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Posted by Tepiaca on September 26, 2005, at 22:08:34
Do you believe Nardil is good for Melancholic
depression?
I am passing through a very hard moment right now
I lost someone very important to me.
I dont eat,I am not hungry
I wakeup all nigths at midgniht and start crying
is Nardil good for this kind of depression?
Posted by Phillipa on September 26, 2005, at 22:23:51
In reply to Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by Tepiaca on September 26, 2005, at 22:08:34
Tepiaca, I'm so sad for you. I'm sorry I can't answer the nardil question for you. Maybe babblemail Ed_uk , Link, med_empowered. Hopefully a nardil user will answer your Thread. I'm so sorry you're still so sad. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by iforgotmypassword on September 26, 2005, at 22:30:14
In reply to Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by Tepiaca on September 26, 2005, at 22:08:34
some sources seem to say no, but then i'd wonder why sorta... (?)
typically arent trycyclics supposed to be the mainstay for this type of depression? and then there would be effexor and remeron (and especially the combo of the two), and even zoloft apparently...
it seems to logical to think either remeron or an antipsychotic could help. since their mechanism of action is shared by the tricyclics to some degree... and their 5-ht2a antagonism eases cortisol levels apparently, and elevated cortisol is supposed to be associated with this type of depression, right?
i don't know why they say remeron can't be used with MAOIs, but if you wanted to be safe you could try zyprexa "zydis" (if insurance covered it) it might bypass some sedation and risk of weight gain side effects that seem so common...
Posted by ed_uk on September 27, 2005, at 14:30:41
In reply to Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by Tepiaca on September 26, 2005, at 22:08:34
Dear Tep,
Are you taking Nardil at the moment? Nardil can be effective for many different types of depression.
I'm very sorry for your loss,
~ed
Posted by tecknohed on September 27, 2005, at 15:00:40
In reply to Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by Tepiaca on September 26, 2005, at 22:08:34
>
> Do you believe Nardil is good for Melancholic
> depression?
> I am passing through a very hard moment right now
> I lost someone very important to me.
> I dont eat,I am not hungry
> I wakeup all nigths at midgniht and start crying
>
> is Nardil good for this kind of depression?
>
>
>I'm very sorry for your loss. Losing someone close is a constant worry of my own.
I take Nardil and find it actually makes me sleep too much and I eat lots, but after about 5 weeks its started to help alot (I've been on it before). So it may well help your appetite, and I think it'll definitely help with your sleep and crying spells. I used to often feel tearfull, but on Nardil I've never cried once. This could be a good or bad thing, depending on how you look at it, but it sounds like you've done enough grieving and need a break!
You say "melancholic". Does that mean you often sit motionless and rarely feel like doing anything? Although Nardil isn't a stimulant, it can certainly help to motivate, mentally rather than physically.
One common problem with Nardil is side effects which can be pretty annoying to say the least. They seem to come on around the same time as the benefits (3 weeks or so) and some of them can last several months, BUT THEY DO GO - eventually.
I'm no expert, these are just my thoughts, but I would say Nardil could indeed be very effective for you. Just bear in mind that it can be a 'temperamental' medication which requires much patience and tolerance but the rewards can be great.
Good luck. Kev.
Posted by Tepiaca on September 27, 2005, at 23:01:27
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help » Tepiaca, posted by Phillipa on September 26, 2005, at 22:23:51
> Tepiaca, I'm so sad for you. I'm sorry I can't answer the nardil question for you. Maybe babblemail Ed_uk , Link, med_empowered. Hopefully a nardil user will answer your Thread. I'm so sorry you're still so sad. Fondly, Phillipa
thanks philipa,
I can´t stop thinking about her. This is making me crazy. Im very sad
Posted by Tepiaca on September 27, 2005, at 23:04:16
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by iforgotmypassword on September 26, 2005, at 22:30:14
> some sources seem to say no, but then i'd wonder why sorta... (?)
>
> typically arent trycyclics supposed to be the mainstay for this type of depression? and then there would be effexor and remeron (and especially the combo of the two), and even zoloft apparently...
>
> it seems to logical to think either remeron or an antipsychotic could help. since their mechanism of action is shared by the tricyclics to some degree... and their 5-ht2a antagonism eases cortisol levels apparently, and elevated cortisol is supposed to be associated with this type of depression, right?
>
> i don't know why they say remeron can't be used with MAOIs, but if you wanted to be safe you could try zyprexa "zydis" (if insurance covered it) it might bypass some sedation and risk of weight gain side effects that seem so common...thank you for your post Iforgotmyasword
do you believe Seroquel could help?
I am only taking 12.5 mg at nigth
Posted by Tepiaca on September 27, 2005, at 23:09:58
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on September 27, 2005, at 14:30:41
> Dear Tep,
>
> Are you taking Nardil at the moment? Nardil can be effective for many different types of depression.
>
> I'm very sorry for your loss,
>
> ~edHi ed.
Yes, im on Nardil at the moment. I hope It can help me for this depression. Many years without feeling this bad. I had forgot how it feels to be real depressed,. In some way my meds had helped me to control this feeling in the past.
Posted by Tepiaca on September 27, 2005, at 23:15:27
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help » Tepiaca, posted by tecknohed on September 27, 2005, at 15:00:40
> >
> > Do you believe Nardil is good for Melancholic
> > depression?
> > I am passing through a very hard moment right now
> > I lost someone very important to me.
> > I dont eat,I am not hungry
> > I wakeup all nigths at midgniht and start crying
> >
> > is Nardil good for this kind of depression?
> >
> >
> >
>
> I'm very sorry for your loss. Losing someone close is a constant worry of my own.
>
> I take Nardil and find it actually makes me sleep too much and I eat lots, but after about 5 weeks its started to help alot (I've been on it before). So it may well help your appetite, and I think it'll definitely help with your sleep and crying spells. I used to often feel tearfull, but on Nardil I've never cried once. This could be a good or bad thing, depending on how you look at it, but it sounds like you've done enough grieving and need a break!
>
> You say "melancholic". Does that mean you often sit motionless and rarely feel like doing anything? Although Nardil isn't a stimulant, it can certainly help to motivate, mentally rather than physically.
>
> One common problem with Nardil is side effects which can be pretty annoying to say the least. They seem to come on around the same time as the benefits (3 weeks or so) and some of them can last several months, BUT THEY DO GO - eventually.
>
> I'm no expert, these are just my thoughts, but I would say Nardil could indeed be very effective for you. Just bear in mind that it can be a 'temperamental' medication which requires much patience and tolerance but the rewards can be great.
>
> Good luck. Kev.thank you kev
I have taken Nardil for the last 2 years. I stop taking it one month ago, but then I had to return to it because I got depressed.
I had never lost my apetite neither my sleep. this is my first time on this kind of depression
that is why I asked if Nardil could help this time.
Posted by Declan on September 27, 2005, at 23:17:21
In reply to Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by Tepiaca on September 26, 2005, at 22:08:34
Hi Tep
I don't know if this is true of you, but I think if you miss someone it means that they are alive in your heart, whether or not you have lost them forever. The loss you feel is humane and very touching.
Declan
Posted by iforgotmypassword on September 28, 2005, at 3:46:41
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help » Tepiaca, posted by Declan on September 27, 2005, at 23:17:21
the 5ht2a antagonism by seroquel could help as well, i hope. you may need to push the dose higher for that effect though... it seems lower doses like 12.5mg are primarily useful for sleep. the antihistamine effect may be very potent, but i'm not sure if the anti-5ht2a would be. if you can't tolerate the sedative effects would zyprexa still be an option?
ps. i really hope you feel better soon. the person you lost is very lucky to have someone like you to care so much for them.
Posted by tecknohed on September 28, 2005, at 4:05:53
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by Tepiaca on September 27, 2005, at 23:15:27
> thank you kev
> I have taken Nardil for the last 2 years. I stop taking it one month ago, but then I had to return to it because I got depressed.
> I had never lost my apetite neither my sleep. this is my first time on this kind of depression
> that is why I asked if Nardil could help this time.
>
>
>
I see. Well the Nardil should help I think, it just seems to take a little longer second time around in my experience. And increasing the dose can do sudden wonders! (though be carefull and stop at 90mg if you can) Augmentation might help, as would adding a benzodiazepine, BUT that may shut off too many feelings which you may or may not want to do.The most important thing I think is that you can talk to someone about your troubles, preferably face to face. Are you haveing councelling/therapy?
Best wishes, Kev.
Posted by ed_uk on September 28, 2005, at 14:23:22
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help, posted by Tepiaca on September 27, 2005, at 23:15:27
Hi Tep,
What dose of Nardil are you on atm? Will you increase?
~Ed
Posted by Tepiaca on October 1, 2005, at 19:49:44
In reply to Re: Nardil - melancholic depression - help » Tepiaca, posted by ed_uk on September 27, 2005, at 14:30:41
guys thank you very much all of you.
Yes Im on Nardil 45mg. Today I went to take
a personality test. I told my doctor that
I spent 2 months off medicines, maybe I dont need too much medicine, just small doses. I feel more normal when I take small ones. But rigth now I need to get out of this depression first. Maybe in some months I could try without meds again.
I feel a little sad in this moment.Thank you very much guys !
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