundred milligram tab, or one tab of sam-e might be synergistic.
Also, I would recommend a dose of Vit. K as it has been shown to be synergistic with Vit. D and helps to prevent soft tissue calcification.
All in all, I like it.
Posted by morgan miller on September 15, 2010, at 14:00:14
In reply to Re: trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by TenMan on September 15, 2010, at 8:36:30
> That's a good solid regimen, similar to something I do myself.
>
> A small dose of SJW, perhaps one, three hundred milligram tab, or one tab of sam-e might be synergistic.
>
> Also, I would recommend a dose of Vit. K as it has been shown to be synergistic with Vit. D and helps to prevent soft tissue calcification.
>
> All in all, I like it.
>
>Preferably vitamin K2 in the form of MK7. Other than that, we should be able to get most of what we need in a well balanced diet, with the exception of magnesium and vitamin D. I think Linkage said he doesn't respond well to magnesium supplementation. Maybe add half a dose of a good multivitamin if you feel like you might not be getting everything.
BTW, I know this is a mood supplement regimen.
Linkage, do you think you might respond differently to different types of magnesium?
Morgan
Posted by Abby Cunningham on September 16, 2010, at 23:49:05
In reply to Re: trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by morgan miller on September 15, 2010, at 14:00:14
Why are people recommending Niacin as opposed to Niacinamide? I read that Niacin causes flushing sometimes. Niacinamide is supposed to act almost the same as a benzo. I am considering taking it myself as I feel I have tolerance w/d to alprazolam.
Posted by linkadge on September 17, 2010, at 8:31:53
In reply to Re: trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by morgan miller on September 15, 2010, at 14:00:14
>Maybe add half a dose of a good multivitamin if >you feel like you might not be getting >everything.
I don't do that well on multivitamins for some reason. I havn't filtered out whats helping me and whats hurting me. Some of the b complex just end up giving me nervous energy which I don't need. The niacin is different.
I do believe there is some genetic predisposition to particular problems. But, I also feel that there are possible nutritional targets for the same pathways as drugs.
For instance, niacin is a potent GSK-3b inhibitor like lithium and valproate. GSK-3b inhibition produces neurotrophic and neuroprotective effects. Inhibiting gsk-3b also produces antipsychotic effects in animal models as well as ability to reset the circadian clocks.
I was reading an article on the utility of gsk-3b inhibitors on psychosis. They then mentioned how this might be a theraputic target of lithium and valproate augmentation. But, then, I was thinking to myself, wait! niacin is a potent GSK-3b inhibitor, could this be a mechanism for its purported efficacy in schizophrenia??
Perhaps, its not so much that schizophrenics are deficiacnt in niacin. Instead, perhaps in high doses, the supplement starts to affect targets common to mood stabilizers. Like PKC inhibition with high dose omega-3
Inhibiting GSK-3b has some ability to modulate the sensitivity to dopamine.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on September 17, 2010, at 8:35:01
In reply to Re: trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by Abby Cunningham on September 16, 2010, at 23:49:05
I think niacin has some additional theraptutic effects that niacinamide dosen't. I could be wrong, but doesn't it produce more cholesterol lowering effects and / or vasodialation (good for migrane)?
I have grown not to mind the flush. I only take 100mg and that works like a benzo for me.
For the past two weeks my sleep has been so much better. I've had problems maintaining a regular sleep wake cycle for almost a decade. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Linkadge
Posted by morgan miller on September 17, 2010, at 11:31:16
In reply to Re: trying a new (simpler) regiment, posted by Abby Cunningham on September 16, 2010, at 23:49:05
> Why are people recommending Niacin as opposed to Niacinamide? I read that Niacin causes flushing sometimes. Niacinamide is supposed to act almost the same as a benzo. I am considering taking it myself as I feel I have tolerance w/d to alprazolam.
The flush is a good thing and some people enjoy it. You just have to start low and work your way up so the flush is not as bad at higher doses.
Like Linkage said, Niacin(nicotinic acid) may have benefits that the other forms of niacin don't. I know this is the case when treating cholesterol issues.
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