Posted by alexandra_k on August 18, 2005, at 16:50:27
In reply to Re: Terrible Session » alexandra_k, posted by cricket on August 18, 2005, at 8:26:24
> > What did he say about attachment?
> Well, first of all, it's definitely not one of my favorite topics and one he seems to go back to.Yeah. Its a hard topic. I've been doing a lot of thinking about it lately.
> When a mammal is not responded too, she starts to cry louder and if no response, exhaustion/depression sets in and eventually the cry turns into a shriek and then learned helplessness/hopelessness sets in.
Ok. I hadn't heard of that in the context of attachment. Heard it in the context of a dog being kept in an operant conditioning box. Tone - shock. Tone - shock. After a while the dog just hangs its head and waits for the inevitable shock. Then they alter the box. Put a bit of a door in it actually. Instead of going through the door and thus avoiding the shock the dog just hangs its head and waits for the inevitable shock.
I do that.
Spend a lot of time in my room
Waiting the inevitable shock
Even though the door is unlocked...
> Supposedly that's where I am - the learned helplessness stage, which I'm not sure what that means - but it's not a pretty picture that's for sure.I think it means resigning oneself to unpleasant things happening even when the contingencies have changed now so that there actually are things you can do to avoid those unpleasant things. But because there wasn't the possibility of avoiding in the past we resign ourselves to our fate now rather than taking active steps to avoid them.
I just sit...
Curiosity / exploration of the world has been curbed.
Not in my head...
That was something that she couldn't touch.
> Then he also goes on that there's hope for me because I once did have an attachment to my grandmother even though I was very young and I can't really remember and even though she wasn't exactly the most sane person in the world. He says this so much with so many qualifiers that I think that most of the time he's trying to convince himself that there is hope for me. Because he also adds that if I didn't have that grandmother connection, there really wouldn't be any hope.Hmm.
> In fact, I'm not sure what he's trying to accomplish with all this attachment stuff (besides convince himself) and all it does for me is make me suicidal.Hmm.
> I guess I should tell him that :-(Hmm.
I don't know what to say...
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