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Posted by 4WD on February 22, 2008, at 20:44:58
I have thoroughly looked over the standard list of prohibited foods and at Elizabeth's short list. No where is ham, or bacon listed. Is it okay to eat ham and bacon? What about those little packages of lunchmeat that come in a pouch - ham, beef, chicken, turkey, etc.?
Marsha
Posted by stargazer2 on February 22, 2008, at 21:04:23
In reply to Nardil diet question - ham? bacon? lunchmeat?, posted by 4WD on February 22, 2008, at 20:44:58
4WD,I eat ham and bacon and haven't ever thought that I shouldn't. I have never had any problem with it. I would think the same for the other packaged meats. The main meats to avoid would be something like most sausages that are aged like salami or pepperoni.
Most of the diet is overblown and alot of the forbidden foods are fermented or aged.
I adapted to this diet easily and only had amild reaction once to pizza, which I went a bit overboard on.
Any foods that I'm uncertain about, I eat a tiny bit and stop and reconsider since the thought of a reaction is too scarey.
I had a reaction to using an amphetamine with Nardil and it was quite severe. The most important thing is to avoid any meds that may be contraindicated with Nardil. I'm not familiar with them all but others here may be or there are lists you can get online by googling MAO's, adverse reactions with other medications or something like that.
Why did you stop Cymbalta and how long have you been dealing with depression? I took Cymbalta at 30 mg, was very,very tired, and then at 60mg and couldn't get out of bed for a week. It was one of the worst AD's for me. Show how we all differ in what works.
Stargazer
Posted by 4WD on February 22, 2008, at 21:59:35
In reply to Re: Nardil diet question - Yes, all are OK, posted by stargazer2 on February 22, 2008, at 21:04:23
I stopped the Cymbalta because after 4-5 months I was still depressed. It didn't help with anxiety either. I also had constant severe heartburn with Cymbalta. i have been on an antidepressant of one sort or another since 1986. I was depressed long before that but self medicated with opiates and taking too much Ativan. Before the opiates, I self medicated with speed.
I actually got much better in 1986 when i was put on imipramine. The side effects were pretty awful but I didn't know any better and just tolerated them. Then my doctor took me off imipramine and put me on Prozac when it came out. I did more or less okay for about 8 years except for the Prozac insomnia, then it pooped out. I was switched to Effexor and that helped immensely for 4-5 years (insomnia much less also>
Then in 2001 a series of traumatic events started unfolding. My mom got alzheimer's, lots of money issues with my sister about paying her bills and my dad's for assisted living. This was mostly ongoing trauma for 2-3 years. Then in 2004 my Effexor pooped out , my father died in July and Hurricane Ivan came and devasted the town where I live (Gulf Coast of Alabama). I started seeing a psychiatrist in September and it had been a merry-go round since then of different meds and combinations of meds - at least 30, maybe more. Nothing has worked. Klonopin and Geodon help a bit but I am still deeply depressed and very anxious (it's more like scared than anxious).
So Nardil is kind of a last resort. I pray it works for me and that I am able to tolerate the side effects.
As a side note, Cymbalta had the same effect on my husband as on you. He couldn't stay awake.
Marsha
> 4WD,I eat ham and bacon and haven't ever thought that I shouldn't. I have never had any problem with it. I would think the same for the other packaged meats. The main meats to avoid would be something like most sausages that are aged like salami or pepperoni.
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> Most of the diet is overblown and alot of the forbidden foods are fermented or aged.
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> I adapted to this diet easily and only had amild reaction once to pizza, which I went a bit overboard on.
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> Any foods that I'm uncertain about, I eat a tiny bit and stop and reconsider since the thought of a reaction is too scarey.
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> I had a reaction to using an amphetamine with Nardil and it was quite severe. The most important thing is to avoid any meds that may be contraindicated with Nardil. I'm not familiar with them all but others here may be or there are lists you can get online by googling MAO's, adverse reactions with other medications or something like that.
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> Why did you stop Cymbalta and how long have you been dealing with depression? I took Cymbalta at 30 mg, was very,very tired, and then at 60mg and couldn't get out of bed for a week. It was one of the worst AD's for me. Show how we all differ in what works.
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> Stargazer
Posted by medjuggler on February 23, 2008, at 8:33:49
In reply to Nardil diet question - ham? bacon? lunchmeat?, posted by 4WD on February 22, 2008, at 20:44:58
> I have thoroughly looked over the standard list of prohibited foods and at Elizabeth's short list. No where is ham, or bacon listed. Is it okay to eat ham and bacon? What about those little packages of lunchmeat that come in a pouch - ham, beef, chicken, turkey, etc.?
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> MarshaAs already said, all are fine. BUT I'd be carefull of anything that has been 'smoked', ie smoked bacon. Although I've never had a reaction to it, I suspect that alot of smoked bacon from supermarkets aren't really smoked but rather just given that flavour, especially the cheaper stuff. But I'm no expert in food manufacturing so not 100% sure. But if you KNOW its been authentically smoked then I'd stay away.
And of course make sure its all fresh & not past its sell-by date.
mj
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