Posted by 10derHeart on March 11, 2005, at 1:06:51
In reply to Re: Why death is an option for me » Shy_Girl, posted by Impermanence on March 9, 2005, at 13:13:10
Impermanence,I enjoyed reading your post, and was sorry to hear you've gone through suicide attempts and lots of other traumatic things in your life. I can't imagine how scary some of that must have been. I hope you are finding more peace now. When reading, I did feel there were a couple of comments that maybe could have been worded better, in light of the civility rules. For example…
<< The moral and religious issues as any intelligent rational people understand are nothing more than man made philosophies…….>>
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I don’t intend to infringe on your right to free speech. But when I read this, I felt a little demeaned just for not holding the same view as you. My question would be, are you saying that someone who *doesn’t* think moral and religious issues are, "nothing more than man made philosophies," is unintelligent and irrational? (My beliefs are completely different, yet most people who know me still seem to consider me fairly rational and intelligent. Not trying to be sarcastic, just reinforce my point.) Seems like this could be considered a little uncivil. But that's only my reaction, and I may have misinterpreted your meaning. If so, I apologize. Civility is, of course, ultimately Dr. Bob's call.
<<Over the years I've become very spiritually aware (and I don't mean religious, I have no time for that crap)>>
I have also become spiritually aware. In my case, it is in the context of a certain religious tradition. Therefore, I did feel put down when you described religion as "crap." To be blunt, this statement personally offended me. Perhaps you could have just said something like, "I’ve become very spiritually aware, but I don’t mean by following any particular religion or belief system, as none of those work for me." Or something clearer - that was just my clumsy attempt. Strong language, as long as it expresses your opinion without a sense of scorn, or "name-calling" that comes with a phrase like, "…I have no time for that crap," I think would be still be fine.
Wording things carefully here at Babble, especially when it comes to deeply personal issues such as religious beliefs, should allow everyone to have a voice without causing each other distress. Or at least minimize it as much as possible. Does that make sense?
<< I guess what I'm trying to say is it's O.K. to commit suicide, but it's crazy to do it so early in your life. Give yourself time, a lot of time before you make a decision that you can never ever go back on. Life may suck right now but you have to admit it's pretty incredible too. >>
No offense taken here, I just had questions. Since you told Shy Girl you think it’s "crazy" to commit suicide "so early in your life," at what point would it be okay? Is there a certain age, or maturity level, or something else, that makes it more acceptable to you? I noticed and loved how you appreciate all the awesome and, as you wrote, "incredible" stuff about life, so since life keeps changing for better and for worse, how would you know "when" was the right time to go ahead with suicide? I can’t work it out, but I thought that maybe you already had? I do not intend disrespect, just honestly thinking through what you wrote...
I posted in the spirit of trying to help us all stay within the civility guidelines. I expect the same scrutiny from you and everyone else. Including anything in this post, of course, that I wrote that may be a problem. I just think it's really important to keep trying, bit by bit, to understand each other better. Sometimes for me, that means speaking up when it's uncomfortable to do so. Respectfully, 10derHeart
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