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Posted by Paulbwell on May 19, 2005, at 21:57:17
i had terrible excess salivation (would always be spitting:( ) on this and i'm sure it caused depression, (funny Cause i'v read it's a 5ht releaser) Ritalin masked this somewhat, I was taken off it 6mgs daily, (by a different PsyDoc who commented the this dose was what a hospital inpatient with psychosis would be on--EEK) and put on Valium for a benzo reduction, starting at 40mgs daily down to 20mgs now, valium can cause depression, but i find less so.
It was VERY effective for panic symptoms, but i don't get them so much now.
Anyone else?
Cheers folks
Posted by Phillipa on May 19, 2005, at 22:23:14
In reply to Klonopin causeing depression? Salivation? comments, posted by Paulbwell on May 19, 2005, at 21:57:17
It's me again! You already know klonopin caused depression in me. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by 4WD on May 20, 2005, at 15:57:53
In reply to Klonopin causeing depression? Salivation? comments, posted by Paulbwell on May 19, 2005, at 21:57:17
> i had terrible excess salivation (would always be spitting:( ) on this and i'm sure it caused depression, (funny Cause i'v read it's a 5ht releaser) Ritalin masked this somewhat, I was taken off it 6mgs daily, (by a different PsyDoc who commented the this dose was what a hospital inpatient with psychosis would be on--EEK) and put on Valium for a benzo reduction, starting at 40mgs daily down to 20mgs now, valium can cause depression, but i find less so.
>
> It was VERY effective for panic symptoms, but i don't get them so much now.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Cheers folksThat's odd. Klonopin gives me a dry mouth, even at .5mg a day. It does make me somewhat depressed.
Marsha
Posted by Cairo on May 20, 2005, at 18:15:41
In reply to Klonopin causeing depression? Salivation? comments, posted by Paulbwell on May 19, 2005, at 21:57:17
I was just started on Klonopin (.5mg HS and .25mg in the AM) for panic attacks induced by Topamax. While the panic attacks have stopped, I certainly do feel very lethargic, totally without motivation and depressed. I don't know if this is the Klonopin or maybe just my brain readjusting after the Topamax debacle. I think too much 5-HT causes problems in me as I've never been able to tolerate any SSRI due to side effects and they don't have any effect on my atypical depression symptoms. Everyone seems to be on the "raise serotonin" bandwagon for depression, but some of us are cut from a different cloth. I'm waiting for pregabalin to come out in the next couple of weeks. Bet it will work for anxiety in me as Neurontin helped mellow me out.
Cairo
> i had terrible excess salivation (would always be spitting:( ) on this and i'm sure it caused depression, (funny Cause i'v read it's a 5ht releaser) Ritalin masked this somewhat, I was taken off it 6mgs daily, (by a different PsyDoc who commented the this dose was what a hospital inpatient with psychosis would be on--EEK) and put on Valium for a benzo reduction, starting at 40mgs daily down to 20mgs now, valium can cause depression, but i find less so.
>
> It was VERY effective for panic symptoms, but i don't get them so much now.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Cheers folks
Posted by 4WD on May 21, 2005, at 22:12:27
In reply to Re: Klonopin causeing depression? Salivation? comm, posted by Cairo on May 20, 2005, at 18:15:41
> I was just started on Klonopin (.5mg HS and .25mg in the AM) for panic attacks induced by Topamax. While the panic attacks have stopped, I certainly do feel very lethargic, totally without motivation and depressed. I don't know if this is the Klonopin or maybe just my brain readjusting after the Topamax debacle. I think too much 5-HT causes problems in me as I've never been able to tolerate any SSRI due to side effects and they don't have any effect on my atypical depression symptoms. Everyone seems to be on the "raise serotonin" bandwagon for depression, but some of us are cut from a different cloth. I'm waiting for pregabalin to come out in the next couple of weeks. Bet it will work for anxiety in me as Neurontin helped mellow me out.
>
> Cairo
I'm curious since SSRIs don't work well for me either and I can never take a full dose because of side effects. What kind of side effects are you talking about?Marsha
Posted by Cairo on May 22, 2005, at 8:12:55
In reply to Re: Klonopin causeing depression? Salivation? comm » Cairo, posted by 4WD on May 21, 2005, at 22:12:27
Extreme muscle tightness, jaw tremors, interrupted sleep, restlessness, sweating. This on 1/4 of a regular dose of any of the SSRIs. Prozac was the worst, given it's long half life. Two months of hell on that one. Had the same symptoms trying Effexor XR, low dose, opening up capsules and counting pellets. Cymbalta at 5mg was better, but while I had much more energy, it didn't do anything for depression or pain at that dose.
I use trazodone 50mg for sleep, but that seems to be ok, unless it's worsening my myofascial pain and I don't realize it. But I need something for sleep and traz seems to help. It could be that the combo of traz with the SSRIs made the serotonin overload type symptoms worse, but I needed the traz to sleep. The Effexor XR was tried without being on trazodone, so I think I'm just sensitive to the SSRI effect.
Cairo
> I'm curious since SSRIs don't work well for me either and I can never take a full dose because of side effects. What kind of side effects are you talking about?
>
> Marsha
>
Posted by 4WD on May 23, 2005, at 21:32:28
In reply to Re: Klonopin causeing depression? Salivation? comm, posted by Cairo on May 22, 2005, at 8:12:55
> Extreme muscle tightness, jaw tremors, interrupted sleep, restlessness, sweating. This on 1/4 of a regular dose of any of the SSRIs. Prozac was the worst, given it's long half life. Two months of hell on that one. Had the same symptoms trying Effexor XR, low dose, opening up capsules and counting pellets. Cymbalta at 5mg was better, but while I had much more energy, it didn't do anything for depression or pain at that dose.
>
> I use trazodone 50mg for sleep, but that seems to be ok, unless it's worsening my myofascial pain and I don't realize it. But I need something for sleep and traz seems to help. It could be that the combo of traz with the SSRIs made the serotonin overload type symptoms worse, but I needed the traz to sleep. The Effexor XR was tried without being on trazodone, so I think I'm just sensitive to the SSRI effect.
>
> Cairo
> > I'm curious since SSRIs don't work well for me either and I can never take a full dose because of side effects. What kind of side effects are you talking about?
> >
> > Marsha
You know, I was on Prozac for nine years. I never attributed the insomnia or the extreme pain in my neck and shoulders to the drug. I saw chiropractors, pain specialists, had two cervical epidurals, trigger point injections, everything. And then I switched from Prozac to Effexor and the pain in my neck pretty much went away. I started falling asleep in half an hour instead of two -three hours also. I can't believe I went through that. Even after switching to Effexor and getting relief, when I'd tell that to my doctors, they'd act like I was crazy. They'd "never heard of" muscle tension as a side effect of Prozac. Too bad the Effexor quit working after 4-5 years.I still get the muscle tension on any SSRI. I take half doses of Celexa because of that issue. I sleep fine now except I wake up too early often. I'll take that over inability to fall asleep anyday.
Marsha
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