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Posted by AdamCanada on January 11, 2008, at 3:48:13
My main point about Gabapentin is at half way down the post :)
Ok I had a huge downward spiral around late decemeber all the way towards a few days ago.
On paxil 9.0-9.5 MG, and clonazepam, and ritalin, and gabapentin... and taking protein powder shakes daily... and then i tried Creatine for extra weight gain....
I began to really go downhill and I didn't know why. I stopped the Creatine yet kept on taking Protein powder which I may stop too if I can find a weight gain solution so i am not some skinny brat that no girl would want... i need that extra weight because with it all of a sudden women Would actually want me.
So anyway....
The Gabapentin.... Desperately trying to find a solution for losing my huge sex drive (sex drive surged after i dropped 10mg paxil into 9.5 and even lower), and loss of motivation, loss of social ability, anxiety increase, you name it...
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I needed a solution. I stopped gabba for 3 days and felt just as rotten as usual. Then I tried it again... 200mg... along with taking ritalin a bit earlier and clonazepam too... and of course paxil at noon (much earlier). So I took this Gabapentin around 5pm... just to see what the heck it might do...AND ALL OF A SUDDEN after 5-10-20 or however many minutes I felt this miracle of wanting to talk to people again. I felt ALIVE and my sex drive surged too. It was unbelievable how huge this difference was. My motivation? Went up as well. I actually wanted to persue finding photoshoots and I wanted to meet up with my old friends (still do). That day I took 200mg again and then later at night 100mg again... My motivation to meet women and sex drive were really up there... I would be talking to these girls and having um ''inappropriate'' discussions lol for 6+ hours.... and able to orgasm several times compared to not wanting to in the past entire week.
So yes... it was quite the miracle... My intellectual ability not quite restored but I still felt so social.
Now has been the 2nd day... that I have tried this Gabapentin... The effect.... is lower.... but it is still there and... i do feel social enough to talk to people, meet people, make plans, do photography, have sex,....
I feel like I can do all of that again but... when I took that protein powder today (thursday night) i felt like crap for a good 3+ hours until that effect went away. So maybe I should stop that all together and just stuff myself with food as much as possible to fight my fast metabolism.
I just hope I can remain this way because I want to meet women and I do not want to dissapoint. I want to meet up with my friends and I want to be able to be social and funny and whatnot....
So I hope it all goes well and I will try a different brand of protein powder when i get some darn money. I am so sick of being almost broke. But... I am glad that I do not feel like hell anymore... this Gabapentin really has worked. Whatever it is doing to my brain. And I dont mean to be graphic but my testicles have GROWN in size and appear so much fuller.... what on earth this medication is doing? Who knows. Maybe increasing blood circulation in my body and down there... Who knows. But I am enjoying it.
Does Gabapentin have a tendency to poop out after a while? or does it generally maintain it's same effect on people for a long long time? because day 2 was not as good as Day 1.
Thanks for reading and any advice on anything I wrote would be much appreciated.
Posted by cumulative on January 11, 2008, at 5:27:02
In reply to Gabapentin Miracle for social anx and Libido wow, posted by AdamCanada on January 11, 2008, at 3:48:13
Brief comment offhand, the type of thinking that says women will only be interested in you if your body is a certain way is neurotic. It will worsen depression, and is not even true -- response from the opposite sex is usually far more a function of, for instance, confidence. You might want to look into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, honestly. Now, I'm friends and research buddies with a number of bodybuilders, and I definitely support it if the mind is healthy about it all. I think the hobby/way-of-life/what-have-you tends to attract a lot of neurotic individuals, though (not my observation, but from one of the bodybuilders -- Dante on mindandmuscle).
Posted by ny2bk on January 11, 2008, at 7:16:57
In reply to Re: Gabapentin Miracle for social anx and Libido w, posted by cumulative on January 11, 2008, at 5:27:02
I did not find him to say that at all.I believe his main point was he now feels confident not to be socialy petrafied to talk to woman.
When social avoidance has your stumbling over your words when talking to a woman,the transition of actualy being your self and speaking freely,maybe even joking,or slight flirt is a incredable feeling,and thats what i got out of his post,how happy he is to be social for a change and the freedom he feels.
I say this as a opinion nothing more,but it seemed as though your were discredting his treatment and instead advising cbt.
Letting him know of the beinifts of cbt and presenting is as a option is great,i just feel you seemed to discredit his treatment and instead advocate over it cbt.
I have followed this fellows posts and felt his dispair and urgency,and im very happy he found some reliaf.I also give him kudos for being very cautious and careful when he spoke of a very dangerous topic such as the sexual part of his recent body.
There is no cure,no correct treatment,just trial and error,and options,and personaly if someone finds any option to bring some form of relieaf without bodly harm i comend them and envy them lol.
Cheers hope your success continues.
fyi My personal opinion here,which is all it is nothing more and no disrespect intended,is backed by being a serious lifter myself.
> Brief comment offhand, the type of thinking that says women will only be interested in you if your body is a certain way is neurotic. It will worsen depression, and is not even true -- response from the opposite sex is usually far more a function of, for instance, confidence. You might want to look into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, honestly. Now, I'm friends and research buddies with a number of bodybuilders, and I definitely support it if the mind is healthy about it all. I think the hobby/way-of-life/what-have-you tends to attract a lot of neurotic individuals, though (not my observation, but from one of the bodybuilders -- Dante on mindandmuscle).
Posted by cumulative on January 11, 2008, at 17:48:29
In reply to Re: Gabapentin Miracle for social anx and Libido w, posted by ny2bk on January 11, 2008, at 7:16:57
>I did not find him to say that at all.
"if I can find a weight gain solution so i am not some skinny brat that no girl would want... i need that extra weight because with it all of a sudden women Would actually want me."
>i just feel you seemed to discredit his treatment and instead advocate over it cbt.
Sorry, medicine is great, and bodybuilding is cool too, but maintaining the thinking patterns referenced (quite clearly) above is NOT going to be helpful. It will be harmful. Perhaps the medication will help over time in taking a more healthy view of things.
Posted by ny2bk on January 11, 2008, at 19:22:08
In reply to Re: Gabapentin Miracle for social anx and Libido w, posted by cumulative on January 11, 2008, at 17:48:29
> >I did not find him to say that at all.
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> "if I can find a weight gain solution so i am not some skinny brat that no girl would want... i need that extra weight because with it all of a sudden women Would actually want me."
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> >i just feel you seemed to discredit his treatment and instead advocate over it cbt.
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> Sorry, medicine is great, and bodybuilding is cool too, but maintaining the thinking patterns referenced (quite clearly) above is NOT going to be helpful. It will be harmful. Perhaps the medication will help over time in taking a more healthy view of things.I agree with your views,and i also think he seems to be very LOUD in actions if that makes sense,meaning here and there,but i know how untreated depression combined with being foreced to carry out a normal life,i.e kids job etc,can cause such chaous.
Re reading the posts i agree with both,its just a monster of a illness.
Posted by AdamCanada on January 13, 2008, at 0:03:41
In reply to Re: Gabapentin Miracle for social anx and Libido w, posted by cumulative on January 11, 2008, at 5:27:02
> Brief comment offhand, the type of thinking that says women will only be interested in you if your body is a certain way is neurotic. It will worsen depression, and is not even true -- response from the opposite sex is usually far more a function of, for instance, confidence. You might want to look into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, honestly. Now, I'm friends and research buddies with a number of bodybuilders, and I definitely support it if the mind is healthy about it all. I think the hobby/way-of-life/what-have-you tends to attract a lot of neurotic individuals, though (not my observation, but from one of the bodybuilders -- Dante on mindandmuscle).
Um hate to break it you mister ''you need cognitive behavioural therapy'' but i have seen the difference first hand.
When I put on weight and worked out a lot... and the protien changed the way my face looked (unlike a kid anymore) women would notice and all of a sudden instead of being ignored by women I would be drooled over because of my appearance.
Appearance is the first thing a person sees (in real life) and that is what can lead to conversation and more.
This is reality as people are naturally more attracted to people whom look more appealing.
So yes I'll continue to take care of my body thanks.
Posted by AdamCanada on January 13, 2008, at 0:10:40
In reply to Re: Gabapentin Miracle for social anx and Libido w, posted by ny2bk on January 11, 2008, at 7:16:57
> I did not find him to say that at all.I believe his main point was he now feels confident not to be socialy petrafied to talk to woman.
>
> When social avoidance has your stumbling over your words when talking to a woman,the transition of actualy being your self and speaking freely,maybe even joking,or slight flirt is a incredable feeling,and thats what i got out of his post,how happy he is to be social for a change and the freedom he feels.
>
> I say this as a opinion nothing more,but it seemed as though your were discredting his treatment and instead advising cbt.
>
> Letting him know of the beinifts of cbt and presenting is as a option is great,i just feel you seemed to discredit his treatment and instead advocate over it cbt.
>
>
> I have followed this fellows posts and felt his dispair and urgency,and im very happy he found some reliaf.
>
> I also give him kudos for being very cautious and careful when he spoke of a very dangerous topic such as the sexual part of his recent body.
>
> There is no cure,no correct treatment,just trial and error,and options,and personaly if someone finds any option to bring some form of relieaf without bodly harm i comend them and envy them lol.
>
> Cheers hope your success continues.
>
> fyi My personal opinion here,which is all it is nothing more and no disrespect intended,is backed by being a serious lifter myself.
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> > Brief comment offhand, the type of thinking that says women will only be interested in you if your body is a certain way is neurotic. It will worsen depression, and is not even true -- response from the opposite sex is usually far more a function of, for instance, confidence. You might want to look into Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, honestly. Now, I'm friends and research buddies with a number of bodybuilders, and I definitely support it if the mind is healthy about it all. I think the hobby/way-of-life/what-have-you tends to attract a lot of neurotic individuals, though (not my observation, but from one of the bodybuilders -- Dante on mindandmuscle).
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>Thanks for the support. Some people need to understand that not everything can be cured with simple conversation or so called ''therapy''. Some people have serious mental illness that needs to be treated with medication just like you would treat diabetes or cancer and whatnot.
The brain is a part of the body and it can develop illnesses just like any other.
I myself.... do not feel that tremendous boost that I recieved before but evenings do feel pretty decent. My sex drive is not super high... it was yesterday night though WOW. And today I dont feel as ''up'' there as I was before. Same with the social aspect. But I am still able to talk to people, enjoy myself, and have a sex drive so I guess it's fine. It's better than being miserable that's for sure! lol.
Maybe I feel a little worse today because I been taking less and less protein powder (which initially would give me such headaches and seem to worsen my depression/anx etc...). Strange.
I'll see how I feel after some protein shake tonight... those amino acids... who knows what on earth they really do to me.
Posted by Mikez on January 13, 2008, at 0:36:42
In reply to Ty for support and my current status... » ny2bk, posted by AdamCanada on January 13, 2008, at 0:10:40
Hey adam good to hear... does this help you sleep as well? I have heard people taking it for that... and also what is your main diagnosis? Thanx
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