Posted by Wendy B. on October 2, 2001, at 15:40:24
In reply to Re: Terror... sorry » Wendy B., posted by sar on October 1, 2001, at 0:04:26
> dear wendy,
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> you are not, by any means, an ass.
oh ho ho... you're just sayin' that, sweetheart.kazoo, on the 'Elvis Presley's Depression' thread, has been invited by Jane D. to come over to this thread to get trashed... i wonder if ol' Jane meant MOI?? (now, i know better than to trash kazoo...)
> i like to try to make evryone what i belilve too, but it only rarely works completely...
yeah, 'cuz then those people would be manipulable idiots, and they're neither interesting to be around, nor fun... i like discussion and diffeence of opinion.i have been around a little longer (jane's or susan's or kk's point well taken here). remember watching the vietnam war on tv as a child. the first television war. remember when reagan and the other anti-russian/ anti-commies sent our troops over to afghanistan, and supported the guys who are now the bad guys... see how easy it is for us to switch back and forth, depending on our supposed 'national interests'?
so, sorry. but i have to say, i am a little tired of hearing the 20-somethings telling us 'old folks': "people don't realize why so many people all over the world hate us americans." uhhhh... yes, we do. we remember peace marches. we remember "No Nukes." we remember when the U.S. wouldn't even allow yassir arafat into the country, much less allow him to come to a table to negotiate. we remember lebanon. we remember the gaza strip. we remember glaznost. we remember the fall of the berlin wall. we remember a lot of why the americans are hated and feared. we know we didn't do it, but we never had the political clout to even elect jimmy carter a 2nd time. reagan did a lot of damage. it's a long road back. clinton spent his last days as president trying to put the middle east peace process back on track... and now we get the right telling us he decimated the CIA, and that's why we didn't see the suicide hijackers coming in under the radar.... jesus...
> your over-ability to empathize is a gift....i have to burn my hands on the stove over and over again to teach mysel a lesson and to learn from others. i can only empathize with what i know.i think it's a trap, to over-empathize. it makes everyone else's pain a thing to experience and comment on and get high from. i think some middle ground would be good. that's what i keep trying for: some middle ground, neither too far over the top, nor too far under... i used to be like you... working the excesses and the borders of everything, pushing others to get pissed off with me, just for discussion's sake. making my parents exasperated with me, because that was the only way (i thought) i could get their attention. maybe it was true... arguing just to argue, because without it there would have been... what? nothing, i thought.
> (may i tell an anecdote here? i think i will. 3 of my friends were declared "depressed" by our other friends last year, as was i. these 3 , at the same time they were accusing me of being "bored with my life" and "directionles"--i thought they were completely suicidal and dead inside! can we say PROJECTION?
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> anyway, i don't know where i was going with that.well, from, i only empathize with what i know - to the feeling that the people calling you depressed and bored with your life, who you saw as depressed and suicidal, were, in fact, *what you knew.* i.e., suicidal and depressed. like maybe, you could see into their pain a little because you were yourself in pain...? i dunno...
> as far as things being better left unsaid, i don't agree with that--not for myself, anyway.i didn't say everything was better left unsaid, just the things that might hurt someone else. truth-telling is just a ruse, when it's said to hurt someone else. you have to know your own motives. or try to. i actually waited a while to answer your first message, but i was too upset to not send anything. and see? we're still ok, we can still talk.
>i like to bring up the taboo simply because i happen to feel it, i want to know if others do but they're not speaking; out of respect for any survivors of the WTC tragedy who might be reading this, i'm extremely and deeply sorry, but i know that there are countless others left only half-jaw-dropped to the event, and those are my kind, they're the ones i want to hear from, well i want to hear from anyone really, anyone anyone with thoughts on this topic...me too, thanks noa for starting the thread...
> you didn't hurt me. i was a bit taken aback by th rebel-like abrasivesness of yr post, but that's WendyB, n'est-ce pas? you're like that, i wouldn't have expected anything else.
my rebel-like abrasiveness? ouch! anything else you want to say on the topic? really... i want to know what i've posted that makes you say that. i always thought if i didn't have something supportive to say, i didn't post anything. thought i was nice to people, maybe i haven't been?...
>that you've been so supportive of me in the past bothers me that we differ so greatly on this one topic, but i'm hoping we can chalk it up to--differences in personality? age? proximity?
probably all three. you have always been very responsive to my anguished posts. and funny and controversial to read, that's why i like you. so we'll be alright?
> yr kb,(btw - what's kb? something obvious, probably.)
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> sarwen
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