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Posted by Bonnie_CA on June 4, 2006, at 15:10:14
Not only have I not found a shred of evidence suggesting that Prozac is good for GAD, my own experience is proving that it is possibly worse for my GAD. I took my dose a little while ago, and as I sit here feeling the agitation and nervousness coming on, I think about how I wish my doctor seemed to know what he was doing. I'm sorry, but seriously, I looked it all up. Zoloft would have been the logical next choice. And when he prescribed the prozac, he was like "oh I could flip a coin, they all do the same thing." Do I really want someone treating my GAD that takes such a lacksidasical approach?
Blah. I'm gonna ask my GP for Zoloft, he's 10 times the doctor my pdoc is. Stupid restrictive HMO. :-\ I'd switch pdocs but I'm not sure it would help much. I hate my HMO.
Just to recap, I have taken BuSpar, Wellbutrin (that stuff made me super hyper), Paxil, Celexa, Effexor, and now Prozac. I take Xanax for situational anxiety, and I think I'm going to give up completely on Klonopin now because it doesn't work as well as the Xanax and it makes me depressed. So, there's my drugs. Well, at least the relevant drugs. I also take a BCP but it has no effect on my anxiety (maybe relieves the anxiety of getting pregnant LOL).
I can't wait 'til I have a teaching job and I can get my own insurance. My husband (who never visits the doctor) can keep the crappy cheap HMO, I'll get some good insurance (PPO I hope!) so I can get good mental health care. My HMO doesn't even have long term counseling. It's so lame. They have these silly group classes to help a person "manage" their anxiety, depression, whatever the class is about. Personally, I don't want to do that in a group. I want to do that one on one, with a nice, caring therapist (that I have yet to find anyway).
I hate Prozac, I hate my pdoc, and I hate my HMO.
Time to take some xanax before I completely freak out. *sigh*
-Bonnie
Posted by heaven help me on June 4, 2006, at 20:12:33
In reply to I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by Bonnie_CA on June 4, 2006, at 15:10:14
Thanks for being real. It makes me feel good and THAT is a gift. Thank you
blessings
mary
Posted by Phillipa on June 4, 2006, at 21:46:32
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by heaven help me on June 4, 2006, at 20:12:33
Your're right about the pdocs. If I had a GP who would prescribe pschotropic meds that's who I'd go to. Mine is a moron too. l0minutes and the script pad comes out. Prozac is activating. What dose did he start you on as I've heard low dose prozac is good for anxiety . Around 5mg. Love Phillipa
Posted by Bonnie_CA on June 4, 2006, at 22:03:41
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by Phillipa on June 4, 2006, at 21:46:32
I'm on 20mg of prozac.... he started me on 10mg. This is the same doc that had me just stop taking 75 mg of effexor and start taking 10 mg of prozac ("Oh, you shouldn't have any withdrawal effects, you're on such a low dose"). I thought I was gonna die (felt so horrible), so I started taking 37.5 mg for awhile until I could withdraw from the effexor. I absolutely hate him. I wish I could change docs.
-Bonnie
> Your're right about the pdocs. If I had a GP who would prescribe pschotropic meds that's who I'd go to. Mine is a moron too. l0minutes and the script pad comes out. Prozac is activating. What dose did he start you on as I've heard low dose prozac is good for anxiety . Around 5mg. Love Phillipa
Posted by willyee on June 5, 2006, at 1:18:10
In reply to I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by Bonnie_CA on June 4, 2006, at 15:10:14
Effexor withdraw aint nooo joke.That was meee first drug,i stopped it and docs,and since at that time,19 many a years ago,the new meds were DEEMED TOTALY SAFE,not even having the small cautions they now have,and let me tell u i thought i was going crazy,god i look back i was only 19,i dident have a puter less alone the internet,i dident know nothing i know now,to me it had nothing to do with the SAFE DRUG i just stopped,but rahter i was going crazy.
My mind went grey,i had no feeling of my being,randomd spurts of adrenaline rushes id walk around non stop,uh it was scary.
The only thing i believe got me through it,honestly or id have taken DRASTIC measures,was the BIG OLE BAD KLONOPIN,yeah the DANGEROUS klonopin.I was so scared to use it then too,since THAT WAS THE BAD drug.Things prob would have been that much easier.Anyhoo i feel ur pain,on this newest doc,on my first visit,i sat there,in her office,looked around and the classic paintings,fancy fancy furntirue,and looked for a shred of something that would give the impression im actualy in a docters office.......nothing no gloves,no needles,no doc room smell,no uncomfortable seats,i actualy was sitting n prob a very expensive chair,if i were just dropped there i would think im in a luxury apartment,about the only thing that would tip me off would be the HUGE diplomas PLASTERED on the wall.
There needs to be serious changes,but i dont think were gonna see it in our lifetime,bummer huh,well at least we still have seindfeld re runs to count on!
Posted by heaven help me on June 5, 2006, at 8:18:22
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by willyee on June 5, 2006, at 1:18:10
Ya know, I see a Physician's Assistant for all my meds (fired my pdoc a while ago). This PA is GREAT!!!! He knows his meds, he listens to me and spends as much time as I need, he includes my ideas/thoughts in his decisions. Guess I am REALLY blessed. Maybe consider a knowledgable PA? I see it as sort of the same difference between an OB Dr. and midwife,
blessings
mary
Posted by Crazy Horse on June 5, 2006, at 13:35:25
In reply to I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by Bonnie_CA on June 4, 2006, at 15:10:14
> Not only have I not found a shred of evidence suggesting that Prozac is good for GAD, my own experience is proving that it is possibly worse for my GAD. I took my dose a little while ago, and as I sit here feeling the agitation and nervousness coming on, I think about how I wish my doctor seemed to know what he was doing. I'm sorry, but seriously, I looked it all up. Zoloft would have been the logical next choice. And when he prescribed the prozac, he was like "oh I could flip a coin, they all do the same thing." Do I really want someone treating my GAD that takes such a lacksidasical approach?
>
> Blah. I'm gonna ask my GP for Zoloft, he's 10 times the doctor my pdoc is. Stupid restrictive HMO. :-\ I'd switch pdocs but I'm not sure it would help much. I hate my HMO.
>
> Just to recap, I have taken BuSpar, Wellbutrin (that stuff made me super hyper), Paxil, Celexa, Effexor, and now Prozac. I take Xanax for situational anxiety, and I think I'm going to give up completely on Klonopin now because it doesn't work as well as the Xanax and it makes me depressed. So, there's my drugs. Well, at least the relevant drugs. I also take a BCP but it has no effect on my anxiety (maybe relieves the anxiety of getting pregnant LOL).
>
> I can't wait 'til I have a teaching job and I can get my own insurance. My husband (who never visits the doctor) can keep the crappy cheap HMO, I'll get some good insurance (PPO I hope!) so I can get good mental health care. My HMO doesn't even have long term counseling. It's so lame. They have these silly group classes to help a person "manage" their anxiety, depression, whatever the class is about. Personally, I don't want to do that in a group. I want to do that one on one, with a nice, caring therapist (that I have yet to find anyway).
>
> I hate Prozac, I hate my pdoc, and I hate my HMO.
>
> Time to take some xanax before I completely freak out. *sigh*
>
> -BonnieI understand how you feel. My GP is a lot better Doc than my Pdoc is. In my opinion pdocs tend to be Lazy..."let's see, we'll try you on...prozac for awhile and see how it goes." Sh*t, i could do that! And it's in for 5 mins. and see ya in a month...geez doc thanks for the help!! *@#*# you!!
My GP is much more thorough, takes his time, checks for drug interactions, and always asks if there is anything else he can do for me. I really think the majority of shrinks are in it for the money, not because they genuinely want to help people. It sucks!Monte
Posted by Bonnie_CA on June 5, 2006, at 15:04:23
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron. » Bonnie_CA, posted by Crazy Horse on June 5, 2006, at 13:35:25
>
> I understand how you feel. My GP is a lot better Doc than my Pdoc is. In my opinion pdocs tend to be Lazy..."let's see, we'll try you on...prozac for awhile and see how it goes." Sh*t, i could do that! And it's in for 5 mins. and see ya in a month...geez doc thanks for the help!! *@#*# you!!
> My GP is much more thorough, takes his time, checks for drug interactions, and always asks if there is anything else he can do for me. I really think the majority of shrinks are in it for the money, not because they genuinely want to help people. It sucks!
>
> MonteSeriously! 5 minutes, "let's try you on this!" It bothers me that I feel like I know more about these drugs than he does, and he went to college for it! I mean, all psychiatrists have to do is know about drugs affecting the brain... and yet it's the GPs (that have to remember A LOT more stuff) that end up knowing more about it. I haaaaaaaaaate my pdoc! If I wanted to just experiment with ADs, just let me into the pharmacy and I'll pick my own, sheesh!
-Bonnie
Posted by Bonnie_CA on June 5, 2006, at 15:06:48
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by heaven help me on June 5, 2006, at 8:18:22
> Ya know, I see a Physician's Assistant for all my meds (fired my pdoc a while ago). This PA is GREAT!!!! He knows his meds, he listens to me and spends as much time as I need, he includes my ideas/thoughts in his decisions. Guess I am REALLY blessed. Maybe consider a knowledgable PA? I see it as sort of the same difference between an OB Dr. and midwife,
> blessings
> maryYou are lucky... the only reason I even went to a pdoc in the first place was because my GP said he didn't feel comfortable treating my condition (don't blame him, it really isn't his job anyway). I'm going to talk to my GP again though, and tell him that *I* don't feel comfortable having the PDOC treat my condition LOL.
-Bonnie
Posted by Jakeman on June 5, 2006, at 21:19:51
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by heaven help me on June 5, 2006, at 8:18:22
I'm seeing a PA now too, (actually a prescribing RN)... it's been better than any psychiatrist I've ever been too. She listens! First time I had a 90 minute appointment... she's actually interested in research I've done about possible treatments. And she knows her stuff.
warm regards, Jake
> Ya know, I see a Physician's Assistant for all my meds (fired my pdoc a while ago). This PA is GREAT!!!! He knows his meds, he listens to me and spends as much time as I need, he includes my ideas/thoughts in his decisions. Guess I am REALLY blessed. Maybe consider a knowledgable PA? I see it as sort of the same difference between an OB Dr. and midwife,
> blessings
> mary
Posted by cecilia on June 6, 2006, at 2:52:17
In reply to I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by Bonnie_CA on June 4, 2006, at 15:10:14
Bonnie, your pdoc may indeed be a moron (a common trait among docs, in my experience), but I wouldn't necessarily count on Zoloft being better for you than Prozac. Both are quite stimulating, in my experience. Still, it's worth a try, everyone responds differently to meds. Cecilia
Posted by Bonnie_CA on June 6, 2006, at 4:53:13
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by cecilia on June 6, 2006, at 2:52:17
It's the last SSRI that I haven't had. The other remaining SSRIs are somehow related to others that I have already had. I don't know that it would work, but it there is more evidence that Zoloft is good for anxiety disorders than Prozac. Sometimes I wonder if I just needed a higher dose of Celexa. *sigh*
-Bonnie
> Bonnie, your pdoc may indeed be a moron (a common trait among docs, in my experience), but I wouldn't necessarily count on Zoloft being better for you than Prozac. Both are quite stimulating, in my experience. Still, it's worth a try, everyone responds differently to meds. Cecilia
Posted by pulse on June 6, 2006, at 17:47:08
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by cecilia on June 6, 2006, at 2:52:17
i'm glad cecelia said this re: zoloft.
i found it MORE stimulating than prozac (keep in mind i LIKE some stimulation). also quality of sleep was even worse than prozac, (IF i got any sleep at all!), and took me another week to 'work' - prozac 3 vs. zoloft 4. also, zoloft is, imo, the very worst promoter of teeth-clenching of all the ads, all classes.
in ohio, even to this day, docs will still usually PUSH zoloft before ANY other ad. guess the drug reps are still wining and dining them, 'etc.'
pulse
Posted by Bonnie_CA on June 6, 2006, at 20:07:42
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by pulse on June 6, 2006, at 17:47:08
> i'm glad cecelia said this re: zoloft.
>
> i found it MORE stimulating than prozac (keep in mind i LIKE some stimulation). also quality of sleep was even worse than prozac, (IF i got any sleep at all!), and took me another week to 'work' - prozac 3 vs. zoloft 4. also, zoloft is, imo, the very worst promoter of teeth-clenching of all the ads, all classes.
>
> in ohio, even to this day, docs will still usually PUSH zoloft before ANY other ad. guess the drug reps are still wining and dining them, 'etc.'
>
> pulse
>I'm willing to give Zoloft a shot... like I said at the end of my other post there, I wonder if I could have just used a higher dose of Celexa. The Celexa worked, it just kinda pooped out at 20 mg and then 40 mg. I guess I could always go back to Paxil, get really fat and never have sex. *sighs again*
-Bonnie
Posted by deuce224 on June 6, 2006, at 23:55:24
In reply to Re: I think my pdoc is a moron., posted by heaven help me on June 5, 2006, at 8:18:22
I have to agree with you mary, my psychiatrist was a pompous a@%. So I decided to switch to a PA and she actually listens to me and seems to have more knowledge. Plus it's cheaper. I think that it is tough to find a quality psychiatrist or any other doctor for that matter.
joe> Ya know, I see a Physician's Assistant for all my meds (fired my pdoc a while ago). This PA is GREAT!!!! He knows his meds, he listens to me and spends as much time as I need, he includes my ideas/thoughts in his decisions. Guess I am REALLY blessed. Maybe consider a knowledgable PA? I see it as sort of the same difference between an OB Dr. and midwife,
> blessings
> mary
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