![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 11 of 11. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by nellie7 on December 3, 2007, at 12:10:21
Hi,
Is there any assumed connection between psychosis and histamine levels? Could there be a correlation between worsening of allergic symptoms and an increase in symptoms of psychosis?
TIA,
Nellie.
Posted by Phillipa on December 3, 2007, at 12:16:37
In reply to histamine and psychosis, posted by nellie7 on December 3, 2007, at 12:10:21
Would that mean that people with allergies would be psychotic? And arent a lot of ad histimine? Phillipa
Posted by rskontos on December 3, 2007, at 13:22:21
In reply to histamine and psychosis, posted by nellie7 on December 3, 2007, at 12:10:21
Nellie, i remember a discussion on this but not sure if it was this board or on crazy meds.us, Check the archives and if not go to crazymeds.us. That is their new site.
All I remember is that there is a correlation but I can't remember the specifics. But no Phillipa it is not as easy as you stated. Maybe it was a thread started by Linkadge. Maybe not. I will try to remember and do research.
rk
Posted by star008 on December 3, 2007, at 15:14:33
In reply to Re: histamine and psychosis, posted by rskontos on December 3, 2007, at 13:22:21
I can't add much to this one but I do know that severe imbalances in the body can cause psychosis. Even something taht seems simple like an electrolite imbalance can make you nuts.. Hope u find your answer.. I am sure you will. Almost everythng is out there somewhere on the net
Posted by rskontos on December 3, 2007, at 15:24:59
In reply to histamine and psychosis, posted by nellie7 on December 3, 2007, at 12:10:21
Nellie, yes if you go to the archives or type in histamine and psychosis in the search you will get a whole page on google with links to previous threads on Babble with discussions on this subject and topics related to this.
rk
Posted by Jimmyboy on December 3, 2007, at 17:16:41
In reply to Re: histamine and psychosis, posted by star008 on December 3, 2007, at 15:14:33
Yes, acccording to some theories there is a conncetion. I think I saw something that most schizophrenic patients have messed up histamine levels... This is more of an "alternative" theory of depression, although certainly as valid as any other explaination, since no one knows what causes it for different people. I would search the alternative board, I know I participated in a discussion about that over there not long ago.
JB
Posted by bleauberry on December 3, 2007, at 17:44:08
In reply to histamine and psychosis, posted by nellie7 on December 3, 2007, at 12:10:21
> Hi,
>
> Is there any assumed connection between psychosis and histamine levels?YES.
Could there be a correlation between worsening of allergic symptoms and an increase in symptoms of psychosis?
YES.
>
> TIA,
> Nellie.If you want to excite all of the neurotransmitters, and this can be done for the no joy in life type of depression, take histadine supplements which convert directly to histamine. Not recommended if there is even a hint of allergy.
Unsusually high histamine as well as unusually low histamine are both linked to psychosis and depression. This is actually one of the primary things the Pfeiffer Institute tests for when treating psychiatric patients. Their information on a net search is worth exploring.
The question though is why would histamine be too high or too low? Genetic defect. Immune system malfunction. Heavy metal burden/toxicity.
Posted by yxibow on December 4, 2007, at 1:55:00
In reply to Re: histamine and psychosis, posted by bleauberry on December 3, 2007, at 17:44:08
> > Hi,
> >
> > Is there any assumed connection between psychosis and histamine levels?
>
> YES.
>
> Could there be a correlation between worsening of allergic symptoms and an increase in symptoms of psychosis?
>
> YES.
>
> >
> > TIA,
> > Nellie.
>
> If you want to excite all of the neurotransmitters, and this can be done for the no joy in life type of depression, take histadine supplements which convert directly to histamine. Not recommended if there is even a hint of allergy.
>
> Unsusually high histamine as well as unusually low histamine are both linked to psychosis and depression. This is actually one of the primary things the Pfeiffer Institute tests for when treating psychiatric patients. Their information on a net search is worth exploring.
>
> The question though is why would histamine be too high or too low? Genetic defect. Immune system malfunction. Heavy metal burden/toxicity.
>
>This is in the "alternate research" category, so one can choose to believe what they believe. Its natural for people with autistic children to reach out to even the most fringe beliefs of heavy metals and fluoridation and all sorts of things because to this date we are just uncracking the puzzles of autism by scientific method.
Now to histamine, its a case of causation is not causality and reverse research. Overingestion or poisoning by compounds such as promethazine and Actifed (pseudoephedrine) have been case reported in scientific journals as causation of psychosis. This isn't terribly surprising as pseudoephedrine is distantly related to amphetamine and promethazine is a rather old antihistamine without modern methods of testing. Same with anything that has any remote relation to belladona.
Histidine supplements, also alternative drugs, amino acids.
There are literally millions of people out there walking around with Claritin in them. There aren't vast reports of mental illness, nor are there vast reports of mental illness in people who have allergies who need something like Allegra. That's a bit of a stretch.
"even something taht seems simple like an electrolite imbalance can make you nuts."
If you've already got a genetic neurochemical imbalance I imagine playing with lithium without a license could do something odd.
Electrolytes as we know them -- sodium and potassium, and to an extent calcium, are vital to the body's functioning. Its why when you've vomited or have diarrhea it is recommended to drink something like Gatorade or even more balanced, Pedialyte or the like. All the above affect heart function, intracellular transmission, etc.
Posted by nellie7 on December 4, 2007, at 14:19:13
In reply to histamine and psychosis, posted by nellie7 on December 3, 2007, at 12:10:21
Posted by elanor roosevelt on December 4, 2007, at 22:51:47
In reply to Thank you all (nm), posted by nellie7 on December 4, 2007, at 14:19:13
nellie
you're not taking anti-histamines
are you?
Posted by nellie7 on December 5, 2007, at 10:54:09
In reply to Re: Thank you all, posted by elanor roosevelt on December 4, 2007, at 22:51:47
> nellie
> you're not taking anti-histamines
> are you?No, actually I'm not. I figure the fewer meds the better :)
Nellie.
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Medication | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.