Posted by tealady on October 11, 2004, at 23:41:14
In reply to Re: What'dya think of leaky gut syndrome?..Ray? » tealady, posted by raybakes on October 11, 2004, at 14:19:45
> > A doc (antiaging) who is standing in for my doc is into "leaky gut syndrome"..detoxes of gut first then liver detox.
> > By "into" I mean he thinks almost all problems are caused by "leaky gut"...which if there is an absorption problem.. agree things may be fixed if absorption can be fixed..but
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> > As far as my understanding goes all cells "leak"(maybe 20-25%?)...but maybe there can be some cells more leaky than they should be?
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> > On my first vist (I had to get a few scripts for thyroid meds etc) he "tested" me for leaky gut syndrome.
> > I can't find this test by googling on the net.
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> > It involved
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> > ferric chloride
> > HCl hydrochoric acid
> > choloform (anesthetic I guess)
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> > add urine sample
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> > if bubbles and cloudy..supposed to mean you have leaky gut syndrome....?
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> > Test went like(from watching)..the Ferric Cl and HCl combines with urine and sits on top of the choroform..after shaking ..bubbles(tiny) are seen and the choroform goes cloudy colour..bubbles in choroform and a bit in urine, Ferric Cl,HCl mix
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> > Apparently after the gut detox this urine test does not go cloudy or have bubbles.
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> > I cannot figure out what happened in the test.
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> > I'm only asking as you said you knew a bit about liver detox...wondered if you had heard of this one?
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> Hi Jan, haven't heard of this particular test - I've had the gut permeability test that uses mannitol and lactulose - sugars of different molecule size, one of which can only pass through the gut wall if the gut is leaky.
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That test sounds more credible.
Unfortunately I don't understand enough chemistry to work out if there is credibilty in the test I had..but I agree with your opinion I guess.
Can't be a great deal of incompletely digested food though in my urine, as my urine osmalility test is lowish, my blood osmalility was highish
urine 106 (50-1200) mosmol/Kg
blood 294 (280-295) mosmol/Kg (drank water then 15mins betwwen urine and blood test..so that should dilute blood test if anything).
I'm always thirsty..trying to cut back!...hence my weak jokes about not doing osmosis too well <g>
..this gut detox was the docs soln to above problem..and the fact that when I tried to cut down on water untake I got extremely depressed,cold, hands went blue etc, sigh
> I would guess that your test goes cloudy when there is undigested food sediment in the urine, and not cloudy when the gut is healed?
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> Your doctor's ideas sound OK, but it does sound a bit of a 'catch all' therapy. Hope your doctor can adjust his treatment to suit your needs.
>Ahh, you honed in on my concern.
I'd already stopped his female hormone catchall..as I knew what my levels were and understood a little about that side
> I've had gut and liver problems as you might have guessed!
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> Things I've done...
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> remove milk and wholemeal wheat.Did you stay offwheat and milk permanently?..or just for the detox..if I do the detox I have to stay off these for the 6 weeks of the gut detox for starters...and I'm not a really big gluten eater, but I do like the variety being able to eat some bread gives(I eat oatmeal bread..but it still has some wheat and other grains). Brekkie is rolled oats if any cereal type with natural sultanas, nuts, ground linseed , milk..or that bread with sardines or eggs(not mixed<g>)
I've never shown any allergies to wheat, gluten or milk on tests either.
> colonic irrigation made me worse!
Now that's my BIGGEST concern..
I gather you start this detox(first 2 days) by taking a large dose of magnesium sulfate in water...and drinking it...sounds to me like if I didn't have a damaged gut beforehand, I'd sure have one after this stunt. Then you rehydrate with electrolyte fluids.So what did your colic irrigation consist of?
> used some gut permeability formulas (thorne + nutri) containing NAG and glutamine.
Step 2 (after the MgSulfate etc),
is for 2 weeks1(a) PAREX (metagenics)..to kill "bad" bacteria, fungae and worms
(black walnut, chinese wormwood,barberry, gentiant, grapefruit,
thyme oil, cinnamon bark oil, origanum oil spanish))(b)a powder ULTRA PROBIAPLEX(metagenics)..which contains
(whey protein concentrate,zinc sulfate,arabinogalactans(larix decidua), lactoferrin,lactoperodoxidase, potassium iodide, selenomethionine) ..according to label
..guess not too much iodide there and 2nd lowest ingredient...Step 3 is 4 weeks
(a)ULTRAFLORA..which is a probiotic(lactobacillus acidophilus..NCFM strain), bifidobacterium,probioplex(lactalbumin..)and(b) continue with the ULTRAPROBIAPLEX
that's the gut detox..then you can follow with a liver detox....maybe!
> Lactobaccilus GG, lactoferrin, betaine HCL, digestive enzymes, bile extract, phosphatidylcholine, butyrate, citricidin, mct, DHA + EPA - but not all at once! Over a few years...
>> Think Jeff Bland, says the four 'R's
> remove(allergens), rest, repair (NAG + glutamine) and replace (probiotics)yes that sounds like what I was thinking..I was doing the probiotics with yoghurt sometimes
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> For liver I started off with Bland's ultri clear, but then went on to support individual parts of the liver - glutathione, msm for sulphation and methionine, b12, folate and betaine for methylation. Did try a liver flush with a cup of olive oil and lemon juice but was so ill for several months!
gee I thought that was the gallbladder flush(olive oil and lemon juice)...are they the same!
I'm not going to try that one after your feedback...>
> It's only recently I've worked on the immune system and found when I did, my liver improved as autoimmunity undermines the liver pathways and gut integrity. Used an immune formula called RM10 for a while which helps my liver, but it can overdrive my immune system if i take it for too long!that product looks intersting. What do you mean by overdrive?..like develop autoimmunine problems?
I used to come down with anything and have learnt to move if I can if anyone is around with sniffles(yeah neurotic<g>) as it would crash me for weeks..but since this winter..touch wood...I'm resistant to everything so far!..but then my antibody levels did shoot high too...Thanks Ray,
Jan
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