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Posted by Dan_MI on May 14, 2010, at 15:32:40
In reply to Re: NARDIL (Phenelzine) 4 weeks in, posted by Hunk20 on May 12, 2010, at 22:47:49
Hunk,
Just remember your brain is not a machine, and these drugs do not work instantly. And follow Jedi's advice: Don't get started chasing the euphoric dragon. Once you have a hypomanic episode your brain learns how to do it again...and then the real problems start.
Posted by Hunk20 on May 14, 2010, at 22:21:00
In reply to Re: NARDIL (Phenelzine) 4 weeks in, posted by Dan_MI on May 14, 2010, at 15:32:40
What do you mean by chasing the euphoric dragon?
Posted by Hunk20 on May 14, 2010, at 22:43:17
In reply to Re: NARDIL (Phenelzine) 4 weeks in » Hunk20, posted by jedi on May 11, 2010, at 0:39:16
I CAN enjoy it while it lasts?
or its dangerous and should be treated?It feels a bit strange to me because im supersocial in that state. I was not a very social guy before.
I take only 30mg.
Thanks
Posted by Hunk20 on May 15, 2010, at 1:20:58
In reply to Re: NARDIL (Phenelzine) 4 weeks in, posted by Hunk20 on May 14, 2010, at 22:43:17
And what do i have to watch out for, what does true mania feel like? You scared me a bit.
Posted by Dan_MI on May 15, 2010, at 11:48:22
In reply to Re: NARDIL (Phenelzine) 4 weeks in, posted by Hunk20 on May 15, 2010, at 1:20:58
"Chasing the dragon" is a phrase that means to chase a high you once experienced but now is unattainable.
For me, real mania is increased social/sexual activity, talking very fast, my facial muscles tense up, I roll my tongue and grind my teeth, and I go days without sleep. Each manic episode picks up where the other one left off, and the insomnia becomes more severe each time. I've walked out on 3 jobs when I've been manic. I spent $700 in Wal-mart once. I bought volumes of legal books in Barnes & Noble.
So I'd be real careful not to train your brain to have a tendency towards mania. It has been much more destructive to my life than depression.
> And what do i have to watch out for, what does true mania feel like? You scared me a bit.
Posted by Hunk20 on May 15, 2010, at 13:52:01
In reply to Re: NARDIL (Phenelzine) 4 weeks in, posted by Dan_MI on May 15, 2010, at 11:48:22
Thanks, Dan.
Bipolar or not thats the big question.
Maybe its just that im uncomfortable with being happy because its a very unfamiliar feeling.
I think so far i didnt have full mania since i still was in control, people reacted to me in a good way, they werent pissed of to talk to me or scared. They just think im a fun guy to be around wich indeed i can be. Some give me their number to hang.. or to do other stuff :P It just feels like im a sociable, confident guy with good mood that many people like. And thats kinda unreal to me and even a bit scary. Im quite good looking.. thats what people tell me.
On the other hand i had insomnia, that needs to be treated and i do sometimes feel bad even though not depressed. It feels kinda like i got kicked outta depression and out of denial faster than i can take. Just too much in too little time.
And after i take zyprexa my moods defenitly often f*ck*d. Wont ever take it again.. Abilify is up next on the list.Sometimes i get f*ck*d with or without zyprexa because i get so stuck in my head thinking about all those realizations about my life and my situation. Its alot at once, a huge experience with nardil.
Its real hard to tell. For the last 12 years i had low self esteem and felt uncomfortable/anxious around people and very often "down". Maybe even more than 12.. I just came out of denial more and more over the years. know what i mean? Mood fluctuations: absolutely.. but supernatural good mood combined with more than one mania symptom.. defenitly not prior to nardil.
I dont know how normal mood feels. Its subjective.
Im just really scared. Scared that i might be or turn bipolar, scared to fall back where i was and scared of whats coming because i made all these realizations about my life. Im kinda scared of happiness. But i know i want it and i wont give up.
Its tough to take you know. Even the good things are tough to take. There have often been good looking girls that showed initial interest in me. But i always managed to blow myself out or to get into a situation were i pay badly for using my wiener. Now i actually have a real shot and got pretty far with a gorgeos stripper. She asked for my number in the club. Just blew myself out after ive taken zyprexa yesterday and felt not so good again. Maybe it can be fixed, i told her whats up with me before that. Today told her im sorry and id give her a spontanous booty call when im in the mood and that ive been f*ck*d up yesterday. We are both looking for fun and no shes not in for the money i checked her out.
Anyways would it be advisable to add low dose lithium or some lithium orotate for safety reasons? Omega 3 is good for bipolars i heard. Anything else that can be done for safety?
Please help im really going through a rough time bipolar or not.Id really feel better if i have a security for that matter.. right now there is defenitly a tendency. Underlying Bipolar or the tough circumstances/initial nardil hypomania.. Even my pdoc cant answer it.
Thanks in Advance
Posted by europerep on May 16, 2010, at 7:21:00
In reply to HELP: Underlying Bipolar? im scared!, posted by Hunk20 on May 15, 2010, at 13:52:01
hmm, I am really not an authoritative source on these questions, was I was just gonna add my thoughts.
If the supernatural mood and mania symptoms definitely did not appear prior to phenelzine(nardil), and the last twelve years were nothing but a dark hole, I'd think it's unlikely you actually suffer from bipolar disorder.. but phenelzine might cause mania in you, which surely isn't good, and I thought that when ADs produce mania this is quite a big problem for the ongoing treatment with that drug..
but I see your situation where you are not sure whether you're feeling "just good" or "just too good", so whether its manic symptoms or not.. what I'd suggest first of all is to not add any other drugs if you stay on phenelzine, and wait until this initial phase that jedi described should be over.. then try to evaluate the situation.. I would definitely suggest that you get in contact with some sort of psychologist, psychotherapist, etc., who can help sort out these diagnosis questions..
but as I said, I know little about phenelzine and bipolar, so you might want to ask "experts", possibly via a new thread..
Posted by Hunk20 on May 16, 2010, at 14:35:32
In reply to Re: HELP: Underlying Bipolar? im scared!, posted by europerep on May 16, 2010, at 7:21:00
i would describe my mood prior nardil like this.. 85 % of the time depressed, 15% normal/ok/good
So kind of a depressed bipolar or what..
Posted by Hunk20 on May 19, 2010, at 19:06:03
In reply to Re: HELP: Underlying Bipolar? im scared!, posted by Hunk20 on May 16, 2010, at 14:35:32
Update: so far good experience with nardil.
It kinda kicked me out of my sad depression world. Gotta pinch myself alot.
I guess i just freaked myself out way too much about bipolar. Old bad habits.
Posted by chujoe on May 19, 2010, at 20:52:26
In reply to Re: HELP: Underlying Bipolar? im scared!, posted by Hunk20 on May 19, 2010, at 19:06:03
Great news! Glad you're feeling better. That's a wonderful moment when you look around and notice that you feel good.
Posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 12:40:21
In reply to Re: HELP: Underlying Bipolar? im scared! » Hunk20, posted by chujoe on May 19, 2010, at 20:52:26
Ok people good news..
im kinda doing as horrible as ever and as good as ever. I feel my heart again. I see the whole world in different eyes. I got to say this is the first time i gave any antidepressant a try and i went for the hardest but there is no more important thing than my soul to me.
Im feeling it, i feel all the pain, and i feel love from people who can give it and i love FEELING. I can even give a little back. To me depression is a disease of the heart. I just looked away because it was too tough to take. And i almost went down feeling it, but i will hold onto it.
Doing lots of therapy, letting it all out, showing people who i really am and its GOOD.
I had an "emotion attack" shivering all over my body and singing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc3Za3jfvJg . It was AWESOME.No i aint hypomanic, im free.
You hang in there guys there is hope i feel for you. You CAN get there!
Will check back in and tell you more if you want to.. im alone in a foreign country (usa) and im finding to myself here
Posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 18:56:02
In reply to NARDIL EPIPHANY GODSENT, posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 12:40:21
Problem is.. it is very hard to take. My whole family is totally f*ck*d up except my mom. And so was i.
They just dont unterstand it wich makes me angry and sad FOR THEM at the same time. I cant have contact with them :(
Posted by Phillipa on May 21, 2010, at 19:58:22
In reply to f*ck*d family, posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 18:56:02
Hunk why? Your mood just completly seemed to change? Phillipa
Posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 21:19:07
In reply to Re: f*ck*d family » Hunk20, posted by Phillipa on May 21, 2010, at 19:58:22
The worst but still the best time of my life.
Nardil makes me see, understand you know.
Had a conversation with my dad and my brother.. they kinda live in a different world. They are far away from me.
I tell my brother that i almost died from this epiphany and i am fighting for my life and he answered "but you have to make some decisions soon" meaning getting into a job and have a lucrative career.F*ck that f*ck the money and f*ck these half dead two people who have no heart you know. They just stumble sh*t and dont even know how sick they are and how sick they made me.
Its real heavy for me to not be depressed, because i see everything now. Nardil blew denial completly away. Got enough to do to heal myself and they seem hopeless to me.
I need all my strength for this now.
Kinda gotta give them up.
On the other hand i have stripper girl and i been completly open and honest with her.. and shes propably coming over soon:)
Hope to feel another bit of real love again soon(not the tainted, fake kind.. i didnt know anything else prior to this epiphany).she must have a real good heart because otherwise she wouldnt have dealt with this. Im hoping the best. You know you open yourself completly and the people that are bad for you go away by themselves..
Posted by Phillipa on May 21, 2010, at 22:06:50
In reply to Re: f*ck*d family, posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 21:19:07
Hi Hunk I must say I'm a bit concerned about you. Are you on the correct pdoc doseage of nardil? Not using anything you shouldn't or eating. I'm trusting you to reply. Phillipa
Posted by jedi on May 21, 2010, at 23:51:14
In reply to Re: f*ck*d family, posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 21:19:07
Hi HUNK20,
This is Jedi again. Following your posts, you do seem to be experiencing the hypomania that I experienced when Nardil first kicked in for me. You do not have to be Bipolar to have this reaction to Nardil. After reading posts here for many,many years it seems to be quite common. Like Scott said you can get 3 hours sleep and feel like that is just plenty. It was a long time ago, but there were nights when I got working on a project and I did not sleep at all. You really need to talk to your PDOC about these feelings. You probably have already. For a person who is not bipolar, I believe the initial hypomania will soon pass. It can be kind of a downer, but the medication can still work. As I mentioned before, try not to make big life changes while in this state. Your perceptions can be somewhat skewed, and you can make decisions that you will regret later. Anyway, my friend, you are just sounding a little wired. Talk to your doc and get through these initial stages.
Take care and be well,
Jedi
> The worst but still the best time of my life.
>
> Nardil makes me see, understand you know.
>
> Had a conversation with my dad and my brother.. they kinda live in a different world. They are far away from me.
> I tell my brother that i almost died from this epiphany and i am fighting for my life and he answered "but you have to make some decisions soon" meaning getting into a job and have a lucrative career.
>
> F*ck that f*ck the money and f*ck these half dead two people who have no heart you know. They just stumble sh*t and dont even know how sick they are and how sick they made me.
>
> Its real heavy for me to not be depressed, because i see everything now. Nardil blew denial completly away. Got enough to do to heal myself and they seem hopeless to me.
>
> I need all my strength for this now.
>
> Kinda gotta give them up.
>
> On the other hand i have stripper girl and i been completly open and honest with her.. and shes propably coming over soon:)
> Hope to feel another bit of real love again soon(not the tainted, fake kind.. i didnt know anything else prior to this epiphany).
>
> she must have a real good heart because otherwise she wouldnt have dealt with this. Im hoping the best. You know you open yourself completly and the people that are bad for you go away by themselves..
>
Posted by violette on May 22, 2010, at 0:20:55
In reply to Re: f*ck*d family, posted by Hunk20 on May 21, 2010, at 21:19:07
Hopefully you are just adjusting to your new med, but to be frank, your reaction sounds like the type of mania that can progress into a delusional, psychotic breakthough. Not trying to scare you, but hoping you ask your gf to keep an eye on you for now and that you keep in regular contact with your pdoc.Its great your are feeling better and I hope it works out for the best. Just be cautious is all I am saying.
Posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 3:41:27
In reply to be careful » Hunk20, posted by violette on May 22, 2010, at 0:20:55
folks i am fine. there is not just meds there is psychological side. a really hurt heart.
i would like to just shake my father/brother or slap them in the face real hard to wake them up and see what i see.
I have to give them up and its really really hard.I didnt get sleep because of the conversation of my dad thats maybe also why i felt so f*ck*d. he is just hopeless.
you know my family is full of tainted and fake care.
anyways.. pray for me im having a really really tough life situation.. im in a foreign country with all this. detaching from half my family because they dont even know how to speak to someone. how to be close to someone. they have no ideatrying to stay close to the people that can. that have a strong good heart.
money yes, everything else NO. its a really sick background im coming from. i almost hate money right now
Posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 3:46:29
In reply to Re: f*ck*d family/Reply » Hunk20, posted by jedi on May 21, 2010, at 23:51:14
jedi, my two psychologists agree that im doing exactly the stuff that i need right now.
im in really close supervision, if i go nuts i will realize. But thank you.
i will take an antipsychotic in my wallet but i think its alright anyways. I do NOT feel fine with 3 hours i usually get like 6 and i get tired in the afternoon.
Please dont freak me out.. my situation is tough enough
Posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 11:49:28
In reply to Re: be careful, posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 3:41:27
by the way im on 45 mg and my energy levels are normal. I just sometimes get f*ck*d, when i talk to these guys. thats where all my issues are coming from. because of THEM i was really f*ck*d the last 20 years.
i went to hookers(my bro told me its no big deal and i should try), spent heaps of money, stripclubs, tried to soothe myself with money.. pot, wrong friends, was doing everything so the two of them accept me. had to act in a certain way to be accepted. and its still not different.
(where did i just learn that?)
my dad controls everyone with his money.. and has 0 balls, just his money. a complete pussyhe is not able to show any closeness to people, just fake words.
thats why my parents broke up when i was 5! and the f*ck*d thing is he doesnt even know what my mom and i are talking about.
The truth can really f*ck you ya know. Epiphany is a beautiful thing but a really hard one
Posted by jedi on May 22, 2010, at 13:03:15
In reply to Re: f*ck*d family/Reply, posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 3:46:29
> jedi, my two psychologists agree that im doing exactly the stuff that i need right now.
>
> im in really close supervision, if i go nuts i will realize. But thank you.
>
> i will take an antipsychotic in my wallet but i think its alright anyways. I do NOT feel fine with 3 hours i usually get like 6 and i get tired in the afternoon.
>
> Please dont freak me out.. my situation is tough enough
>
Hi Hunk20,
I sure wasn't trying to freak you out. If I did I apologize. I just wanted to let you know that some of the things you are going through when you first start on Nardil are common side effects. I went through some similar things many years ago.
Be Well,
Jedi
Posted by violette on May 22, 2010, at 13:08:55
In reply to Re: be careful, posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 3:41:27
You said you are coming out of denial, and it hurts tremendously to feel this pain, and to add to that, your family is in denial, and has always been in denial, which is also very painful to realize after all of these years. You repressed that painful awareness with addictions and have come to realize that.
And, you have close psychiatric supervision, in addition to antipsychotics to take if needed, to deal with the emotional flooding and the overwhelmment of the emotional experience.
You are also mourning your childhood upon recognizing what you had missed out on due to your family relations.
Congratulations, it sounds as if you are on the road to recovery. Take good care.
Posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 15:14:19
In reply to Re: be careful, posted by violette on May 22, 2010, at 13:08:55
thanks violette..
it feels really good most of the time. good to be me:) open up to people now and tell them that im a f*ck*d up guy but im trying my best xD girls love that. you know a guy in touch with his feelings.
Its just that my self confidence is still somewhat dependant from these people. (dad + bro)
And when i talk to them they communicate bad stuff to me below the surface you know. It still f*cks me up sometimes.
Anyways Jedi i am sure its not the medication. I spoke up to someone giving me sh*t about me trying to heal and talking about it and got kicked outta the host family. Alone in a hotel room.
Im going a tough road and often stones are thrown in my way. When that happens i have the sleepless nights. There are always good reasons for the distress im feeling.
Normally i get 6-7 hours.
Thanks for you caring about me though.
Get back to you soon.
Posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 20:47:26
In reply to Re: be careful, posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 15:14:19
My brother that manipulative bitchass..
just because they are too scared to do what i do. Im the youngest by far in this family and im the only one brave enough to face myself.
Now he is like "get back to me when you live a normal life again and stop thinking about you and your crap day and night"
good to know that i can throw him in the trash
Posted by Phillipa on May 22, 2010, at 22:00:25
In reply to They still have power over me, posted by Hunk20 on May 22, 2010, at 20:47:26
Hi Hunk get some sleep in? Weather good or bad? Phillipa
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