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Posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 9:47:15
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by Lamdage22 on April 24, 2015, at 9:11:41
its main goal is to fill the bank accounts of those who run it. if a sick person does end up being helped by it, then thats just a side effect of psychiatrys main goal. if a sick person is harmed by it, then that is just swept under the rug.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 24, 2015, at 10:09:25
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 9:47:15
Many psychiatrists truly think that they are helping, which makes it even more bizarre.
They delight the world with their pills so to say.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 24, 2015, at 10:17:01
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by Lamdage22 on April 24, 2015, at 10:09:25
Delight the world forcefully with their pills!
Posted by burial on April 24, 2015, at 10:37:11
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by Lamdage22 on April 24, 2015, at 10:17:01
i've just recently started psychotherapy and i honestly expect it to be far more effective than any of the pills. The one type of pill which actually does something for me, benzodiazepines, are not being prescribed anymore because of the risk of addiction? Instead i'm prescribed antipsychotics even though they say i don't have any mental ilness? Most of psychiatrists are hypocrites, they don't listed to their patients at all
Posted by Christ_empowered on April 24, 2015, at 12:19:18
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by burial on April 24, 2015, at 10:37:11
...concur. Even if you need meds, any doc can prescribe them. Shrinks don't talk to their patients, much less do talk therapy.
In my limited experience, shrinks are more concerned with control and forcing their values on their patients than anything else. And...God help you if you get "uppity," because few other people will.
I think a big reason psychiatry continues is because a big part of what they "treat" is poverty and other social problems. Their salaries are small prices to pay for ignoring the real problems.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 24, 2015, at 13:19:53
In reply to yup yup..., posted by Christ_empowered on April 24, 2015, at 12:19:18
I really dont think its a conspiracy.
Posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 13:23:58
In reply to yup yup..., posted by Christ_empowered on April 24, 2015, at 12:19:18
Christ_Empowered, thats so true. they just dont listen to patients. and any family doc could do their job. and 98% of psychiatrists ive seen havent listened to me either. the one i just stopped seeing, id have to repeat things throughout my appointments. theyre getting paid so much because their jobs have are important and risky, but it was like she goes into autopilot when she sees patients.
but, the most irritating thing is that theyd rather pick any random just because it is approved for my what ever generic label my condition has, rather than actually put any thought in how to better target my condition.
yeah, i could go on all day about how much i dislike psychiatrists. and i think one of the worst things is that the conditions of those suffering from Mental Illnesses are given less respect than psychiatry itself.
> ...concur. Even if you need meds, any doc can
prescribe them. Shrinks don't talk to their patients, much less do talk therapy.
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> In my limited experience, shrinks are more concerned with control and forcing their values on their patients than anything else. And...God help you if you get "uppity," because few other people will.
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> I think a big reason psychiatry continues is because a big part of what they "treat" is poverty and other social problems. Their salaries are small prices to pay for ignoring the real problems.
Posted by linkadge on April 24, 2015, at 16:46:23
In reply to yup yup..., posted by Christ_empowered on April 24, 2015, at 12:19:18
You can't blame psychiatry for trying. It was not forced upon you. The problem that the science is sorely incomplete.
In many ways its like treating cancer. Some of it can be helped some can't. For some patients, the treatment is worse than the disease, or worse than no treatment at all.
I've always been a fan of trying to use medications as needed, for short periods of time. Of course this must come from a belief in ones ability to recover, and a resolve not to become infatuated by psychiatry.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on April 24, 2015, at 16:56:03
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 13:23:58
It really doesn't too much about listening. Let's be honest, we go to them to prescribe meds. There are a dozen people we could go to, if we just wanted to talk.
They just need to fit us into one of 3 boxes.
1) In need of an antidepressant
2) In need of a mood stabilizer
3) In need of an antipsychoticThat's really it. Sure, some psychiatrists think there is an art to the "selection" of one drug over an other, based on symptoms, but there is very little scientific evidence to support that.
If you're angry about the doctor prescribing nardil and then an antipsychotic. Then stop taking them. Sure, you'll go through rebound, but in a few months (or a year) you'll be back to whatever your baseline was. At that point, you can make a decision as to whether you want to go the psychiatry route again.
Posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 18:27:21
In reply to Re: yup yup... » hello123, posted by linkadge on April 24, 2015, at 16:56:03
> It really doesn't too much about listening. Let's be honest, we go to them to prescribe meds. There are a dozen people we could go to, if we just wanted to talk.
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> They just need to fit us into one of 3 boxes.
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> 1) In need of an antidepressant
> 2) In need of a mood stabilizer
> 3) In need of an antipsychoticim not referring to needing someone just talk to. and treatment resistant cases can benefit from thinking outside the box. rather than keeping patients in a few different categories. which seems to be how most psychiatrists ive seen work. if your situation has been resistant to treatments, i dont at all intend to be rude, but it seems you would have come to this conclusion. at first, i did just take what ever they handed out. but before too long, i realized no one is going to give a damn as much as i do about my mental health improving. and ive developed a deep interest in understanding how medications effect the brain. ive taken a step back to analyze how i react to various meds, and the reason i might react to them the way i do. and with my situation, it seems counter-productive to just go with a med simply because the FDA says theres a possibility that it might benefit my symptoms. which is how mlst psychiatrists seem to work. non treatment resistant cases might have no problem with that approach. but psychiatrists need to get out of that mindset when treating a patient that is resistant.
Posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2015, at 23:10:28
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by burial on April 24, 2015, at 10:37:11
Mine prescribes me both xanax and valium. Hey after 45 years ridiculous to even think of stopping them
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 2:09:30
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. » burial, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2015, at 23:10:28
Wow i have been quite psychotic yesterday.
But i still had insight...Its rough. Really rough.
But i believe it is better for me long term to withdraw!
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 6:46:08
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 2:09:30
i just wonder where to find a supportive doctor to help my quest for less AAPs.
Maybe a non psychiatrist? Psychiatrists all have that "AAPs cause no addiction" brainwash.
I dont need that.
Posted by hello123 on April 25, 2015, at 11:52:31
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you., posted by Lamdage22 on April 25, 2015, at 6:46:08
> i just wonder where to find a supportive doctor to help my quest for less AAPs.
>
> Maybe a non psychiatrist? Psychiatrists all have that "AAPs cause no addiction" brainwash.
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> I dont need that.yep, my experience with family doctors is that theyre less likely to buy in to the propaganda thats been spread about psych meds. but of course theyre also less likely to prescribe anything beyond basic meds like buspar, prozac or cymbalta.
Posted by Linkadge on April 25, 2015, at 18:29:52
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by hello123 on April 24, 2015, at 18:27:21
If he is not listening, maybe it's cause you're not telling him what you want. If he's not giving you what you want, that's a different matter.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:09
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by Linkadge on April 25, 2015, at 18:29:52
Update:
its another day on 15mg Zyprexa (before 12.5mg) and 800 (before 900) mg Seroquel.
The psychosis i experienced two day ago subsided.
I feel content. Almost euphoric. Now i know this initial euphoria is followed by some psychotic symptoms and i am ready for that.
Gone are the days where i ate tons of APs because of an psychotic outburst.
Two days ago i could calm myself down with basically what they teach with CBT. "Yes i think its a conspiracy and everyone is against me, but ITS NOT".
So far so good.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:43
In reply to Re: yup yup..., posted by Lamdage22 on April 26, 2015, at 9:36:09
> Update:
>
> its another day on 15mg Zyprexa (before 12.5mg) and 800 (before 900) mg Seroquel.I am sorry: before 17.5mg of course!
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> The psychosis i experienced two day ago subsided.
>
> I feel content. Almost euphoric. Now i know this initial euphoria is followed by some psychotic symptoms and i am ready for that.
>
> Gone are the days where i ate tons of APs because of an psychotic outburst.
>
> Two days ago i could calm myself down with basically what they teach with CBT. "Yes i think its a conspiracy and everyone is against me, but ITS NOT".
>
> So far so good.
Posted by Lamdage22 on April 27, 2015, at 9:53:50
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. » burial, posted by Phillipa on April 24, 2015, at 23:10:28
> Mine prescribes me both xanax and valium. Hey after 45 years ridiculous to even think of stopping them
Does it have any effect or are you utterly used to it?
Posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2015, at 19:24:33
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on April 27, 2015, at 9:53:50
Worked til about 12 years ago then started to just make me tired so only take to sleep.
Posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa » Lamdage22, posted by Phillipa on April 27, 2015, at 19:24:33
Psychiatry doesn't destroy you. *You* choose to take the meds. Don't take them, if you don't want to.
Withdrawal doesn't last 5 years.
If the withdrawal lasts 5 years, its because there is an underlying imbalance. If this is case, you need to accept that there is (and may continue to be) something wrong. As such, take the meds if they do more good than harm. Stop taking them, if they do more harm than good.Linkadge
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by linkadge on May 2, 2015, at 19:02:15
Have i not posted a study that says even people diagnosed with schizophrenia do better long term with less/no meds?
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:47:29
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 5, 2015, at 13:36:12
I would agree with you that psychiatry doesnt destroy people if there wasnt all the propaganda/brainwash associated with it.
Its simply not true.
They are lying.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:59:16
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:47:29
Not even to mention forced drugging.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:01:06
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 11:59:16
I was pre-psychotic and they didnt leave me much choice wether to take meds or just sit it out.
It is humongous BS.
Chemical inbalance?
Exactly. Thats why i dont want to take meds because they CAUSE it.
Posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:06:08
In reply to Re: Psychiatry destroys you. Phillipa, posted by Lamdage22 on May 6, 2015, at 12:01:06
Why do i have symptoms of low dopamine if my "inbalance is corrected"?
Why do i get akathisia?
We know very little about the brain. Much less than most psychiatrists like to admit.
So please dont burden me with your brainwash.
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