Posted by Estella on May 18, 2006, at 0:47:51
In reply to Re: opinion survey, posted by madeline on May 17, 2006, at 21:40:39
> I think both animals and human infants have emotions.
yeah me too :-)
> I lean toward the body changes as necessary and sufficient for emotion. For instance, mitral valve prolapse in the heart mimics anxiety and panic. Morphine induces euphoria. Beta-blockers reduce anxiety, not due to any action in the brain, but by blocking the peripheral response.Yeah. That is similar to the James-Lange / Damasio / Le Doux / Prinz view of emotions...
What they also seem to want to say is that the felt quality of emotion... Just is the feeling of bodily changes.
They think that there are two different aspects to emotions:
1) Bodily changes
2) Phenomenology / the felt quality which JUST IS the experience of bodily changes.I'm wondering whether you think bodily changes are necessary and sufficient for emotions, or whether you think that both of the above aspects are together necessary and sufficient for emotions.
Do you need to attend to the bodily changes (so that you have the conscious experience of phenomenology) in order to have an emotion, or if you could have the bodily changes without attention (ie in the absence of phenomenology) then would the latter count as an emotional state or not?
(maybe emotions are the phenomenology of awareness of bodily changes, or maybe emotions are simply the bodily changes)
does that make sense?
what do you think??
> > 3. are unconscious emotions possible?
> I would definately say that unconcious emotion is not only possible, but likely. In reality, I think all emotion is pre-conscious. We don't make a conscious decision to be mad, but we get mad nonetheless.but do we have to consciously experience the rage or can we be unaware that we are having an emotion?
the CAUSE of emotions seems to be pre-conscious...
But can the emotion it self be pre-conscious / unconscious?(by analogy thoughts seem to have pre-conscious causes but thoughts are consciously experienced - typically that is the way the terminology goes that thoughts are consciously experienced while beliefs don't have to be)
poster:Estella
thread:645293
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