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Posted by SalArmy4me on April 16, 2001, at 8:07:44
This stuff is for people who are too shy or ashamed to visit a psychiatrist--so they self-medicate with these things that are prescribed for other conditions.
Do you really think that something that makes you high will really stand the test of time and relief all your mental symptoms for good? Besides, how are you going to secure a constant supply of a very controlled substance if it is not prescribed for depression?
{I'm not talking about naltrexone or tramadol here, both of which are opiates but non-addicting}.
Posted by mikes on April 16, 2001, at 12:30:54
In reply to Stop taking codeine, opiates, etc. for depression, posted by SalArmy4me on April 16, 2001, at 8:07:44
Sometimes they do work where ssri's don't. Sure I agree if the person has never been to a psychiatrist before. But I can't really criticize someone who wants strong medicine for depression. And I think there is a very fine line between being high and feeling well.
I for one would like to have a constant and strong serotonergic high, and I am not ashamed of myself for thinking that.
I am getting fed up with ssri's even though I have only tried two, paxil and zoloft. If zoloft doesn't work, I will go through the routine, trying all of the ssri's, then the other classes. I hope something does work. But if not, I'll just end up taking GHB a few times each day to medicate my depression. It works.
> This stuff is for people who are too shy or ashamed to visit a psychiatrist--so they self-medicate with these things that are prescribed for other conditions.
>
> Do you really think that something that makes you high will really stand the test of time and relief all your mental symptoms for good? Besides, how are you going to secure a constant supply of a very controlled substance if it is not prescribed for depression?
> {I'm not talking about naltrexone or tramadol here, both of which are opiates but non-addicting}.
Posted by SalArmy4me on April 16, 2001, at 14:36:17
In reply to Re: Stop taking codeine, opiates, etc. for depression, posted by mikes on April 16, 2001, at 12:30:54
> Sometimes they do work where ssri's don't.
Where is the proof to show that opiates or recreational drugs treat depression effectively if SSRIs fail? I don't see any double-blind, university-sponsored, repetition-confirmed studies that show this.
Let me tell you about GHB. People get treated in an Emergency Room who would ordinary die of GHB and other drug use without medical attention. GHB causes dizziness, numbness, slurred speech, and vomiting in small doses. In larger amounts GHB can cause seizures, respiratory depression, coma and death. GHB is known as the date-rape drug because it knocks people out, sometimes permanently.
Just because you "thought" you had a "safe" trip last time doesn't mean you will next time. The brew can be twice as strong or slightly lower (which can be just as dangerous!!!). Maybe you're not getting high like last time, so you decide to take just a little bit more to get you buzz going...that "little bit more" could be just enough to kill you.
www.ghbkills.com
Posted by stjames on April 17, 2001, at 1:03:54
In reply to Re: Stop taking codeine, opiates, etc. for depression, posted by SalArmy4me on April 16, 2001, at 14:36:17
> > Sometimes they do work where ssri's don't.
>
> Where is the proof to show that opiates or recreational drugs treat depression effectively if SSRIs fail? I don't see any double-blind, university-sponsored, repetition-confirmed studies that show this.
>James here....
In "Listening to Prozac" the doc mentions a small subgroup of depressives who only respond to opiates. These people report not be numbed or stoned but energized and full of life.
James
Posted by SalArmy4me on April 17, 2001, at 1:41:35
In reply to Re: Stop taking codeine, opiates, etc. for depression, posted by stjames on April 17, 2001, at 1:03:54
That's not a scientific book backed by major schools of Psychiatry, as far as I know.
> In "Listening to Prozac" the doc mentions a small subgroup of depressives who only respond to opiates. These people report not be numbed or stoned but energized and full of life.
>
> James
Posted by Lisa Simpson on April 17, 2001, at 3:40:02
In reply to Re: Stop taking codeine, opiates, etc. for depression, posted by mikes on April 16, 2001, at 12:30:54
Hi Mikes.
< < I think there is a very fine line between being high and feeling well. > >
Absolutely. I agree with you totally. It is all very well for people to refer to scientific and medical journals to support their claims, but in the end, surely it is people's individual experiences that are the truth. And the truth is, you are right. Not for everybody, I admit. But certainly for some of us... me included.
Lisa
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