Posted by jay on October 7, 2001, at 19:08:21
In reply to Re: psycho-social support (redirect from PB) » Elizabeth, posted by JahL on October 7, 2001, at 10:37:03
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> > According to your posts on this board and on PB, you believe that "building a good social support network and engaging in psycho and cognitive therapy is a *must* along with meds if you want to get better" (your words). A little while ago there was a debate about whether it was okay to "evangelize" on PB.
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> It was the *must* bit that bothered me. This is a clear case of someone believing that because a treatment helps them, it will be of equal benefit to everyone. Sulpiride helps me immensely but I don't feel the need to place posts on Social-Babble recommending everyone takes anti-psychotics.OK..fine, the *must* was stupid for me to say. I didn't take kindly to your backlash either, though, as I still tried to be respectful and kind. That is the most important thing, and I would hope we could all treat each other like that on here. I read Dr. Bob's code of *civility* to extend to the above. On one post, (different thread) I lashed out and realized how stupid and wrong it was. With this thread, I tried to tread as gently as possible, and all's I asked for was the same in return.
> > I'm sure you didn't intend to offend anyone, but in the future, please consider who your audience is and try to be supportive. You may have felt "attacked," but some people on PB felt attacked too. I thought you sounded perhaps a bit condescending.
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> Jay actually said: "I think we become a bit smug when we ignore that besides chemical changes, we *also* need to change interpersonal habits, communication, and control and mastery over our lives."
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> Jay, you should have learnt by now, with the help of yr therapist, that calling people who don't agree with your questionable opinions "smug", is uncivil. Who's smug?Well, I was refering to our general lack of ability to drop ego-boundaries. That can be a major hurdle in therapy, and my statements where not just made out of thin air..there is some very good research that backs it. No, it is not absolute, and cannot be "proven" 100 percent correct. I did not say anybody in particular was smug, but that not at least acknowleding there is an opinion different then yours or a few others is, especially when that opinion has some good backing.
> >You seemed to be saying that your treatment of choice (talk therapy + meds) is the only thing that will work, for anyone. Reading your posts to PSB only confirms this impression. It's particularly distressing that you stereotype those who aren't interested in talk therapy as having "ego-type issues" and believing that "they are too 'smart' for therapy or something." (Yes, you did sound "harsh and judgmental." I don't understand why you posted something if you knew that you were being unsupportive.) Personally, I've been through a lot of talk therapy of many flavors (among them: cognitive, interpersonal (group), psychodynamic, and supportive therapies), and it isn't for me. For the most part, it didn't help much, and in some cases it was actually harmful. I know that there are others who have been through this too.
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> I'm one of them. Agree with you to the letter Elizabeth.
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> J.Well, please show show me the research that concludes, across the board, that *modern* psychodynamic and life-skill (which is a type of rehab that has some of the strongest research backing it out of any treatment)therapy are absolutely harmful. I do know what I am talking about in the wide range of therapies, as I am a counselor myself. Did you know about the other 100+ schools of therapy? Can you explain a life-skill module to me, types that are often used by the Red Cross on all corners of the planet? Did you know CBT and psychoanalysis are now some of the least popular forms of therapy in the world?
The few comments made seem to based on experience with some form of ancient psychoanalysis, and even Beck, RET, and CBT are old news. I honestly think we are arguing on two different things here, and all's I ask is for you to look into the vast amount of modern research on current therapies.
Jay
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