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Posted by Ezmoney on July 20, 2005, at 14:17:28
Is mental illness a brain disorder ?If not,then what is it?Is ADD a brain disorder or a mental illness?Why is ADD found in many forms of mental illness ? Just what causes mental illness? You need to read all about the second messenger system.Depression shows hyper brain activity in the left amygdala and the right forebrain.Brain scans show many brain abnormalites and brain atrophy in mental illness.A shortage of serotonin is no way the cause of mental illness.All scientific research refutes this.In fact,ssri drugs make bi-polar worse.It is way more complicated that a SE shortage.Too much Se can cause mental illness.Other brain chemicals are also involved.SE plays a major role in the second messenger system activation .The T2a receptors control the release of dopamine and NE.Read about CKE and it,s role in mental illness.Inositol and phoshorous must combine inorder to activate the second messenger system.CKE allows this to happen. You have se receptors all over your body.They turn procesees on and off.Depends on which receptor is activated.You have many diffrent kinds of se receptors that control diffrent areas of the brain and body.Rage is controled by se receptors. Activation of one brain area deactivates another area.Activation of the right side of the brain deactivates the left side.It can stop OCD ,which is in the left brain.Activation of the left side can stop depression which is in the right forebrain.Activation of the septum stops rage.Activation of the orbitol frontal cortex stops panic and anxiety.Panic and anxiety are just brain signals ,generated by the right amygdala and felt in the left forebrain.There are signal pathways in the brain.PKC has a lot to do with brain cell kindling as seen in panic ,ocd and bi-polar .You have 3 brain systems that release brain chemicals.The second messenger sysyem,the nicotonic system,and the mussciratic system.Study each one.One system may be defective and the other be ok.The second messenger system appears to be defective in schizophrenia and the nicotonic system is fine.Nicotine acts on the nicotonic system to quick release dopamine in the fore brain and hyppocamus.This allows gateing to take place so that the brain is not overwhelmed by stimulis. A release of SE causes the release of CKE ,which deactivates an enzyme that prevents inositol and phosporus from combineing.This controls the release of dopamine and NE and activates the second messenger system.It is all so simple.Then DAG and calcium activate PKC.Dag must be removed from the cell by inositol or PKC stays activated.Inositol combines with the DAG and removes it from the cell and the signal is terminated.The signal must be terminated and the brain cell polarised or the brain chemical will continue to be released untill the brain cell reacts by totally stoping the release of the brain chemical for good then you become very ill.Every cell has an atuoreceptor that tests how much brain chemical has been releasaed then another receptor shuts off the release.The release of too much brain chenical injures this process.The release is totally shut down.
Posted by Spriggy on July 20, 2005, at 22:52:08
In reply to Second messenger system and mental illness, posted by Ezmoney on July 20, 2005, at 14:17:28
Okay, once again, this is very, very fascinating but I have no idea what all those letters mean.
How would one (like myself) who has anxiety and panic attacks figure out how to deactivate certain areas of my brain and then activate other areas??
Could someone draw me a map or something. LOL
Posted by Ezmoney on July 21, 2005, at 1:05:28
In reply to Re: Second messenger system and mental illness, posted by Spriggy on July 20, 2005, at 22:52:08
Just learn about the orbitol frontal cortex.It can stop panic attacks.
Posted by Glydin on July 23, 2005, at 9:34:40
In reply to Second messenger system and mental illness, posted by Ezmoney on July 20, 2005, at 14:17:28
I also admit, being of a simple brain functioning, I have difficulty understanding alot, make that MOST, of the confusing and convoluted pathophysiology involved with thinking about brain function. Trying to grasp those concepts actually makes noise as it flys over my head. My question would be: What implications does this info give for practical applications for treatment? Are we talking new meds, new alternative treaments, new "heal thyself" techniques we have yet to uncover? Surgery? What?
Knowledge is great and I think it's goal should be for helpful purposes. Sometimes I feel it's a bit like: Okay we know your arm's broke, we know setting it might help it heal correctly, BUT we don't know HOW it set it, therefore, we STILL don't really have a treatment for it.
Posted by Ezmoney on July 23, 2005, at 13:05:39
In reply to Re: Second messenger system and mental illness, posted by Glydin on July 23, 2005, at 9:34:40
Some people have a need to know the truth and some do not.Just what is wromg with me and can it ever be cured?
Posted by Glydin on July 23, 2005, at 14:48:17
In reply to Re: Second messenger system and mental illness, posted by Ezmoney on July 23, 2005, at 13:05:39
> Some people have a need to know the truth and some do not.
~~~I hope you are not saying that by posting what I did that have a need to NOT know the truth or be disillusioned. I'm pretty comfortable with MY truth and I am respectful that you are comfortable with yours.... To imply otherwise would make me feel offended.
Just what is wromg with me and can it ever be cured?~~~I really don't believe in cures for most disorders physical or emotional.
I do believe in successful treatments and I think there are many paths to successful treatment.
Posted by MM on August 5, 2005, at 2:50:08
In reply to Re: Second messenger system and mental illness » Ezmoney, posted by Glydin on July 23, 2005, at 14:48:17
You sound incredibly knowledgable about the brain and its functioning and I admire that and wish that I had the same aptitude that you do for understanding it, but I've tried for, jeez, years, and I still cannot come CLOSE to what most of the people on this board know about how things work up there. I've read what I can find and the basic conclusion I can come up with is that serotonin is bad for MY brain, which you stated somewhere (that it can make mental illness worse). I would appreciate SOOOOO much if you could make a very simplified list of what supplements (or other things) help what parts of the brain/disorders in your opinion (if there are any that do help). I apologize if that is asking too much as I don't mean to impose but I would just love to get some use out of your info here. So far what I know is that I should research Lecithin. Either way, thanks for your very interesting postings.
MM
Posted by JLx on August 11, 2005, at 13:28:50
In reply to Re: Second messenger system and mental ill-Ezmoney, posted by MM on August 5, 2005, at 2:50:08
> You sound incredibly knowledgable about the brain and its functioning and I admire that and wish that I had the same aptitude that you do for understanding it, but I've tried for, jeez, years, and I still cannot come CLOSE to what most of the people on this board know about how things work up there. I've read what I can find and the basic conclusion I can come up with is that serotonin is bad for MY brain, which you stated somewhere (that it can make mental illness worse). I would appreciate SOOOOO much if you could make a very simplified list of what supplements (or other things) help what parts of the brain/disorders in your opinion (if there are any that do help). I apologize if that is asking too much as I don't mean to impose but I would just love to get some use out of your info here. So far what I know is that I should research Lecithin. Either way, thanks for your very interesting postings.
> MMI find it all overwhelmingly complex and confusing too.
Dr. Daniel Amen's speciality tends towards children and ADD, but I still found his Brain Checklist to be interesting. I recommend taking both.
http://www.brainplace.com/ac/tests/
Then you'll get to this page which explains and recommends: http://www.brainplace.com/ac/tests/subtype_results.php
His comments jibe with my experience so I think he's on the right track. Perhaps one day we can be diagnosed with brain imaging.
JL
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