Posted by tealady on December 2, 2004, at 2:07:29
In reply to Re: and how to inhibit it.... Raybakes » tealady, posted by raybakes on December 1, 2004, at 17:10:13
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> > I got from Z=-1.75(in 30's) to Z=-1.1 on BMD's..not great I know with the above.
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> > I think the study on BMD and hip fractures and dairy consumption may possibly be biased as I know that if one is questioned about dairy intake if found to have hip fracture a lot of people will tend to "up" their dairy intake in their answers..just a "protective" answer...but who knows
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> > Otherwise keeping this IL-6 down to normal levels is the thing :-)
> > I'm trying to understand this now.
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> Hi Jan, just wonder if there's something missing in the equation as I keep seeing abstracts like this..
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> 'Fractures, calcium, and the modern diet.'
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> "Why do populations who consume low-calcium diets have fewer fractures than do Western societies who consume high-calcium diets?"
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> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11684522
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> Just worry that the dairy industry and drug companies are pushing research one way when the answers are perhaps more subtle? Could be wrong, but I love a mystery!
>hmmm well I'm getting slightly tired of too many mysteries...overwhelmed I guess
Definitely the dairy industry is pushing and powerful!
The Z=-1.75 was on a good diet of veges, fruit, high meat, wholegrains..no junk, no artifical colors, flavors, preservatives..exercised as teenager until mid 20's ..about 10 years after, feeling very hypothyroid in symptoms.
(in case anyone doesn't know, Z of less than -1.0 is osteopenia and Z=-2.5 is where you fracture hips etc..not good for someone then in their 30's.)
Ray, do you think that for someone with a light build..say 50kg most of their life(although 45kg up to about 30) that a Z=-1.75 is still like "normal"? I mean I know there is a difference in bone density and a Z of 1 is only 1 standard deviation, so do you think that maybe I was normal in bone density anyway?
It seemed a bit too far out to me.
For all I know I may have been hyperthyroid earlier in life and then I may have lost bone density due to the excess thyroid hormones..it's possible from symptoms.3 years earlier than the test in my 30's for BMD where I gt a Z=-1.75, had slightly raised TSh=3.6...but untreated.
Had up to that time tried soy and low dairy...also tried hypoglycemic diet, small meals about 5 a day with pritikin type diet and something closer to "cave-man type diet " these days for a years...
Did test out as hypoglycemic..both types(relative and absolute) about age 30, but didn't get any better after years of diet.all I did to get the BMD up was take a calc/mag most nights and increase dairy slightly.
I do have a problem in that I drink now(and all my life) too much water..so I guess increased calcium consumption was needed to keep my blood levels up (as with everything)
After starting on thyroid hormones which increased metabolism, I needed to supplement on all salts even more as the thyroid hormone ncreases one's metabolism.
If you are low on calcium in the blood, your body just extracts the needed calcium from the bone.
It's been a while since I looked but I did gather at the time that high dairy was bad..like over 2 glasses milk /day equivalent..and low to moderate seemed to be best from the studies I read...but as you say...dairy industry has big interest and funding for a lot of these studies. It may have been just the calcium supps I guess. I was already eating healthily..even to the point during those years of growing own veges organically etc...making own soy milk at one stage even
I was definitely going downhill without calcium supps in some form.
Got my blood tests back today.
My calcium levels are finally great. I've been having a break at present from supps but not as yet from the dairy.
I achieved this but drastically cutting water intake to 4 Litres a day..need to reduce to 3 litres a day sometime.
Actually cutting back to 4L and cutting all salts to normal levels..all my levels of all electroyltes are finally good...so it was the excess water I was struggling with.
Even albumin has came up to a good level..was too low!
Problem is I'm still very thirsty and have just temporarily stared drinking again, sigh...very hot weather.
Jan
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