Posted by toojane on January 31, 2007, at 19:55:51
In reply to Re: 'Not always a cry for help' - » toojane, posted by one woman cine on January 31, 2007, at 19:19:38
> The rules vary from community to community but I do not think *keeping oneself safe* is a bad rule.
I think if a community had a rule, and enforced it, that members could not harm one another then the need for a "keeping oneself safe" rule would be almost obsolete. I think many/most self-harming behaviours are the products of abuse.
> I personally would want to be part of a community where everyone had accountability for their actions.I would too. Where, in reality, does such an ideal community exist?
> I would not want to be part of a community where it's OK to commit suicide because you don't want to get help.Hmmm. I think it is probably rare (although I have no way of being certain) for people to commit suicide completely out of the blue. I think they probably do seek help first, in some form or other. Help does not always exist. If you've read this board for very long, you can easily see how people continue to suffer, even when they have accessed therapy. Is it okay to commit suicide if you want help but have realized none exists?
Help is also a very relative term. Who determines what is helpful? The history of psychiatry is filled with "helpful" treatments forced on people against their will (insulin comas, wet packs, lobotomies, electric shocks).
> I'm not sure if this is what you said, but the threat of expulsion for not getting help would seem fair.I believe schools threaten expulsion because they are afraid of being sued by distraught parents, not because they are intent on creating responsible communities. These policies were implemented when the lawsuits started. I'm not sure "fair" is a real consideration.
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