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Carbohydrates and weigth ****Larry Hover*******

Posted by Tepiaca on October 11, 2003, at 19:48:52

Hi larry
Ive been 7 weeks on Nardil . I have noticed a little weigth gain . I want to take care very closely this side effect.
I was reading about carbohydrates and Nardil , and found that these and the low metabolism are the principal cause of weight gain on Nardil
Althougth I was reading about carbohydrates(without Nardil) and It says they help to maintain your weigth. Am I right ??? Im a little confuse about this

Can you tell me a good advice about the carbohydrates you think I can eat??
Shoul I stway away from all of them ??
How can I maintain my weigth while on Nardil?
do you know something about this larry ??

Hope you can reply larry , I know you are a very intelligent person and know alot about all this stuff

Thanks
Tep

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Tepiaca

Posted by Larry Hoover on October 12, 2003, at 9:04:18

In reply to Carbohydrates and weigth ****Larry Hover*******, posted by Tepiaca on October 11, 2003, at 19:48:52

> Hi larry
> Ive been 7 weeks on Nardil . I have noticed a little weigth gain . I want to take care very closely this side effect.
> I was reading about carbohydrates and Nardil , and found that these and the low metabolism are the principal cause of weight gain on Nardil

It seems like Nardil (and other antidepressants like the tricyclics) affect your body's ability to use carbohydrates for energy. It's complicated, but the end result is you store more of that energy as fat, while at the same time, you may develop cravings for carbs. One way of looking at is that you feel like you're starving for carbs, even though they're really in good supply in your diet, because you're not using them efficiently.

> Althougth I was reading about carbohydrates(without Nardil) and It says they help to maintain your weigth. Am I right ??? Im a little confuse about this

There is more opinionated stuff about diet and weight than any topic I can think of. It may seem that I'm going against many of the things people believe about diet and weight gain, but the worst thing you can do is to try and control your weight with a low fat diet. If your diet is low in fat, your liver will simply make fat from carbs. And, the kind of fat the liver makes is ideal for storage. Only a small percentage of dietary fat is in the preferred form for storage.

> Can you tell me a good advice about the carbohydrates you think I can eat??

English is not your first language, is it? I'd recommend you try and find translations of books written by Dr. Atkins, or anything that describes the "Zone" diet. In general terms, these are carbohydrate restricted diets (in other words, high protein, high fat).

> Shoul I stway away from all of them ??

Not all carbs, just certain kinds, and you have to be conscious of the total amount you take in. Carbs should be less than 30% of total calories.

There is a relatively new concept known as the glycemic index. It's a way of comparing carbohydrates on the effect they have on blood sugar concentrations, and thus, their impact on insulin secretion. Sugars quickly raise blood sugar, so you try to avoid sugar. Some starches are better than others. The more processed a starch is, the greater the tendency for having a higher glycemic index. Whole grains are better than refined grains, that kind of thing.

Here's a link: http://www.glycemicindex.com/

> How can I maintain my weigth while on Nardil?

It's going to require some effort, if you develop carbohydrate cravings. The benefit of a high-fat diet is that it can block carb cravings in some people. You have to try it to know, though.

> do you know something about this larry ??

Too much, actually.... ;-)

> Hope you can reply larry , I know you are a very intelligent person and know alot about all this stuff
>
> Thanks
> Tep

You're welcome. Happy to answer more questions.

Lar

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Larry Hoover

Posted by NikkiT2 on October 12, 2003, at 9:12:58

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Tepiaca, posted by Larry Hoover on October 12, 2003, at 9:04:18

Really initeresting post larry.

Do you have any suggestions on what to do when you eat a vegetarian diet?? I have serious carb cravings on most ad's it seems, and I know i eat too much carb.. but when theres no meat in my diet, it seems really difficult to cut down on the carbs - a bowl of pasta sauce is pretty dull after all!! Plus I eat alot of fruit and pulses, and so many vegetables I like seem high in carbs.

A year ago I lost 35lbs doing a low fat / low cal diet (8g fat a day, 800 cals) for 10 weeks.. but that made me really ill (major constipation, and an infection of my stomach lining from not having enough food in stomach) but nothing else I have tried has been succesful.

And I *really* need to lose weight! I know I need to exercise, but theres not many choices for that in my life (live in Central London, so not nice area to walk around really, can't afford gyms, and no swimming pools!!)

Thanks for any advice

Nikki

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » NikkiT2

Posted by Larry Hoover on October 12, 2003, at 9:40:05

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Larry Hoover, posted by NikkiT2 on October 12, 2003, at 9:12:58

> Really initeresting post larry.
>
> Do you have any suggestions on what to do when you eat a vegetarian diet??

I am a *serious* carnivore. Off the top of my head, that presents quite a challenge. Do you do dairy/eggs? That would be where I'd be leaning.

> I have serious carb cravings on most ad's it seems, and I know i eat too much carb.. but when theres no meat in my diet, it seems really difficult to cut down on the carbs - a bowl of pasta sauce is pretty dull after all!! Plus I eat alot of fruit and pulses, and so many vegetables I like seem high in carbs.

They are.... that's the energy storage form for plants.

> A year ago I lost 35lbs doing a low fat / low cal diet (8g fat a day, 800 cals) for 10 weeks.. but that made me really ill (major constipation, and an infection of my stomach lining from not having enough food in stomach) but nothing else I have tried has been succesful.

Calorie restriction does lead to weight loss, whether or not it is fat-restricted as well. However, on isocaloric diets (same total calories), high-fat dieters lose more weight than low-fat dieters. There is a general belief that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, but it doesn't look like it's true, after all.

Here's a link to another thread, and if you stay with it, I post a number of links throughout that get into the details quite thoroughly:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/subs/20030903/msgs/257786.html

Quite frankly, the emperor (low-fat diet) has no clothes.

> And I *really* need to lose weight! I know I need to exercise, but

Sorry, no buts.... ;-)

> theres not many choices for that in my life (live in Central London, so not nice area to walk around really, can't afford gyms, and no swimming pools!!)

Get a stationary bike? A universal gym?

> Thanks for any advice
>
> Nikki

Another thing is to make sure you get enough omega-3 fatty acids. Metabolic syndrome, Syndrome X, insulin resistance, whatever you want to call it, can be blocked by restoring omega-3 fatty acids to the starving body.

Lar

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight

Posted by pelorojo on October 13, 2003, at 7:45:52

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » NikkiT2, posted by Larry Hoover on October 12, 2003, at 9:40:05

Just wanted to add --- "Glycemic Load" has begun to replace "Glycemic Index" as the low-carb concept du jour -- it corrects for the serving size humans actually consume of a given carb -- so while carrots have a high glycemic index, their glycemic load is on the low side because we don't eat pounds of them. Using glycemic index alone removes some 'healthy' carbs like carrots that don't need to be removed from the diet.

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight Larry Hoover

Posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 14:50:20

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » NikkiT2, posted by Larry Hoover on October 12, 2003, at 9:40:05


> Calorie restriction does lead to weight loss, whether or not it is fat-restricted as well. However, on isocaloric diets (same total calories), high-fat dieters lose more weight than low-fat dieters. There is a general belief that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, but it doesn't look like it's true, after all.
>
> Here's a link to another thread, and if you stay with it, I post a number of links throughout that get into the details quite thoroughly:
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/subs/20030903/msgs/257786.html
>
> Quite frankly, the emperor (low-fat diet) has no clothes.
>
> Another thing is to make sure you get enough omega-3 fatty acids. Metabolic syndrome, Syndrome X, insulin resistance, whatever you want to call it, can be blocked by restoring omega-3 fatty acids to the starving body.
>
> Lar


** The link you listed in the aforementioned thread appears to be non-functional. Do you have another link?

I've been trying to find a working diet plan to go along with my exercise plan and just seem to end up sitting at the same maxed-out 'healthy bmi' (@155#) for the past 3 months. I feel like I'm carb (comfort food) addicted and have trouble with hypoglycemia that make it difficult to find the right combination of foods to control everything at once without wanting to toss my scale out the window after a week.

What would you suggest I watch out for and what to substitute? Any help (Larry, or anyone else with an idea) would be appreciated! :)

Thanks muchly!
-Z

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight Larry Hoover » Zarah78

Posted by Larry Hoover on October 13, 2003, at 16:30:15

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight Larry Hoover , posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 14:50:20

>
> > Calorie restriction does lead to weight loss, whether or not it is fat-restricted as well. However, on isocaloric diets (same total calories), high-fat dieters lose more weight than low-fat dieters. There is a general belief that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie, but it doesn't look like it's true, after all.
> >
> > Here's a link to another thread, and if you stay with it, I post a number of links throughout that get into the details quite thoroughly:
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/subs/20030903/msgs/257786.html
> >
> > Quite frankly, the emperor (low-fat diet) has no clothes.
> >
> > Another thing is to make sure you get enough omega-3 fatty acids. Metabolic syndrome, Syndrome X, insulin resistance, whatever you want to call it, can be blocked by restoring omega-3 fatty acids to the starving body.
> >
> > Lar
>
>
> ** The link you listed in the aforementioned thread appears to be non-functional. Do you have another link?

The Gary Taubes article(s)?

Try this one:
http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/The%20soft%20science.pdf

Or this one:
http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/articles/fatlie.shtml

This one has a number of links (embedded and at the bottom of the page), and gives both sides of the "debate":
http://web.mit.edu/knight-science/fellows/inside_the_story/inside_taubes.html

> I've been trying to find a working diet plan to go along with my exercise plan and just seem to end up sitting at the same maxed-out 'healthy bmi' (@155#) for the past 3 months. I feel like I'm carb (comfort food) addicted and have trouble with hypoglycemia that make it difficult to find the right combination of foods to control everything at once without wanting to toss my scale out the window after a week.
>
> What would you suggest I watch out for and what to substitute? Any help (Larry, or anyone else with an idea) would be appreciated! :)
>
> Thanks muchly!
> -Z

High-protein diets tend to also be higher in fat, and they seem to satisfy hunger and cravings without leading to increased calorie consumption.

I won't re-invent the wheel, as Taubes has done an admirable job of covering the issues. In my opinion, his arguments are very well crafted.

Atkins was demonized by the established medical community for many years, but if he was alive today, he'd be getting the last laugh.

Lar

 

Re: Sugar addiction

Posted by Larry Hoover on October 13, 2003, at 17:12:45

In reply to Carbohydrates and weigth ****Larry Hover*******, posted by Tepiaca on October 11, 2003, at 19:48:52

Just published:
http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/sugar.html

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Larry Hoover

Posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 17:14:59

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight Larry Hoover » Zarah78, posted by Larry Hoover on October 13, 2003, at 16:30:15

>> Try this one:
> http://nasw.org/mem-maint/awards/The%20soft%20science.pdf
>
> Or this one:
> http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/articles/fatlie.shtml
>
> This one has a number of links (embedded and at the bottom of the page), and gives both sides of the "debate":
> http://web.mit.edu/knight-science/fellows/inside_the_story/inside_taubes.html
>
> High-protein diets tend to also be higher in fat, and they seem to satisfy hunger and cravings without leading to increased calorie consumption.
>
> I won't re-invent the wheel, as Taubes has done an admirable job of covering the issues. In my opinion, his arguments are very well crafted.
>
> Atkins was demonized by the established medical community for many years, but if he was alive today, he'd be getting the last laugh.
>
> Lar


** Thank you! Very interesting arguments brought up regarding the fatty make-up of the brain. Perhaps my own attempts at a low-fat diet are causing me more troubles with depression and, at times, clarity of thought than what they are worth in very minimal weight loss. Not that I'll be going out to MickeyD's to wolf down 3 bacon double cheeseburgers, super-sized fries and large triple-thick chocolate shake (*drool*), but they definitely bring to light some personal questions regarding an increase in difficulty with blood sugar maintenance and immune system deficiency. Many doctor's seem to be promoting the myth of "all fat is bad for you" despite findings to the contrary. Perhaps I should make some print outs to take with me next visit. :)

In regards to Atkins diets, I've heard people still go too far to the extreme and end up making themselves sick, which only gives the nay-sayers more ammo.

Thank you again! :)
-Z

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Zarah78

Posted by tealady on October 13, 2003, at 22:26:02

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Larry Hoover, posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 17:14:59

>In regards to Atkins diets, I've heard people still go too far to the extreme and end up making themselves sick, which only gives the nay-sayers more ammo.
Zarah, females are probably beter on a diet like "The Zone"(40% protein, 30%fat, 30% carbs(preferably complex))..
Or "The Goddess diet" (40%protein, 35% carbs, 25% fats) or somthing with similar balances.

With hypoglycemia (low blood sugar levels) what may be happening is too much insulin s being dumped into your body as a reaction to too high a carb level..so eating more protein, eating more frequent and smaller meals both help in preventing the higher carb levels...which means you don't get the highere insulin secreted..and don't go so hypoglycemic.

Also some people also get a faint weak feeling from a lowered blood pressure after eating. This may be the stomach suddenly emptying food into the small intestine or "dumping".
I have never tried this, but I have read that taking
TAGAMET (3 times a day before meals)slows down your gastric emptying rate which will control the hypoglycemic "dumping" syndrome..if you get this.

Also some meds alter insulin response....but this is way beyond me.
Jan

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » tealady

Posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 22:46:19

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Zarah78, posted by tealady on October 13, 2003, at 22:26:02

More protein helps with the sugar drops? No one has ever really explained why this sudden craze of high protein diets, but I guess that makes sense, considering the carb levels in complex sugars (or vice versa). I dont notice the 'dumping' effect until about 2 hours after eating unless I've had a lot of sweets or a carb-based meal with lots of fruits, with the exception of fruit as snacks. The sudden plunge takes about 10-20 min after eating an apple as an energy boosting snack to tide me over until lunch time or dinner. I usually end up needing something more substantial within an hour or I really feel sick. This whole mess ends up being pretty confusing for me, but I have noticed one thing that helps control my sugar: milk! What is milk? Protein? Carb? Fat? (usually 1% "chalk water" that my boyfriend leaves all for me.) :)

I'm hoping that if I can get my diet more balanced it might help me deal with the mood swings and such, then maybe I'll start losing weight with the exercise finally!! Motivation/ambition seem to be my biggest adversaries in getting out to the gym as often as I'd like.

Thank you! :)
-Zarah78

PS- Are all carbs bad for people with blood sugar issues or just the sugary kind? What kinds are good/safe, if any?


> Zarah, females are probably beter on a diet like "The Zone"(40% protein, 30%fat, 30% carbs(preferably complex))..
> Or "The Goddess diet" (40%protein, 35% carbs, 25% fats) or somthing with similar balances.
>
> With hypoglycemia (low blood sugar levels) what may be happening is too much insulin s being dumped into your body as a reaction to too high a carb level..so eating more protein, eating more frequent and smaller meals both help in preventing the higher carb levels...which means you don't get the highere insulin secreted..and don't go so hypoglycemic.
>
> Also some people also get a faint weak feeling from a lowered blood pressure after eating. This may be the stomach suddenly emptying food into the small intestine or "dumping".
> I have never tried this, but I have read that taking
> TAGAMET (3 times a day before meals)slows down your gastric emptying rate which will control the hypoglycemic "dumping" syndrome..if you get this.
>
> Also some meds alter insulin response....but this is way beyond me.
> Jan
>
>
>
>

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Zarah78

Posted by tealady on October 14, 2003, at 3:39:04

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » tealady, posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 22:46:19

> More protein helps with the sugar drops? No one has ever really explained why this sudden craze of high protein diets, but I guess that makes sense, considering the carb levels in complex sugars (or vice versa). I dont notice the 'dumping' effect until about 2 hours after eating unless I've had a lot of sweets or a carb-based meal with lots of fruits, with the exception of fruit as snacks.

Well that's how it's supposed to work..about when the insulin overhits if you ate too much carbs

The sudden plunge takes about 10-20 min after eating an apple as an energy boosting snack to tide me over until lunch time or dinner.
Yes, so when you eat an apple also eat somehing that is protein/fat..like eat an apple AND some cheese ..or an apple AND some almonds,&brazil nuts

I usually end up needing something more substantial within an hour or I really feel sick.

That's the too high carb probably. It's worth a try of these diets for starters.


This whole mess ends up being pretty confusing for me, but I have noticed one thing that helps control my sugar: milk! What is milk? Protein? Carb? Fat? (usually 1% "chalk water" that my boyfriend leaves all for me.) :)

OK milk is protein, fat and carbs ..but a 2% milk is in the ratio of the Goddess diet I mentioned..and a wholemilk (the male milk) is in the guidelines of the Atkins diet (probably..as I've not read it)..wholemilk has more fat and a tad less protein.
I use the female milk(1%), but then I also eat cream..which would bring me back in the 2% or over range <g>

Like I just ate some pawpaw..which I love and ain't goin to give up..and I like a tiny bit of raw sugar sprinkled on it..so then I pour on a heap of cream..and then when I eat it I don't go hypoglycemic...I also don't lose weight <g>..the fat in the cream balances out carbs a bit. Then again It's best to eat this after some meat to be sure...

Good snacks/meals during the day would be say
.pineapple and cottage cheese
.low fat yoghurt and some berries
.say 6 almonds and 3 brazil nuts and perhaps some raw veges like a carrot, salad greens, etc
.sardines on 1/2 slice wholemeal toast
.a boiled egg and some spinach/lettuce/parsley
.carrots and cheese
.carrots, celery and a cheese dip
. small apple, slice of cheese,couple of nuts

etc..you have to balance out the carbs with some protein/fat to stop the hypoglycemic thingy happening. Give it a go


not saying you lose weight (it's the portion size here that counts as well as exercise)..but you won't go hypoglycemic.
and you are supposed to eat every 2.5 to 3 hours or so

>
> I'm hoping that if I can get my diet more balanced it might help me deal with the mood swings and such, then maybe I'll start losing weight with the exercise finally!! Motivation/ambition seem to be my biggest adversaries in getting out to the gym as often as I'd like.
>
> Thank you! :)
> -Zarah78
>
> PS- Are all carbs bad for people with blood sugar issues or just the sugary kind? What kinds are good/safe, if any?


No carbs are good..you need some..it's the complex carbs that are good..the highly processed foods ..like white flour, white bread, sugar, sugary jams , lollies etc are bad..
the carbs in veges, fruit etc is good..even a small amount of wholemeal/multigrain bread,
basically just don't sit down to a meal of just potatoes..like Macca's fries is not good as the oils heated are bad and potatoes are too much carb on their own

also white rice is bad..wholemeal rice ..a little is OK, but you will get away with a SMALL portion of white rice if you eat with other food without the hypoglycemic thing happening (just don't do often)

so veges good, fruit good(if sweet ones balanced with some protein), grains..Ok in moderation especially if whole grains etc, but his is where most of the cutting needs to be

If your only trying to overcome the hypoglycemic dumping , you can probably get away occasional slips ..like one slice of white bread and jam(fruit based..not the sugary kind)..provided you also pour on some cream and perhaps eat some salmon, eggs etc first<g>...got the idea? You just can't eat the carbs/sugars on their own. I'll probably get killed for saying this but I think it's true..Of course , it depends on how badly hypoglycemic you are, but most could get away with it. (THis is NOT recommended in the diets, I think)

It's best to try to eat healthy at the same time..
the steak and 3 veg/salad for dinner, or
grilled fish&salad
or salmon/fish for brekkie
Or eggs and bacon with an orange (juice)
Or whole grain (not the fast cook ones) rolled oats and 1% milk with a tiny sprinkling of raw sugar (just not every day)
Or cauliflower/broccoli/carrots in cheese sauce with some turkey
Or chicken and vege soup
etc

Borrow those books from the library..I know the goddess diet has many recipes in it (has US foods in it)..haven't seen the Zone but a lot of folk recommend it


> > With hypoglycemia (low blood sugar levels) what may be happening is too much insulin s being dumped into your body as a reaction to too high a carb level..so eating more protein, eating more frequent and smaller meals both help in preventing the higher carb levels...which means you don't get the higher insulin secreted..and don't go so hypoglycemic.
> >
>
So get the books and give it a go. The Goddess book recommends about 5 small meals a day I think, as the total amount of carbs also causes the dumping..so you really can't just fill up in one meal

Jan

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Zarah78

Posted by tealady on October 14, 2003, at 4:57:29

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » tealady, posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 22:46:19

Zarah, Just try this for a few weeks and see how you go. You have to work out the balance that suits you. You may need slightly higher protein /fats.. in which case only eat 1/2 apple with the nuts other foods etc.
Borrow or buy the books to really get a good idea.

If you do try all this and follow the books and it still doesn't work, let us know as it could be caused by other problems..but it's likely , if plain milk is OK..that these diets will work too.
Jan

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight » tealady

Posted by Zarah78 on October 14, 2003, at 11:01:22

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » Zarah78, posted by tealady on October 14, 2003, at 3:39:04

> OK milk is protein, fat and carbs ..but a 2% milk is in the ratio of the Goddess diet I mentioned..and a wholemilk (the male milk) is in the guidelines of the Atkins diet (probably..as I've not read it)..wholemilk has more fat and a tad less protein.

Eww! Whole milk?! I ended up buying 2% this week cuz the expiration date was better (even tho it will be gone well before that) and I have to cut it with a lil Hershey's syrup just to drink it all! I like the "male milk" joke referring to whole milk. :) I don't like feeling like I need to chew my milk, so I think I'll stick with my 1% and find something else to sub for fat. ;)

I'm trying what you (and others) said today. I've got a little baggy of peanuts, a small cup of cottage cheese, and a slice of cheese to eat with the apple and carrots I brought to snack on. Lunch consists of a chicken & veggie pasta thing and a cup of blackberry-laced yogurt for dessert. ... I should have skipped the coffee, but I needed it after not getting to sleep until 2am and getting up at 7am.

:D Thanks!
-Z

 

Re: Carbohydrates and weight

Posted by Kacy on October 14, 2003, at 15:00:34

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » tealady, posted by Zarah78 on October 14, 2003, at 11:01:22

I can't quote the sources, but I read a spate of articles earlier this year on dairy products. Apparently–all things being equal–people lose more weight on diets that include them. Skim milk was as good as whole. Cheese also worked to increase weight loss. I don't think butter was part of the equation.

 

Re: low-carb and higher calories loses more weight » Zarah78

Posted by Larry Hoover on October 14, 2003, at 17:50:39

In reply to Re: Carbohydrates and weight » tealady, posted by Zarah78 on October 13, 2003, at 22:46:19

In the news today, from:

http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-10-14-0059.html

"In the study, 21 overweight volunteers were divided into three categories: Two groups randomly assigned to either low-fat or low-carb diets with 1,500 calories for women and 1,800 for men; a third group also low-carb but with an extra 300 calories a day.

The Atkins organization agreed to pay for the research, though it had no input into the study's design, conduct or analysis.

The study was unique because all the food was prepared at an upscale Italian restaurant in Cambridge, Massachusetts, so researchers knew exactly what they ate. Most earlier studies simply sent people home with diet plans to follow as best they could.

Each afternoon, the volunteers picked up that evening's dinner, a bedtime snack and the next day's breakfast and lunch. Instead of lots of red meat and saturated fat, a staple of low-carb diets, they ate mostly fish, chicken, salads, vegetables and unsaturated oils.

Everyone's food looked similar but was cooked to different recipes. The low-carb meals were five per cent carbohydrate, 15% protein and 65% fat. The rest got 55% carbohydrate, 15% protein and 30% fat.

In the end, everyone lost weight. Those on the lower-cal, low-carb regimen took off 23 pounds, while people who got the same calories on the low-fat approach lost 17 pounds. The big surprise, though, was that those who got the extra 300 calories a day of low-carb food lost 20 pounds."


There's something wrong with the quoted percentages on the low-carb diet (adds up to 80%, but I think the protein should have been 35%, not 15%).

Expect to see more evidence soon. Low-fat makes you fat.

Lar

 

Re: low-carb and higher calories loses more weight » Larry Hoover

Posted by Zarah78 on October 14, 2003, at 18:49:43

In reply to Re: low-carb and higher calories loses more weight » Zarah78, posted by Larry Hoover on October 14, 2003, at 17:50:39

That would probably explain why the low-fat & low-cal diet has been getting me nowhere. It actually makes sense that my body would hoard the necessary building blocks my diet lacks. However, I'm now addicted to low-fat milk! But at the same time, I love real cottage cheese so I'm sure there's a compromise there somewhere. In reviewing my eating habits, I think much of my blood sugar issues also lie in the fact that I'm just not eating enough protein. A couple of years ago I tried vegetarianism, but I've also been taught that when the body craves a food, there's a reason. Eventually, my cravings for meat became strong enough for me to overcome the things my ex-boyfriend told me about the "evils of eating flesh" (including something about how eating pork makes your stomach eat itself?? -- I don't really get many pork cravings anyway with the exception of occasional bacon). So, once again, I'm a carnivore, but it seems its on a limited basis.

I just need to start enjoying cooking for myself. I have fun when I cook for others, but I dont get to do that very often. Maybe take a cooking class.. meet more people.. make friends (eeek! strange people who actually /want/ to know me?).. get out of the house for something besides work or absolutely mandatory errands, like, groceries.

Completely off topic for a moment: I'm watching an episode of a WB program called Everwood that's focusing on the stigma of antidepressants. I think there may be a replay of this program on Sundays sometime if anyone is interested. Girl's boyfriend dies, her father is the town doc and refuses to prescribe ADs to her, but she finds out he's given them to her best friend (dead boyfriend's sis) and he still refuses to prescribe them for his own grieving daughter.

Anyway, thank you once again for what is beginning to be a bit of an overload of info.. now to just put it into practical use! :)

Thank you! :)
-Z


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