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Posted by ixus on May 24, 2005, at 16:13:33
Hi,
I need your expertise. How should I take Nardil to get the full benefit. I am on 45 for 1 week now. Should I wait or increase the dose? Side effects are as usual: difficulty urinating, anorgasmia, strange metallic taste. Anxiety has gone after 4 days! I saw in your posts that one needs to wait 4-5-6 weeks to get any benefit. How to take 60 if needed? 2-4 times a day? Any comments welcome!
/ixus
Posted by ed_uk on May 24, 2005, at 16:25:21
In reply to Ace and others on Nardil, posted by ixus on May 24, 2005, at 16:13:33
Hi Ixus!
As you know, I'm not on Nardil but.........
>Should I wait or increase the dose?
I think it would definitely be best to stay at 45mg for the time being. It seems to be very effective (for you) at 45mg, it will probably be *even more* effective in a few weeks time :-D Anyway, you are having a few side effects and they might get worse if you increase the dose! Some people find that the anorgasmia disappears after a few months :-)
Kind regards,
Ed.
Posted by BIGDaddyachmed69 on May 24, 2005, at 17:48:34
In reply to Ace and others on Nardil, posted by ixus on May 24, 2005, at 16:13:33
> Hi,
> I need your expertise. How should I take Nardil to get the full benefit. I am on 45 for 1 week now. Should I wait or increase the dose? Side effects are as usual: difficulty urinating, anorgasmia, strange metallic taste. Anxiety has gone after 4 days! I saw in your posts that one needs to wait 4-5-6 weeks to get any benefit. How to take 60 if needed? 2-4 times a day? Any comments welcome!
> /ixusI'm glad to see your anxiety was gone after only four days. I've been on Nardil for a little over two weeks, and am still feeling depressed and apathetic. I'm up to 45, and am going up to 60 in a couple days...I haven't noticed any real side effects. I guess I'm just not at a high enough dose and should wait a few weeks to see if things get better.
Posted by willyee on May 26, 2005, at 11:27:40
In reply to Ace and others on Nardil, posted by ixus on May 24, 2005, at 16:13:33
GREAT UR doing well,go ahead make us envious why dont ya!Just kidding,but man ill tell ya i dont know why i did so bad on Nardil,i rember it made my ocd worse for some reason,the only strange thing is i did not wait for a washout which is know i know is bad,but nevertheless the morning after my last nardil dose i took parnate and had a most extreme remission of depression.Wierd huh
Posted by BIGDaddyachmed69 on May 28, 2005, at 2:32:01
In reply to Re: Ace and others on Nardil, posted by willyee on May 26, 2005, at 11:27:40
> GREAT UR doing well,go ahead make us envious why dont ya!Just kidding,but man ill tell ya i dont know why i did so bad on Nardil,i rember it made my ocd worse for some reason,the only strange thing is i did not wait for a washout which is know i know is bad,but nevertheless the morning after my last nardil dose i took parnate and had a most extreme remission of depression.Wierd huh
I've been thinking about going on Parnate if it turns out Nardil doesn't help my depression...I haven't been on it long enough so it's too early to tell. My OCD seems to have gotten worse. The thing is, my psychiatrist told me MAOIs aren't all that effective for OCD and added that Parnate's a good choice if depression is the primary problem. My question is, you don't have to wait at least 14 days or whatever to switch from one MAOI to another?
Posted by willyee on May 29, 2005, at 3:14:51
In reply to Re: Ace and others on Nardil » willyee, posted by BIGDaddyachmed69 on May 28, 2005, at 2:32:01
> > GREAT UR doing well,go ahead make us envious why dont ya!Just kidding,but man ill tell ya i dont know why i did so bad on Nardil,i rember it made my ocd worse for some reason,the only strange thing is i did not wait for a washout which is know i know is bad,but nevertheless the morning after my last nardil dose i took parnate and had a most extreme remission of depression.Wierd huh
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> I've been thinking about going on Parnate if it turns out Nardil doesn't help my depression...I haven't been on it long enough so it's too early to tell. My OCD seems to have gotten worse. The thing is, my psychiatrist told me MAOIs aren't all that effective for OCD and added that Parnate's a good choice if depression is the primary problem. My question is, you don't have to wait at least 14 days or whatever to switch from one MAOI to another?Technicaly yess,by the books there is a was out period from Maoi to Maoi.I personaly switched without one because i was working a new job and could not afford to A be on a med that wasnt helping and B go through a washout period,i take chances i however am not advocating that to anyone.
I mentioned in a later post that upon restarting parnate the day after stopping nardil parnate wa very powerful and worked better than it had in years,this is a far cry from any interaction i was thinkng my happen in the back of my mind.
I also found while parnate isnt much help for OCD nardil did make it worse for some reason,i rember plastering little holes in my bedroom wall,i shutter uggh .I am disapointed though i wanted it to work,i have since wondered due to my positive reaction what would happen is someone were brave enough and stupid to take less nardil and more parnate but still in semi conjunction.
A nardil dose alone in the morning,and hours later and the rest of the day parnate.
I mentioned how parnate is a reversable MAOI,and i know people will drop jaws at the mention of this idea but the only people who really would impact me would be anyone who has actualy tried it,i say this cause i did it and i felt parnate work the way it did.
Lastly i do rember reading a post of a gentlemen who took both and had a good response,rember TCA`S are a no no yet it wasnt till later on it was found that Amirtplyine was with caution able to be taken with parnate.If i had nardil id try i get parnate through a mail order program and its not worth trying to loose parnate for good.I might purchase it online.
Posted by ace on May 30, 2005, at 1:09:26
In reply to Ace and others on Nardil, posted by ixus on May 24, 2005, at 16:13:33
> Hi,
> I need your expertise.Nardil champ here!
How should I take Nardil to get the full benefit. I am on 45 for 1 week now. Should I wait or increase the dose?By the 4 week mark i would think it best to be on 60mg....then at the 6 week mark raise to 90mg.
Side effects are as usual: difficulty urinating, anorgasmia, strange metallic taste.They pass...be patient
Anxiety has gone after 4 days! I saw in your posts that one needs to wait 4-5-6 weeks to get any benefit. How to take 60 if needed? 2-4 times a day? Any comments welcome!When Nardil is at 90mg it is BRILLIANT for depress and anxiety.
I would take 30mg 3 times a day....
> /ixus
Good luck mate!
Ace
Posted by Chairman_MAO on May 30, 2005, at 20:06:26
In reply to Re: Ace and others on Nardil » ixus, posted by ace on May 30, 2005, at 1:09:26
OT: First off, I was on vacation, so if anyone was trying to contact me via babblemail or email, try again, and I will respond.
I am on week two of Nardil at 90mg, and I love it. I never thought I'd find something that worked better than the Parnate I was on, but indeed it does. I do miss the dopaminergic "push" that Parnate provided, but Nardil's effect on my anxiety is magical. My social phobia and other anxiety issues are simply gone, and I love it. Needless to say, I'm not depressed; I can't wait to see what this is like after two more weeks.
Regarding the anorgasmia: I have a fantastic solution: cabergoline. I take more (500mcg once daily) than the dose recommended for prolactin suppression (500mcg twice weekly), but that is what it took to get a response. I have no side effects from the cabergoline whatsoever, just increased drive and a return of orgasm! There is NO NEED for anyone to suffer this side effect, because cabergoline is available to treat it. It also jacks up the libido quite nicely. My med cocktail:
22.5mg (total 90mg) Nardil qid (taking it this way minimizes the "Nardil nod" that I hope goes away at some point)
4mg buprenorphine sublingual qid (goes wonderfully with the Nardil for both motivation, mood elevation and anxiety)
500mcg cabergoline qdI also take 20mg Cialis fairly regularly, as I buy it (and cabergoline) from a research chemical supplier so I can afford to do this. If anyone needs an affordable source for these, babblemail me and I can help you.
What I'm wondering about Nardil:
1) Has anyone had any success minimizing/eliminating carb cravings and/or weight gain? I am working out 4-5 times per week (30-45 mins cardio + 30-45 mins weight training--IN PUBLIC AT A GYM(!)--neither of which I could do without my meds!) but still worry about gaining weight and/or keeping fat on despite working out. Will this suffice? I try to keep snacking to a minimum, and when I do, I usually make it a piece of fruit or whatnot.
2) Drowsiness. Sometimes about 1-2 hours after I take a dose, I feel like going to sleep, but only if I am sitting still. If I am walking around, I do not get nearly as drowsy. Does this ever go away, or will I have to take modafinil/pemoline/etc for it?
3) Edema. Slight swelling in my feet. Does this ever go away?
Thanks for your help and support, guys. I never imagined such a normal[ly pleasurable] existence was possible! Rather, it seemed as if such a life was reserved for others, but not for me. I am so grateful for my second chance at life at only 25 years old!
Again, if anyone needs an affordable way to obtain tadalafil or cabergoline, babblemail me. There is no reason why anyone should trade a sex life for relief with Nardil.
--cm
Posted by willyee on May 30, 2005, at 21:56:19
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 30, 2005, at 20:06:26
> OT: First off, I was on vacation, so if anyone was trying to contact me via babblemail or email, try again, and I will respond.
>
> I am on week two of Nardil at 90mg, and I love it. I never thought I'd find something that worked better than the Parnate I was on, but indeed it does. I do miss the dopaminergic "push" that Parnate provided, but Nardil's effect on my anxiety is magical. My social phobia and other anxiety issues are simply gone, and I love it. Needless to say, I'm not depressed; I can't wait to see what this is like after two more weeks.
>
> Regarding the anorgasmia: I have a fantastic solution: cabergoline. I take more (500mcg once daily) than the dose recommended for prolactin suppression (500mcg twice weekly), but that is what it took to get a response. I have no side effects from the cabergoline whatsoever, just increased drive and a return of orgasm! There is NO NEED for anyone to suffer this side effect, because cabergoline is available to treat it. It also jacks up the libido quite nicely. My med cocktail:
>
> 22.5mg (total 90mg) Nardil qid (taking it this way minimizes the "Nardil nod" that I hope goes away at some point)
> 4mg buprenorphine sublingual qid (goes wonderfully with the Nardil for both motivation, mood elevation and anxiety)
> 500mcg cabergoline qd
>
> I also take 20mg Cialis fairly regularly, as I buy it (and cabergoline) from a research chemical supplier so I can afford to do this. If anyone needs an affordable source for these, babblemail me and I can help you.
>
> What I'm wondering about Nardil:
>
> 1) Has anyone had any success minimizing/eliminating carb cravings and/or weight gain? I am working out 4-5 times per week (30-45 mins cardio + 30-45 mins weight training--IN PUBLIC AT A GYM(!)--neither of which I could do without my meds!) but still worry about gaining weight and/or keeping fat on despite working out. Will this suffice? I try to keep snacking to a minimum, and when I do, I usually make it a piece of fruit or whatnot.
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> 2) Drowsiness. Sometimes about 1-2 hours after I take a dose, I feel like going to sleep, but only if I am sitting still. If I am walking around, I do not get nearly as drowsy. Does this ever go away, or will I have to take modafinil/pemoline/etc for it?
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> 3) Edema. Slight swelling in my feet. Does this ever go away?
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> Thanks for your help and support, guys. I never imagined such a normal[ly pleasurable] existence was possible! Rather, it seemed as if such a life was reserved for others, but not for me. I am so grateful for my second chance at life at only 25 years old!
>
> Again, if anyone needs an affordable way to obtain tadalafil or cabergoline, babblemail me. There is no reason why anyone should trade a sex life for relief with Nardil.
>
> --cm
I need an affordable source for nardil,im in a program for parnate and i dont wanna take the chance of giving it up if nardil doesent work,the program is very hard to enroll in,my email is brklyn234@yahoo.com......any ideas?
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Posted by gardenergirl on May 31, 2005, at 2:31:56
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 30, 2005, at 20:06:26
I'm so glad to hear that Nardil is helping. Working out in a public gym is a huge accomplishment for someone with social phobia! Good for you. And sounds like a good plan for the anorgasmia. This tends to go away for me in a couple of months or if I decrease my dose.
> What I'm wondering about Nardil:
>
> 1) Has anyone had any success minimizing/eliminating carb cravings and/or weight gain?It sounds like you are being proactive about this. I know it's much more proactive than I have been. I don't kmow if it will be enough, but I'm sure you will do better than I have so far. :( I find I have to not have sweets available to me in order to avoid eating them. If they are in the house, I often binge, something I never did before Nardil. I tried Topamax to try to reduce this, but it ended up making me feel more depressed before I got to a dose that might have affected my appetite.
> 2) Drowsiness. Sometimes about 1-2 hours after I take a dose, I feel like going to sleep, but only if I am sitting still. If I am walking around, I do not get nearly as drowsy. Does this ever go away, or will I have to take modafinil/pemoline/etc for it?I don't think I have this enough to comment on it. I'm on 60 mg, which I take as 2 in the a.m. and one in the afternoon, and one at bedtime.
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> 3) Edema. Slight swelling in my feet. Does this ever go away?This seems dose dependent. I hate to say it, but it has not gone away for good with me. It does come and go, though. Some days are worse than others. I sometimes have to take Lasix when it's bad, which I hate doing. This is one of the reasons I recently added Lamictal in hopes of decresasing my Nardil dose.
Take care,
gg
Posted by Maxime on May 31, 2005, at 9:31:06
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 30, 2005, at 20:06:26
It's great to hear when something works so well so well for people. I really have any answers for your questions, just possible suggestions.
1-Edema - Maybe there is something herbal you can take/drink. Drinking a lot of water might help since it flushes everything out. Check with the Alternative board.
2- Weight Gain - I am possitive that read somewhere that part of the weight gain is from craving carbs and the other is metabolic. The metabolic portion you don't have control over. I haven't been able to find the article.
3- Drowsiness - I saw an article that said it was safe to add Provigil. Of course this might give you anxiety which is what you don't want.
Keep us update if you find the solution to any of these problems.
Maxime
> OT: First off, I was on vacation, so if anyone was trying to contact me via babblemail or email, try again, and I will respond.
>
> I am on week two of Nardil at 90mg, and I love it. I never thought I'd find something that worked better than the Parnate I was on, but indeed it does. I do miss the dopaminergic "push" that Parnate provided, but Nardil's effect on my anxiety is magical. My social phobia and other anxiety issues are simply gone, and I love it. Needless to say, I'm not depressed; I can't wait to see what this is like after two more weeks.
>
> Regarding the anorgasmia: I have a fantastic solution: cabergoline. I take more (500mcg once daily) than the dose recommended for prolactin suppression (500mcg twice weekly), but that is what it took to get a response. I have no side effects from the cabergoline whatsoever, just increased drive and a return of orgasm! There is NO NEED for anyone to suffer this side effect, because cabergoline is available to treat it. It also jacks up the libido quite nicely. My med cocktail:
>
> 22.5mg (total 90mg) Nardil qid (taking it this way minimizes the "Nardil nod" that I hope goes away at some point)
> 4mg buprenorphine sublingual qid (goes wonderfully with the Nardil for both motivation, mood elevation and anxiety)
> 500mcg cabergoline qd
>
> I also take 20mg Cialis fairly regularly, as I buy it (and cabergoline) from a research chemical supplier so I can afford to do this. If anyone needs an affordable source for these, babblemail me and I can help you.
>
> What I'm wondering about Nardil:
>
> 1) Has anyone had any success minimizing/eliminating carb cravings and/or weight gain? I am working out 4-5 times per week (30-45 mins cardio + 30-45 mins weight training--IN PUBLIC AT A GYM(!)--neither of which I could do without my meds!) but still worry about gaining weight and/or keeping fat on despite working out. Will this suffice? I try to keep snacking to a minimum, and when I do, I usually make it a piece of fruit or whatnot.
>
> 2) Drowsiness. Sometimes about 1-2 hours after I take a dose, I feel like going to sleep, but only if I am sitting still. If I am walking around, I do not get nearly as drowsy. Does this ever go away, or will I have to take modafinil/pemoline/etc for it?
>
> 3) Edema. Slight swelling in my feet. Does this ever go away?
>
> Thanks for your help and support, guys. I never imagined such a normal[ly pleasurable] existence was possible! Rather, it seemed as if such a life was reserved for others, but not for me. I am so grateful for my second chance at life at only 25 years old!
>
> Again, if anyone needs an affordable way to obtain tadalafil or cabergoline, babblemail me. There is no reason why anyone should trade a sex life for relief with Nardil.
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Posted by Maxime on May 31, 2005, at 9:35:14
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil, posted by willyee on May 30, 2005, at 21:56:19
> > 4mg buprenorphine sublingual qid (goes wonderfully with the Nardil for both motivation, mood elevation and anxiety)Is this a known effect of the med? The mood elevation portion?
MAxime
Posted by jparsell82 on June 1, 2005, at 15:03:10
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 30, 2005, at 20:06:26
> OT: First off, I was on vacation, so if anyone was trying to contact me via babblemail or email, try again, and I will respond.
>
> I am on week two of Nardil at 90mg, and I love it. I never thought I'd find something that worked better than the Parnate I was on, but indeed it does. I do miss the dopaminergic "push" that Parnate provided, but Nardil's effect on my anxiety is magical. My social phobia and other anxiety issues are simply gone, and I love it. Needless to say, I'm not depressed; I can't wait to see what this is like after two more weeks.
>
> Regarding the anorgasmia: I have a fantastic solution: cabergoline. I take more (500mcg once daily) than the dose recommended for prolactin suppression (500mcg twice weekly), but that is what it took to get a response. I have no side effects from the cabergoline whatsoever, just increased drive and a return of orgasm! There is NO NEED for anyone to suffer this side effect, because cabergoline is available to treat it. It also jacks up the libido quite nicely. My med cocktail:
>
> 22.5mg (total 90mg) Nardil qid (taking it this way minimizes the "Nardil nod" that I hope goes away at some point)
> 4mg buprenorphine sublingual qid (goes wonderfully with the Nardil for both motivation, mood elevation and anxiety)
> 500mcg cabergoline qd
>
> I also take 20mg Cialis fairly regularly, as I buy it (and cabergoline) from a research chemical supplier so I can afford to do this. If anyone needs an affordable source for these, babblemail me and I can help you.
>
> What I'm wondering about Nardil:
>
> 1) Has anyone had any success minimizing/eliminating carb cravings and/or weight gain? I am working out 4-5 times per week (30-45 mins cardio + 30-45 mins weight training--IN PUBLIC AT A GYM(!)--neither of which I could do without my meds!) but still worry about gaining weight and/or keeping fat on despite working out. Will this suffice? I try to keep snacking to a minimum, and when I do, I usually make it a piece of fruit or whatnot.
>
> 2) Drowsiness. Sometimes about 1-2 hours after I take a dose, I feel like going to sleep, but only if I am sitting still. If I am walking around, I do not get nearly as drowsy. Does this ever go away, or will I have to take modafinil/pemoline/etc for it?
>
> 3) Edema. Slight swelling in my feet. Does this ever go away?
>
> Thanks for your help and support, guys. I never imagined such a normal[ly pleasurable] existence was possible! Rather, it seemed as if such a life was reserved for others, but not for me. I am so grateful for my second chance at life at only 25 years old!
>
> Again, if anyone needs an affordable way to obtain tadalafil or cabergoline, babblemail me. There is no reason why anyone should trade a sex life for relief with Nardil.
>
> --cm
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Hey there, regarding the carb cravings and weight gain issues of Nardil.... I'm wondering about that new diet drug Acomplia(cannibinoid receptor antagonist). It doesn't come out until late 2005 or early 2006 but perhaps it could be usable with Nardil. It's been shown to reduce cravings and lose weight around the mid-section. Also, about Cabergoline, could you email me? Or give me your email? Thanks,Josh (xxx)
Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 1, 2005, at 21:36:53
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil » willyee, posted by Maxime on May 31, 2005, at 9:35:14
Yes. There are multiple studies backing up the use of buprenorphine in refractory depression with excellent results. Also, see the article "Buprenorphine: The Un-Adoptable Orphan". It summarizes a few of his cases in which buprenorphine was a miraculous success, and then gives his opinion on the politics and economics that prevent it from ever gaining the status of an excellent antidepressant as it should. It does not produce any "high" feeling after around 5 days . It remains an excellent mood elevator, though.
Also, it doesn't make me feel drugged at all, unlike typical full opioid agonists. It's kinda like getting the benefits of an opioid but without feeling high, if that makes any sense. The trials used 0.3mg qid (maybe as high as 0.6mg). I take 4mg qid, which definitely works better than lesser doses. I don't know if that would hold true for many people, but then again, I don't seem to respond to many medications typically at all. ;)Honestly, the stuff is an amazing antidepressant for many people, including me. I would probably do OK on just buprenorphine alone, but the other meds (Nardil, Dostinex) along with it make me feel very WELL most of the time.
Are you thinking of trying anything I've mentioned?
Best of luck.
--cm
Posted by Maxime on June 1, 2005, at 21:59:17
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil » Maxime, posted by Chairman_MAO on June 1, 2005, at 21:36:53
I didn't realise it was opioid until now. Well actually I forgot, because Ed-UK suggested it to me a few weeks back. I know my pdoc will never prescribe it for me.
I am looking for something to add to my Parnate to brighten my mood.
Maxime
> Yes. There are multiple studies backing up the use of buprenorphine in refractory depression with excellent results. Also, see the article "Buprenorphine: The Un-Adoptable Orphan". It summarizes a few of his cases in which buprenorphine was a miraculous success, and then gives his opinion on the politics and economics that prevent it from ever gaining the status of an excellent antidepressant as it should. It does not produce any "high" feeling after around 5 days . It remains an excellent mood elevator, though.
> Also, it doesn't make me feel drugged at all, unlike typical full opioid agonists. It's kinda like getting the benefits of an opioid but without feeling high, if that makes any sense. The trials used 0.3mg qid (maybe as high as 0.6mg). I take 4mg qid, which definitely works better than lesser doses. I don't know if that would hold true for many people, but then again, I don't seem to respond to many medications typically at all. ;)
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> Honestly, the stuff is an amazing antidepressant for many people, including me. I would probably do OK on just buprenorphine alone, but the other meds (Nardil, Dostinex) along with it make me feel very WELL most of the time.
>
> Are you thinking of trying anything I've mentioned?
>
> Best of luck.
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> --cm
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 1, 2005, at 22:26:14
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil » Chairman_MAO, posted by jparsell82 on June 1, 2005, at 15:03:10
> I need an affordable source for nardil
>
> willyee> I buy it ... from a research chemical supplier so I can afford to do this.
>
> Chairman_MAO> about Cabergoline, could you email me? Or give me your email?
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> Josh (xxx)Please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Follow-ups regarding these issues should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Chairman_MAO on June 2, 2005, at 9:22:17
In reply to Re: affordable sources » willyee » Chairman_MAO » jparsell82, posted by Dr. Bob on June 1, 2005, at 22:26:14
What if the source is US-based, and the transaction is legal? Furthermore, I didn't know that I was doing anything wrong because I never posted the site selling the drug here. I really don't understand the policy, as people obviously sometimes need such sources to afford their medication--or even obtain it, as not everyone has $250+ per session for a pdoc skilled in treatment-refractory illness. Is this really the way it should be? Should only the wealthy be entitled to truly effective medications? Moreover, given this policy, we will all cloak such requests in layer after layer of verbiage until they are no longer visible as such.
I suppose I will no longer post such messages; you don't have to worry.
These policies notwithstanding, anyone, please, anyone should feel free to babblemail me if you think I may be able to help you--not with medications anymore, of course.
Posted by Dr. Bob on June 2, 2005, at 22:33:43
In reply to Re: affordable sources » Dr. Bob, posted by Chairman_MAO on June 2, 2005, at 9:22:17
> What if the source is US-based, and the transaction is legal?
Hmm, good question, could you let me know what the source is?
> given this policy, we will all cloak such requests in layer after layer of verbiage until they are no longer visible as such.
Well, if they're not visible to me, I guess nothing would happen...
Bob
Posted by Tepiaca on June 5, 2005, at 1:44:53
In reply to Re: My thoughts/experiences on Nardil, posted by Chairman_MAO on May 30, 2005, at 20:06:26
> Regarding the anorgasmia: I have a fantastic solution: cabergoline. I take more (500mcg once daily) than the dose recommended for prolactin suppression (500mcg twice weekly), but that is what it took to get a response. I have no side effects from the cabergoline whatsoever, just increased drive and a return of orgasm! There is NO NEED for anyone to suffer this side effect, because cabergoline is available to treat it. It also jacks up the libido quite nicely. >>
Hi chair , is tep here
I have some questions about Camergolineis this a safe drugs in the long term??,
it is rare how nobody had mentioned this drug before, or at least I never read about it.
is it safe???how much time to kick in??, is it expensive??
who told you to try this drug? a doctor??
thanks chairman
Posted by Tepiaca on June 5, 2005, at 3:54:23
In reply to Re: affordable sources » Dr. Bob, posted by Chairman_MAO on June 2, 2005, at 9:22:17
Do you believe is dangerous to take an
antipsychotic like Seroquel with CabergolineI undertantd Seroquel is an antagonist of the
D2 receptors , and that cabergolist is an agonist
is this safe?????
Posted by GreenP on April 6, 2010, at 4:26:25
In reply to Re: Ace and others on Nardil » ixus, posted by ace on May 30, 2005, at 1:09:26
Hi. I've been on Nardil for four weeks and three days (4 weeks on 45 mg and 1 week and three days on 60 mg) and I am so depressed and anxious. I'm afraid to go out of the house, I'm worse than I was before I was on SSRIs. Does anyone have any advice for me on what I should do?
Posted by SLS on April 6, 2010, at 6:39:50
In reply to Re: Help! Not Responding to Nardil :(, posted by GreenP on April 6, 2010, at 4:26:25
> Hi. I've been on Nardil for four weeks and three days (4 weeks on 45 mg and 1 week and three days on 60 mg) and I am so depressed and anxious. I'm afraid to go out of the house, I'm worse than I was before I was on SSRIs. Does anyone have any advice for me on what I should do?
Some people don't respond to Nardil until they reach a dose of 90mg. You may yet respond at 60mg, which I consider the beginning of the effective dose range. Unfortunately, it might not be for another few weeks until you respond to it. You might want to give each dosage a trial of three weeks before increasing. This will give the drug a chance to work and your body a chance to accommodate to the higher dosage.
It is very likely that I will restart Nardil in the summer. I have been trialing a new drug, milnacipran. The two drugs should not be mixed because of a serious serotonergic reaction. If I do take Nardil again, it will be in combination with other drugs:
Nardil
nortriptyline
Lamictal
Abilify
lithium
- Scott
Posted by ace on April 6, 2010, at 8:20:33
In reply to Re: Help! Not Responding to Nardil :(, posted by GreenP on April 6, 2010, at 4:26:25
> Hi. I've been on Nardil for four weeks and three days (4 weeks on 45 mg and 1 week and three days on 60 mg) and I am so depressed and anxious. I'm afraid to go out of the house, I'm worse than I was before I was on SSRIs. Does anyone have any advice for me on what I should do?
Hi - can you clear up the total amount of time you have been on Nardil?- I am not sure if you have been on it 5 weeks and 3 days or 4 weeks and 3 days?
Nardil usually takes longer than the SSRI's and TCA's to kick in. I would stay put at a dose of 60mg for a minimum of four weeks. And spend 8-12 weeks if necessary on the medication. And like Scott stated, you may need a a higher dose. But I would not up the dosage now, esp after only 3 days on 60mg.
I would recommend:
Stay on that 60mg for 4 weeks if you can tolerate it. You could be just around the corner from a nice surprise...keep faithful (that's easy for me to say I know!)
For your depression and anxiety, if things get too bad, i would urge adding on Xanax or another benzo low dose. This may also have the effect of getting the Nardil starting faster.
Let me know how you are,
Ace
Posted by GreenP on April 7, 2010, at 0:41:44
In reply to Re: Help! Not Responding to Nardil :( » GreenP, posted by ace on April 6, 2010, at 8:20:33
Thanks so much to both of you for your speedy responses! Sorry about the mix up... what I meant is that I've been on Nardil a total of 5 weeks and 3 days. 4 weeks on 40 mg and 1 week and 3 days on 60... and also, what I meant to say was that I am feeling worse than I was when I was on SSRI's. (I went off of SSRI's hoping that an MAOI would help more with all the other messed up feelings I am still having.) I kind of wrote this post in a desperate scramble so sorry about all the typos.
It's so good to hear that there might be a surprise around the corner, I've been so lost ever since I went off the SSRIs. My family's really starting to worry about me and they want me off of this stuff. But the way I was living on SSRIs wasn't truly living either. The depression wasn't gone, more like muted, and I never got excited about anything. It's like I was watching the world go on from a distance. But I wasn't crying all the time, so it seems to outsiders that I'm doing worse. I have such high hopes for this medication. And I don't want to go off of it if there's any chance that it may work. I'm desperate enough for a chance at a real life to wait and stay on it. It's just tough sometimes, you know? I get tired of feeling crazy all the time. All of my anxiety is centered around things that I cognitively know aren't things to be afraid of. When I talk to people, I know that even if I am awkward, it doesn't matter. Who cares? If anything they will think, "oh that chic was awkward" and then they'll forget about it. But it's more than that, it's the feeling. There is this feeling that arises in me when I am around people. It happens no matter what, even when I know it's not warranted. It's the same with the depression, separation anxiety and sensitivity to rejection. All things that I can cognitively sort out, but the feeling remains. And it exhausts me. It makes me gray. It hurts so badly. It has stolen my life. So if there's any chance in the world that this could help me with that, then I will wait. I have to.
Posted by ace on April 7, 2010, at 3:10:34
In reply to Re: Help! Not Responding to Nardil :(, posted by GreenP on April 7, 2010, at 0:41:44
> Thanks so much to both of you for your speedy responses! Sorry about the mix up... what I meant is that I've been on Nardil a total of 5 weeks and 3 days. 4 weeks on 40 mg and 1 week and 3 days on 60... and also, what I meant to say was that I am feeling worse than I was when I was on SSRI's.
Were you on a medication prior to starting Nardil?
At what dose?
Until it kicks in you may indeed feel worse, certainly you can not attribute this worse feeling to Nardil at present.
(I went off of SSRI's hoping that an MAOI would help more with all the other messed up feelings I am still having.)What feelings?
I kind of wrote this post in a desperate scramble so sorry about all the typos.
>
> It's so good to hear that there might be a surprise around the corner,Hang in there!
I've been so lost ever since I went off the SSRIs. My family's really starting to worry about me and they want me off of this stuff. But the way I was living on SSRIs wasn't truly living either. The depression wasn't gone, more like muted, and I never got excited about anything.
SSRI's, in many cases, 'numb' the depression, so we can't feel it as much. This is consistent with your statements above.
We don't want that! We want you to feel happy!
It's like I was watching the world go on from a distance. But I wasn't crying all the time, so it seems to outsiders that I'm doing worse. I have such high hopes for this medication. And I don't want to go off of it if there's any chance that it may work. I'm desperate enough for a chance at a real life to wait and stay on it.Good idea!
It's just tough sometimes, you know? I get tired of feeling crazy all the time. All of my anxiety is centered around things that I cognitively know aren't things to be afraid of. When I talk to people, I know that even if I am awkward, it doesn't matter. Who cares? If anything they will think, "oh that chic was awkward" and then they'll forget about it. But it's more than that, it's the feeling. There is this feeling that arises in me when I am around people. It happens no matter what, even when I know it's not warranted.
It's a feeling of anxiety, of being overly concerned what others think of you? Of being uncomfortable in the presence of others? Constantly thinking people are judging you and having an internal negative dialogue?
Do you feel this worse around the opposite sex?
It's the same with the depression,
separation anxietyWhen did the SA take hold? What specific syptoms?
and sensitivity to rejection.
Do you feel you are 'different' from others?
All things that I can cognitively sort out, but the feeling remains. And it exhausts me. It makes me gray. It hurts so badly. It has stolen my life. So if there's any chance in the world that this could help me with that, then I will wait. I have to.
Please answer the above if possible, but I indeed think you are on the right track. I feel that your dose must be sorted out ASAP.
Peace,
Ace
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