Posted by Lou Pilder on April 7, 2014, at 8:53:23
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Willful-lehykofphyr, posted by Willful on April 7, 2014, at 1:13:40
> A I believe as a matter of fact, that the statements you allude to,do not pose a threat to Jews. I state this based on the laws of logic, and my observations. Statements made in the past that no one pays any attention to, and that are completely forgotten, and that have evoked no further interest, remark, or note, do not pose a threat to anyone. If they remain forgotten, and without connection to the present, they are as if they never were.
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> I have the authority to observe this and to draw the obvious conclusions, because I am capable of reason, of observing and drawing logical conclusions, and of applying common sense.
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> B I cannot respond to redactions.
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> C I know for a fact that giving attention to the statements you allude to will give them more power-- for it puts them into a position to be read again, to be considered again, and for some people to argue in their defense again, as members of religious group for whom these statements still remain true.
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> When a dead and buried statement is disinterred, it becomes more powerful because it is again alive.
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> D No one is defending these statements at the moment-. So there are no links to anyone defending the statements.
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> However, because the statements are reawakened, and put into question as the object attacks, people who believe that the statements are true, for religious reasons, may be quite offended-- which may in fact awaken a dislike for those who attack their beliefs.
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> They would not defend them because you, Lou, want them purged, but because it has become a matter debate whether the statements are destructive for the community-- and they may want to relitigate the unacceptability of the statements to a different conclusions from yours--- ie that such statements should be allowed.
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> E Because the statements are only plainly visible because you keep bringing them into sight, you are bringing what you believe to be anti-semitic statements into plain view-- Before you restated them and pointed us back to their pages. they had become invisible. You and you alone are giving them visibility.
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> It is preferable in my view to let them return to invisibility where they had become harmless, instead of insisting that people read them again and again, and think about them again and again.
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You wrote,[...I base this on the laws of logic and my observations...] (the anti-Semitic statements that you are trying to purge, Lou, do not pose a threat to Jews).
If something is logical, that does not mean that it has to be true. For instance, it was logical in a time past that life came from horse manure. After all, people could observe that flies came out of the manure and maggots could be seen wiggling in the manure. So to those ignorant of how the maggots and flies appeared from the horse manure, they thought that their logic and observation was the truth and that life came from horse manure. Louis Pasture showed the ignorance of those that used their logic and observation in disease also. You see, ignorance can distort what others could see as being logical by their observations.
But let us look at the situation here in discussion as to the anti-Semitic statements being wanting to be purged by me here. You see, those statements are here to be seen in the present, for the record here could be analogous to a library where readers could pick out a book even though the book was put on the shelf previously. Readers could find themselves in a search here to the statements that put down Jews and others and see that they are un repudiated by Mr. Hsiung and all of his deputies of record then. That could lead a subset of readers to think that the anti-Semitic statements are reflecting the thinking of Mr. Hsiung and his deputies then because they are standing un repudiated which could mean that Mr. Hsiung and those deputies think that the anti-Semitism in the posts in question are not against the rules here and will be good for this community as a whole and supportive. Supportive of what, I ask.
Now this does have precedent. When racism was made illegal in public schools in the U.S. there were books in some libraries in public schools that were racist as having racist content. There were those that wanted those type of books purged from the school and there were school authorities that wanted those books to remain. Their argument was that they had members of the community that had in their belief system that one race was superior to other races. And since that was their belief, they would defend it by saying that the books remain since they had established there in the past and they could not be removed or their racist thinking would be insulted. They contended that they had a right to have those beliefs, but the law stated that it is fine to believe what you want, but it is not legal to foster or promote or encourage racist beliefs by having those books in a public school library. If the school was a private school, that could be different.
Now here, I have made the offer to Mr. Hsiung to purge the posts by deleting them that are antisemitc in that they could lead one to feel put down when they read it as what in the statement could put down Jews. Then he could repost them after our discussion if it was determined to be within his rules here to post such. We are also in discussion about these posts and he has agreed to post something to those posts and has done so to some already.
I contend that this site is like a library because it has archives and readers can find those posts in question right in the present time and could foster anti-Semitism by the nature that anti-Semitic posts are standing un repudiated and that could mean to a subset of readers that Mr. Hsiung and his deputies have a particular intent to keep those statements visible as being what will be good for this community as a whole because what is not sanctioned is not against the rules as Mr. Hsiung has posted here. The rule is not to post anything that could put down those of other faiths even if one believes it and even if it is a foundation of their religion, for some foundations of faiths can not be posted here as Mr. Hsiung states.
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