Posted by Dr. Bob on November 9, 2010, at 4:21:11
In reply to Re: realistic possibilities » Dr. Bob, posted by alexandra_k on November 8, 2010, at 23:42:45
> Thats classic Bob.
> He can say the most extrordinally...well....to be kind...odd things sometimes....things that seem rather odd, and yes, could cause provocation.
> But they are so off the wall, most people don't really take them seriously in their content.You mean they're not listening to what I'm saying?
> I think ... when the other person seems to not be able/willing to 'hear' what is being said, well than ya, that is frustrating and SAD.
I agree.
> oftimes people don't even understand WHY they are being blocked
> They KNOW what to do, but they CHOOSE not toA or B? Posters have the power to ask if they don't understand why.
> Yes, it is self destructive, but they are doing it in their desperation to TRY and effect change and to warn others
1. There are ways to warn others that aren't self-destructive.
2. When 1 out of every 2500 posts results in a block
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/947061.html
I don't know how vulnerable others feel.
> Bob, you left a scar on my leg as surely as if you wielded the knife yourself. Maybe the SI is an innapropriate thing, but this is a mental health site and many people with MH issues have poor ways of coping. Thats why we go to T, to learn better ones. It was DIRECTLY due to my response to your overkill and very surprizing actions. You need to take responsibility for your actions cuz they DO HURT people.
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> muffledI take responsibility for my actions. I kept you from posting. I didn't leave that scar. You need to take responsibility for your actions.
> whether you choose to love or not love seems a lot like whether you roll a 1 or a 5 on a dice. AKA: random. arbitrary. unpredictable.
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> alexandra_kMe being random/arbitrary/unpredictable = posters being powerless.
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> You seem fond of characterizing us (or hypothetical posters) as characterizing you as 'evil' or a 'persecutor'. I think that in doing so you give yourself license to write off our views or criticisms as pathological or the result of pathology / immature thinking rather than the result of mature thinking.
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> alexandra_kFair enough. I can also imagine a hypothetical poster Y:
Y sees me as misguided and themselves as a martyr.
I have the power to block people. Y has the power to get themselves blocked. Y uses that power, repeatedly. It's self-destructive, but calls attention to my misguidedness. What brings Y back after even a very long block? Their devotion to their cause.
There's more than one way, however, to be a martyr.
> > Mahatma Gandhi outlined several rules for civil resisters (or satyagrahi) in the time when he was leading India in the struggle for Independence from the British Empire. For instance, they were to express no anger, never retaliate, submit to the opponent's orders and assaults, submit to arrest by the authorities, surrender personal property when confiscated by the authorities but refuse to surrender property held in trust, refrain from swearing and insults (which are contrary to ahimsa), refrain from saluting the Union flag, and protect officials from insults and assaults even at the risk of the resister's own life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience#Theories_and_techniques
That, of course, is *civil* disobedience. These days, we hear more about uncivil martyrs. Maybe the unrest here can help us empathize with them.
Bob
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