Posted by special_k on March 30, 2006, at 19:32:14
In reply to Re: Freedom ***Trigger*** » Damos, posted by Declan on March 30, 2006, at 19:11:40
i imagine people fight because they believe it is justified.
i imagine people feel proud of people who fight because they believe it is justified.to have the justification undermined / ripped away must be very painful indeed when you (or people you know) have risked their lives (or given their lives) to 'the cause'.
i don't know about the reception the vietnam soldiers got.
my only contact... is in reading "the things they carried" and there the emphasis was on the justification being ripped away (and i guess the point that the justification didn't count for sh*t at the time really because the usual rules didn't apply...)
i guess it is hard when there is a lot of personal stuff at stake.
my concern is that
IMHO
it is better to come to believe war isn't justified than to keep supporting people you care about going... to keep going... to keep on killing innocent civilians.
i mean...
dropping two nuclear bombs put an end to WWII
was it worth it?
depends on where you live maybe...
many japanese civilians...
many descendents are still feeling the effects of that...peaceful means...
i don't think we do that properly :-(
laws were set in place after WWII so that if anybody started doing some of the things Hitler was doing before / during the war then people would be able to move in faster (to apprehend them and try them in a court of law i like to think).
the UN... I don't know too much about them...
but i figure they are the most global organisation we have got.
and i thought... they werent' taken very seriously because they don't have troops / manpower of their own.
i don't understand why if people think it is time to move the troops in...
i don't understand why it isn't up to the UN.
and i don't understand why the UN doesn't get control of the people who wish to fight (i don't believe in compulsory draft i don't think anybody should be made to kill other people not even in self defence)i was a pacifist before i found out my grandfather was a pacifist.
i didn't really know anything about him until his funeral.
and what do you know... he had a masters degree in philosophy and theology...
amazing...
he was very embittered (and also getting on rather) from what i remember of him.
maybe we would have gotten on if i was older... or he was younger or something...
or maybe not.
hard to know.
but rather freaky for me to find points of contact with my ansestors. yuk. or something...
grandfather on my mothers side...
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