Posted by Larry Hoover on December 13, 2003, at 8:54:31
In reply to Lar, Re: toxins/liver cleanse, posted by McPac on December 12, 2003, at 23:04:19
> "The Quackometer ™ is a quacking, dude. Sorry about the dudette error, by the way."
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> >>>>>>>>>>> Lar, I'm only a woman come Saturday nights! The other 6 days of the week I wear my customary drab male attire! lol.Too much information, dude. ;-)
> "You don't accumulate stuff in your body, with the exception of heavy metals. I don't believe that any perceived health benefits of detoxing/liver cleansing/whatever are due to toxins or cleansing thereof. If you feel better after doing so, fine and dandy, but it wasn't ever about toxins, IMHO."
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> Lar, question about antibiotics (is this quackery??)--- many of the natural doctors say that taking antibiotics kills the "good" intestinal flora along with the "bad" flora, which then leaves the person with a greater risk of developing other health problems since conditions are then 'ripe' for nasty health problems to promulgate (like Candida, Leaky Gut Syndrome, etc)....Yes, that happens, and quite often, IMHO.
> many people then will be VERY reluctant to use antibiotics...
They shouldn't be reluctant to use antibiotics, they should be reluctant to misuse them. They have a place in medical care, but ought not to be prescribed and used willy-nilly, for the microbiological equivalent of a hang-nail.
> should people be VERY leery of using antibiotics and is this concern over killing of "good" flora legitamate? Oh, lastly do you believe in the Leaky Gut Syndrome theory? Later Hoover!!!
Absolutely, I believe that disruptions in the species and population of intestinal critters leads to adverse health effects....and I believe leaky gut is a real problem....fixing it is harder than identifying the problem.... probiotics help, but don't help everybody, and I don't quite understand why.
This was just published this week, but it's a poor translation from the original Russian:
Eksp Klin Gastroenterol. 2003;(4):59-67, 115.[In Process Citation]
[Article in Russian]
[No authors listed]
Central Scientific Research Institute of Gastroenterology, Moscow.
This research is a continuation of the series of studies of the parietal microbiota of the bowel tissue samplings by the gas chromatography and mass spectrometry (GCMS) method [G.A. Ossipov et al.//Journal of the Society of Russian Gastroenterologists, 2001, 1:54-69]. The purpose was to study a number of new microorganisms in view of new data on the composition of their fatty acids (FA) and aldehydes; to confirm the presence of a number of bacteria, fungi and aerobic actinomycetes revealed earlier by FA markers in the composition of the bowel parietal microbiota by their isolation in a pure culture; to amend the estimation of the clinical value of changes in the composition of the human bowel parietal microflora in case of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) and antibiotics-associated diarrhea (AAD). We examined 31 patients with IBS with predominating diarrhea, 18 patients with AAD and 3 volunteers (a control group). We studied the blood samples, tissue samplings of the mucous coat of the jejunum, ileum and colon and composition of healthy people's feces. The GCMS method was applied. Morphology of defined strains was controlled by methods of light and scanning electron microscopy. We found a substantial portion of eubacteria among the bowel microorganisms and specific changes of their species in case of IBS and AAD. Taking into account their physiological and biochemical activity, when regulating their concentration one can expect at least the same effect as when regulating the number of bifidobacteria and lactobacilli in treatment of intestinal pathologies and other diseases related to bowel dysbacteriosis. The analysis of the feces microbiota using the GCMS method by FA of parietal microorganisms provides reliable data on their number both in feces and in tissue samplings. We found a substantial portion of eubacteria among other bowel microorganisms (27% in the jejunum and 16% in the colon) and specific changes of their species in case of IBS and AAD. The concentration of streptomycetes, rhodococci and other members of the Actinomycetales order becomes dozens times more and/or reduces in pathological states. The tenfold concentration of markers of lactobacilli and bifidobacteria in some diseases stimulates the differentiated application of widespread probiotics based on these bacteria.
poster:Larry Hoover
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